Home Runs by the Numbers
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If the pci and swing timing are right you have to expect that. What’s your era online?
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i would have to check but I do not think I give up that many home runs I do give up a lot of hits. I will also quit a game if I am down by 3 or more and am not hitting well enough to come back and win. Most my games are low scoring. I am not at the HOF level in RS. I enjoy pitching in this years game. I love that Honeywell JR topps now card. It out performs diamond players I have. I have him leveled up to 3 or 4. It will be awhile before he is out of my Rotation. Pedro Martinez and Sixto are not good at all for me, Pedro 79 RP is better than his 42 card. Gallegos is also bad for me. Houston street blew a game for me yesterday. i won that game extras or the bottom of the 9th. Miller and Plesac have been good. Rob Dibble is awesome. My starting 5 is Fernando. Bauer, Honeywell JR, Maddux and Nola that is the one I will switch out.
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Online ERA is 4.67 over 189 innings.
It's amazing going from World Series level in MLB 17, to being13-15 a short 4 years later.
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@squid_adams_psn said in Home Runs by the Numbers:
Online ERA is 4.67 over 189 innings.
It's amazing going from World Series level in MLB 17, to being13-15 a short 4 years later.
the game has changed since 17. 17 was the year just late was king, really wasn't that great of skillful gameplay although 17 was by far my favorite, the game has changed.
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Dude A LOT has changed since '17. Not being rude but its not even comparable. It takes me like 2 seasons before I'll even play a Ranked game because its so differwnt every year. Keep grinding man. If you could make WS in '17, you will be fine in '21
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I understand things change in 4 years, but ultimately it's the same game. Same sport, same mechanics. Sure things like check swing have been tweaked a lot, but the wheel wasn't reinvented here. I can understand being marginally worse, but it's been a complete 180.
Remember, if you keep apologizing for the game or excusing its flaws, we'll never see the full potential of what the series could be. There's 2 HUGE gameplay issues, that if addressed, would take this game from a 4 out of 10 to an 8 out of 10. Just today, my first game I gave up 5 or 6 home runs in 7 innings. One of those home runs, his hitting cursor wasn't anywhere near the ball. Some of those pitches were placed perfectly high and inside...great for jamming hitters. Some of the pitches, my timing was slightly early or slightly late and instead of the pitch being low and away, it ended up right down the middle. User input when pitching has to matter. Where the pitch ends up cannot be completely random unless my timing is really off. I don't expect it to land precisely where I commanded it, but going somewhere completely different because I was a fraction late? Hitting balance is already completely screwed, I can't have the game giving my opponent any more favors.
The fact is none of the major sports franchises have competition. SDS, EA and 2K all believe us to be idiots and honestly...so far they're right. As long as they're releasing highly ranked cards of players you like, you're willing to tolerate any BS. Maybe a good idea would be to have an Arcade Diamond Dynasty and a Simulation Diamond Dynasty for anyone who doesn't want 6+ home runs a game.
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@squid_adams_psn said in Home Runs by the Numbers:
This is the poison in the veins of MLB the Show 21. Pitching input not being respected killed MLB 19 and volume of home runs will kill this year's game. Maybe people enjoy an unrealistic arcade-like experience, but surely I can't be alone in this?
Here's my pitchers stats so far (hits allowed vs home runs allowed)
Pedro Martinez 91 overall...26 hits, 9 of which were homers.
Max Scherzer 89 overall...46 hits, 12 of which were homers.
Joe Musgrove 88 overall...21 hits, 2 of which were homers.
Carlos Rodon 88 overall...9 hits, 1 of which was a homer.
Brent Honeywell Jr. 83 overall...9 hits, 2 of which were homers.
Nathan Eovaldi 86 overall...13 hits, 6 of which were homers.
Mike Clevinger 83 overall...13 hits, 3 of which were homers.
Giovanny Gallegos 81 overall...4 hits, 2 of which were homers.
Andrew Miller 80 overall...2 hits, 1 of which was a homer.
Aroldis Chapman 80 overall...19 hits, 2 of which were homers.
Dan Plesac 81 overall...12 hits, 5 of which were homers.
Darren O'Day 76 overall...5 hits, 1 of which was a homer.
Aaron Bummer 76 overall...7 hits, 3 of which were homers.
Huston Street 87 overall...7 hits, 2 of which were homers.
Raisel Iglesias 78 overall...6 hits, 2 of which were homers.These weren't all my pitchers, but 15 that I've used most. While it wasn't nearly as bad as I was thinking...it still equates to roughly 28% of hits resulting in homers. According to a google search, 15.9% of hits are home runs. Admittedly that's higher than I thought, but still means home runs in this game are nearly twice as frequent as real life.
