Rob Manfred
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@erinssilence_xbl said in Rob Manfred:
Geez listen to you guys whine and complain about shifts when with technology the way it is today every professional sport has become a science. Data is freaking everywhere and when the overall run value of a home run is 1.397 versus a single being 0.475 of course more guys are going to swing for the fence and teams want that. This is why the stolen base is more of a lost art too because the overall run value of a SB is 0.175 but being caught stealing is -0.467. Plus if you're say David Ortiz and a team shifts to the extreme pull shift you're not going to want to bunt because:
- They pay you to produce runs not just get on base
- The overall run value is almost 1 full run less by getting a single
- Now you're on first base clogging up the bases cuz you don't have that much speed and can't take an extra base on a single.
It bogs everything down into a station to station game where the run value you gain is minimal to the risk of the run value you lose hitting into a double play. For instance: Ortiz leads off and decides to bunt against the shift for an easy single. Hooray he's on first and the run expectancy goes from 0.555 to 0.953. But then the guy after him hits into a double play and now we see that run expectancy drop from 0.953 to 0.117. Where as had Big Papi just swung for the fence and struck out thr original scenario goes from 0.555 to 0.297 run expectancy. So there is way less risk involved in going big with those guys.
That being said, teams need on base guys like a David Fletcher simply because when someone can get on base consistently at a high level that will only continue to multiply the potential gains for the big hitters. While the run expectancy based off game states doesn't really change it does get altered based off the hitter. People need to stop whining about the way baseball was played in the past and saying oh the strategy is gone when it's not. It's simply shifted (no pun inteded) to strategies that are more pre-determined prior to that guy stepping in the box. There is so much more that goes into every pitch now from spin rates to launch angles and exit velocity to shifts that game is way more evolved and advanced than it was before. So stop crying for your old school play style. It's like whining and saying a Commodore 64 is a superior system to a PS5 or Xbox Series S/X because of its simplicity.
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@untchable704_psn said in Rob Manfred:
I wonder if they even discussed how the rule would affect you playing a video game. I bet they didn’t. Selfish bastards.
That is the best thing I have read all day, haha.
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@sportpimpin_xbl said in Rob Manfred:
Not to mention he's a dirt bag that just cost a bunch of families alot of money at the most desperate of times by moving the all star game
Agree 100%!!
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@kylejaros88_psn said in Rob Manfred:
@sportpimpin_xbl said in Rob Manfred:
Not to mention he's a dirt bag that just cost a bunch of families alot of money at the most desperate of times by moving the all star game
either that or players were going to boycott and there wasnt going to be an all star game...
With the lack of African American players, I don't think a boycott would be happening. Same reason NHL wouldn't boycott if Atlanta still had a hockey team.
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Major league hitters should able to hit to beat the shift. If you can’t do that then you don’t belong in the big show. END OF DISCUSSION.
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Tony Gwynn, Ozzie Smith, Willie McGee, Tom Herr, Robin Yount, Paul Molitor, Willie Randolph, Terry Pendleton, Tim Raines. All guys that could beat the shift and this is off the top of my head in 5 minutes.
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@mjfc_363_psn said in Rob Manfred:
Tony Gwynn, Ozzie Smith, Willie McGee, Tom Herr, Robin Yount, Paul Molitor, Willie Randolph, Terry Pendleton, Tim Raines. All guys that could beat the shift and this is off the top of my head in 5 minutes.
Problem is that most of the time now guys like that almost never get a shot. Nick Madrigal is a unicorn in MLB now whereas 25 years ago he woulda fit right in
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@matt_42187_psn said in Rob Manfred:
@kylejaros88_psn said in Rob Manfred:
@sportpimpin_xbl said in Rob Manfred:
Not to mention he's a dirt bag that just cost a bunch of families alot of money at the most desperate of times by moving the all star game
either that or players were going to boycott and there wasnt going to be an all star game...
With the lack of African American players, I don't think a boycott would be happening. Same reason NHL wouldn't boycott if Atlanta still had a hockey team.
theres enough and their team mates would support them
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@sportpimpin_xbl said in Rob Manfred:
Not to mention he's a dirt bag that just cost a bunch of families alot of money at the most desperate of times by moving the all star game
He is an excellent knee bender!