Long story short, the game needs to fix this ASAP. I'm not ready to make MLB 21 a single player only experience.
It’s a video game dude, and the game rewards for excellent pci placement/timing....so what else do you expect? I bet you’re the type of guy that will write another post complaining how your “perfect/percect” swings aren’t home runs
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I'm the type of dude that has standards for things he spends time and money on. Do you go to a restaurant, order a wagyu burger only to get impossible meat and go "They're humans who flip burgers for a living, dude...what else do you expect?" and start eating it? Or do you inform the staff and get the order done correctly?
When I play pickup basketball, I'm there to exercise and play. I'm not there to fight with anyone. When I finally get some free time and have an opportunity to relax and play a baseball game...I don't want arcady nonsense. If I want that, I'll just get my N64 out and play Ken Griffey Jr. Slugfest. I'm okay with losing, but not when the game is over by the 3rd inning because I'm down 7-0 due to 5 home runs.
To a point I made on another post. If you're advertising yourself to be a realistic, simulation baseball game, I want to see that consistently across the board. Pitching is supposedly being held accountable and you can't just put pitches EXACTLY where you want, so why isn't hitting just as "realistic"? I'm sure I'm not alone here, but I absolutely have not been rewarded for excellent pci placement/timing.
MLB the Show is like the state of California. The state of California is BEAUTIFUL with so much to do and see...but then the people who live here really do a good job ruining what could be such a wonderful place. Or another analogy...MLB the Show is the prettiest girl you've ever seen, but her teeth are jacked up. If only she got braces, she'd be perfect. It's okay...players who like this game or give this game a pass or criticize the game can all co-exist. It's the people who criticize it that are going to make it better at the end of the day. Home run frequency is the squeaky wheel that needs the grease and we have to call out that elephant in the room before we have another lost year waiting for MLB the Show to reclaim it's former greatness.
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‘17 wasn’t that great of a game. Take away the bunt cheese and ‘16 was far superior.
400000 digital hats says ‘18 was the low water mark.
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Wish they would add that juice to offline because as is showdown is a clown show. If they don’t fix that soon or spit out conquests a lot fast the game will end up as a graveyard again. I play online, a lot of people don’t. But I do prefer a casual offline experience more times than not. I’m batting .335 online, 26-5 ranked 750 and can’t beat showdown anymore because I just slam the ball for outs. Pretty bad.
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The HRs are pretty out of control but it does make the game fun. If your in it for the pitching this game is extremely frustrating. I’d 100% agree there is WAY to many HRs in this game especially from average power guys. Honestly under 70 power I think you should need to power swing to hit a HR like 95% of the time.
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18 seems to be the turning point where the game really started going downhill. 17 had a good handful of flaws, but it never got to the point of feeling unplayable like 19 or 21.
Right now, I'll settle for toning down home runs by a lot...but If I'm the head of SDS there would be a few things I'd do.
-Stat caps stay at 100 instead of 125 like introduced in 2018
-Make diamonds mean something again. It was a huge deal when I finally got 2 or 3 diamonds on my team in 17...but now everyone gets the same plethora of diamond cards, so I just end up playing largely the same team, just a different player.
-Everyone has to hit (or pitch) the same way. Unless you use strike zone view, you're at a large disadvantage.Those 3 things could go a LONG way. Diamond Dynasty was by far the best Super Team mode. Madden Ultimate Team and 2K MyTeam are very arcady. but sadly looks like Diamond Dynasty has followed suit. Honestly the best solution for me at this point would be to stop playing sports games in general, but I really don't want to have to do that, since I've always loved this genre.
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The current state of Major League Baseball is home run or bust....so i still don’t see what you are complaining about? If anything it’s even more realistic
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Interesting. Clearly you're benefitting from this issue haha. You're probably also the guy that lobbies for more half court shots going in when playing NBA 2k.
I'll accept that baseball on the whole has evolved from when I played, but still doesn't explain why home runs are 2x as frequent in the game.
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@squid_adams_psn said in Home Runs by the Numbers:
This is the poison in the veins of MLB the Show 21. Pitching input not being respected killed MLB 19 and volume of home runs will kill this year's game. Maybe people enjoy an unrealistic arcade-like experience, but surely I can't be alone in this?
Here's my pitchers stats so far (hits allowed vs home runs allowed)
Pedro Martinez 91 overall...26 hits, 9 of which were homers.
Max Scherzer 89 overall...46 hits, 12 of which were homers.
Joe Musgrove 88 overall...21 hits, 2 of which were homers.
Carlos Rodon 88 overall...9 hits, 1 of which was a homer.
Brent Honeywell Jr. 83 overall...9 hits, 2 of which were homers.
Nathan Eovaldi 86 overall...13 hits, 6 of which were homers.
Mike Clevinger 83 overall...13 hits, 3 of which were homers.
Giovanny Gallegos 81 overall...4 hits, 2 of which were homers.
Andrew Miller 80 overall...2 hits, 1 of which was a homer.
Aroldis Chapman 80 overall...19 hits, 2 of which were homers.
Dan Plesac 81 overall...12 hits, 5 of which were homers.
Darren O'Day 76 overall...5 hits, 1 of which was a homer.
Aaron Bummer 76 overall...7 hits, 3 of which were homers.
Huston Street 87 overall...7 hits, 2 of which were homers.
Raisel Iglesias 78 overall...6 hits, 2 of which were homers.These weren't all my pitchers, but 15 that I've used most. While it wasn't nearly as bad as I was thinking...it still equates to roughly 28% of hits resulting in homers. According to a google search, 15.9% of hits are home runs. Admittedly that's higher than I thought, but still means home runs in this game are nearly twice as frequent as real life.
Long story short, the game needs to fix this ASAP. I'm not ready to make MLB 21 a single player only experience.
It's also a video game with everyone running out guys with 80+ power at every position my guy. If someone squares up a good hit its a going to be a homerun. Its a competitive video game where user input is rewarded and should be rewarded... if you want super realistic stats your playing the wrong mode. Franchise on simulation is where you are going to find a more realistic experience.
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@squid_adams_psn said in Home Runs by the Numbers:
Or another analogy...MLB the Show is the prettiest girl you've ever seen, but her teeth are jacked up. If only she got braces, she'd be perfect.
Man, I love a good analogy and you used 3 of them. The only problem is that if you keep badgering her about needing braces, she’ll probably bang Joe Random instead. You’d probably be better off with her consistent, reliable friend - Sally Simulation.
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@squid_adams_psn said in Home Runs by the Numbers:
This is the poison in the veins of MLB the Show 21. Pitching input not being respected killed MLB 19 and volume of home runs will kill this year's game. Maybe people enjoy an unrealistic arcade-like experience, but surely I can't be alone in this?
Here's my pitchers stats so far (hits allowed vs home runs allowed)
Pedro Martinez 91 overall...26 hits, 9 of which were homers.
Max Scherzer 89 overall...46 hits, 12 of which were homers.
Joe Musgrove 88 overall...21 hits, 2 of which were homers.
Carlos Rodon 88 overall...9 hits, 1 of which was a homer.
Brent Honeywell Jr. 83 overall...9 hits, 2 of which were homers.
Nathan Eovaldi 86 overall...13 hits, 6 of which were homers.
Mike Clevinger 83 overall...13 hits, 3 of which were homers.
Giovanny Gallegos 81 overall...4 hits, 2 of which were homers.
Andrew Miller 80 overall...2 hits, 1 of which was a homer.
Aroldis Chapman 80 overall...19 hits, 2 of which were homers.
Dan Plesac 81 overall...12 hits, 5 of which were homers.
Darren O'Day 76 overall...5 hits, 1 of which was a homer.
Aaron Bummer 76 overall...7 hits, 3 of which were homers.
Huston Street 87 overall...7 hits, 2 of which were homers.
Raisel Iglesias 78 overall...6 hits, 2 of which were homers.These weren't all my pitchers, but 15 that I've used most. While it wasn't nearly as bad as I was thinking...it still equates to roughly 28% of hits resulting in homers. According to a google search, 15.9% of hits are home runs. Admittedly that's higher than I thought, but still means home runs in this game are nearly twice as frequent as real life.
Long story short, the game needs to fix this ASAP. I'm not ready to make MLB 21 a single player only experience.
Okay and out of that 15.9 percent of hits that are home runs, how many of those teams are made up of cards from a video game that have each of the players have at least 80 power? Sorry the teams you are facing have better lineups than the actual Detroit Tigers, you’re bound to give up a few more home runs... -
You know it is a video game right? And high and in pitches are exactly what everyone spams so no surprise if it gets hit out every now and then. Yeah and someone made a good point there, take a 20 game span of an all star caliber team and see what percentage of hits are home runs. Most people already have all diamond teams with 80+ power with most position players. And we dont many high diamond pitchers in the game yet to counter that
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@namtrah22_psn said in Home Runs by the Numbers:
@squid_adams_psn said in Home Runs by the Numbers:
This is the poison in the veins of MLB the Show 21. Pitching input not being respected killed MLB 19 and volume of home runs will kill this year's game. Maybe people enjoy an unrealistic arcade-like experience, but surely I can't be alone in this?
Here's my pitchers stats so far (hits allowed vs home runs allowed)
Pedro Martinez 91 overall...26 hits, 9 of which were homers.