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@kylejaros88_psn said in Rob Manfred:
@matt_42187_psn said in Rob Manfred:
@kylejaros88_psn said in Rob Manfred:
@sportpimpin_xbl said in Rob Manfred:
Not to mention he's a dirt bag that just cost a bunch of families alot of money at the most desperate of times by moving the all star game
either that or players were going to boycott and there wasnt going to be an all star game...
With the lack of African American players, I don't think a boycott would be happening. Same reason NHL wouldn't boycott if Atlanta still had a hockey team.
theres enough and their team mates would support them
Wonder why they'd boycott that one game and not the other 81 played in Atlanta ??
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@kylejaros88_psn said in Rob Manfred:
@matt_42187_psn said in Rob Manfred:
@kylejaros88_psn said in Rob Manfred:
@sportpimpin_xbl said in Rob Manfred:
Not to mention he's a dirt bag that just cost a bunch of families alot of money at the most desperate of times by moving the all star game
either that or players were going to boycott and there wasnt going to be an all star game...
With the lack of African American players, I don't think a boycott would be happening. Same reason NHL wouldn't boycott if Atlanta still had a hockey team.
theres enough and their team mates would support them
There’s not enough and MLB has stated that in the past. But, if they supported them enough, you would have seen people more outspoken about the issues. I think only a handful of teams even kneeled for a game last year.
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im saying theres enough for them to boycott and for their teammates to then support them that it would affect the all star game if it was not moved
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@savagesteve74 said in Rob Manfred:
Double header needs to go, as well as relief limit. I don’t mind the extra innings rule, speeds it up. No one enjoyed 14+ inning games, ruined the teams for weeks.
The real fix needs to be the defensive shifts, data doesn’t lie, it’s killing baseball. BABIP is in serious decline, fans like action, shifts offer no action. (I said this in a different post earlier)
I don't really like the extra innings rule. I always thought it was cool that a baseball game could potentially go on forever, one of the sport's many quirks. Marathon games are rare, but when they do happen, it's awesome (the July 4 1985 game between the Braves and the Mets went on for 19 innings and ended just before 4:00 AM!).
The doubleheader rule needs to end too, the 7-inning one. If MadBum had pitched a full 9-inning game, it would've been an authentic no-hitter, but since it was only 7 innings, it doesn't count. I also think that in the 7th inning onward, that's where awesome rallies can happen. That's when the comebacks of the century are made.
And I agree wholeheartedly on the shifting stuff. I hate how rampant shifting has become—I know it's a part of baseball and fielding strategy, but it's gotten ridiculous at this point. There ought to be limits as to how far fielders can shift, and what kinds of shifts are allowed.
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@ladyswampfox_xbl said in Rob Manfred:
@savagesteve74 said in Rob Manfred:
Double header needs to go, as well as relief limit. I don’t mind the extra innings rule, speeds it up. No one enjoyed 14+ inning games, ruined the teams for weeks.
The real fix needs to be the defensive shifts, data doesn’t lie, it’s killing baseball. BABIP is in serious decline, fans like action, shifts offer no action. (I said this in a different post earlier)
I don't really like the extra innings rule. I always thought it was cool that a baseball game could potentially go on forever, one of the sport's many quirks. Marathon games are rare, but when they do happen, it's awesome (the July 4 1985 game between the Braves and the Mets went on for 19 innings and ended just before 4:00 AM!).
The doubleheader rule needs to end too, the 7-inning one. If MadBum had pitched a full 9-inning game, it would've been an authentic no-hitter, but since it was only 7 innings, it doesn't count. I also think that in the 7th inning onward, that's where awesome rallies can happen. That's when the comebacks of the century are made.
And I agree wholeheartedly on the shifting stuff. I hate how rampant shifting has become—I know it's a part of baseball and fielding strategy, but it's gotten ridiculous at this point. There ought to be limits as to how far fielders can shift, and what kinds of shifts are allowed.
What about playing in for the bunt? OFs playing deep or shallow depending on the situation? IF in for game tying run on 3rd?
If a team wants to play with 7 players to the left or right of 2B, that should be allowed. The whole point of positioning fielders is to get outs. The shift has been around for a long time. They shifted against Ted Williams.
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