Max Scherzer 89 overall...46 hits, 12 of which were homers.
Joe Musgrove 88 overall...21 hits, 2 of which were homers.
Carlos Rodon 88 overall...9 hits, 1 of which was a homer.
Brent Honeywell Jr. 83 overall...9 hits, 2 of which were homers.
Nathan Eovaldi 86 overall...13 hits, 6 of which were homers.
Mike Clevinger 83 overall...13 hits, 3 of which were homers.
Giovanny Gallegos 81 overall...4 hits, 2 of which were homers.
Andrew Miller 80 overall...2 hits, 1 of which was a homer.
Aroldis Chapman 80 overall...19 hits, 2 of which were homers.
Dan Plesac 81 overall...12 hits, 5 of which were homers.
Darren O'Day 76 overall...5 hits, 1 of which was a homer.
Aaron Bummer 76 overall...7 hits, 3 of which were homers.
Huston Street 87 overall...7 hits, 2 of which were homers.
Raisel Iglesias 78 overall...6 hits, 2 of which were homers.These weren't all my pitchers, but 15 that I've used most. While it wasn't nearly as bad as I was thinking...it still equates to roughly 28% of hits resulting in homers. According to a google search, 15.9% of hits are home runs. Admittedly that's higher than I thought, but still means home runs in this game are nearly twice as frequent as real life.
Long story short, the game needs to fix this ASAP. I'm not ready to make MLB 21 a single player only experience.
It's also a video game with everyone running out guys with 80+ power at every position my guy. If someone squares up a good hit its a going to be a homerun. Its a competitive video game where user input is rewarded and should be rewarded... if you want super realistic stats your playing the wrong mode. Franchise on simulation is where you are going to find a more realistic experience.
I do understand the power aspect of it, but rolling out a highly rated pitcher should even things out. Yet, I'm getting taken deep whether it's a common, silver or diamond pitcher. A bigger fire needs a bigger hose, but this fire can't be put out. I can bring in my very best reliever, fully rested and it won't matter which I find to be an issue. I'll try stacking out my lineup with player's whose power is above 80 and report back.
And I'd say it's debatable that user input is rewarded. It's completely random or nonexistent from what I can tell. I've seen perfect swings be met with ground outs and missing the ball with your cursor completely result in a homer. And pitching, apparently you have to have perfect timing or else the ball will just go anywhere. I get a "just late" plenty and will see my pitch land somewhere totally different, not even in the general area I commanded.
Maybe the problem is Diamond Dynasty should be advertised as an arcade experience meant to create high scoring games. If a dog meows, I'm confused. If a game has a realistic simulation shell and plays like an arcade game, I'm confused. They're straddling a line, not committing one way or another which is always a recipe for failure. Retro Mode was supposed to be the arcade experience.
Thanks for throwing an analogy out there to chew on, @writetoshawn_PSN . As a customer it's hard to see a restaurant serving up 9 vegan burgers and only 1 ground beef burger, especially when they don't allow substitutions. There's so many burgers myself and others would love to enjoy, but you're only catering to their vegan audience. If that's what you want to serve...fine, but you should make it known you're a vegan restaurant. Basically, I like collecting cards and building a team from scratch, I don't want to be forced to stick to other modes to avoid these problems.
@AsianJim95_PSN I hear ya, see my earlier point. Better pitchers should equalize better hitters. Maybe I'll stack my team with pitchers who have amazing HR/9 ratings, but something tells me this game is "HR>Everything"
@CubanDoctor21 You know video games are supposed to be fun, right? And I don't think I mentioned spamming high and in pitches? Maybe I did at first, but when I kept getting burnt I learned quickly. Now it appears the only lesson is the balance in this game is broken. It very well could be the sheer amount of good hitters as opposed to good pitchers, but then that says it all. NBA 2K wants their card mode to be a 3 point heavy mess, maybe SDS wants a home run heavy mess?
So based on the pushback I'm getting here, either most of you are benefitting from this game flaw or you like playing games that come down to who hits more home runs?
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I just looked at my stats in Ranked Seasons alone and I've only given up 6 HR's on 40 some hits. Dare I say... pitch better? Or practice using Pinpoint pitching to get the best results if you want your input to matter more than on meter or analog. The caliber pitchers that are in the game right now aren't quite caught up to the caliber hitters in the game. There are maybe 3-5 pitchers right now that I would say are dominate and that's if I'm being generous. The last thing SDS needs to do is to start messing with hitting this is the best hitting and pitching has been in a few years. Everyone is trotting out Fantasy teams of course numbers aren't going to compare to real life stats. For your data you gathered you are only taking yourself into consideration with the 25% HR's for every hit.
