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@Maverick31762 said in top guys cant lose?:
Seraf one thing that legit amazes me is the concept that someone deserves to win. In my entire sporting life there has been one fact NOBODY “deserves” to win. Deserve implies some sort of morality to winning and losing.
Imo the person or team that “deserves” to win is the person or team who actually won.
The only stat that really matters is W. Every other stat is derivative and only serves to give insight in how to increase the chances of an increase in the W stat.
I respectfully disagree.
In almost all sporting activities luck either plays no role at all or is too insignificant to determine the winner. We had a discussion regarding this in the past and no, Chael Sonnen didn't get unlucky when he lost to Anderson Silva. Nor did the soviet hockey team get unlucky vs. the US hockey team in miracle on the ice.
In baseball, luck can play a factor, to an extent - provided that the teams perform to such a similar level throughout the game to leave an opening for luck to factor in.
This iteration of MLB the show is however much much worse than that. The post game PCI analysis does show objectively which player performed better during their at-bats and the difference can be monumental.
In terms of how this game operates, I do consider it absolutely valid to at times state that the losing player factually and objectively deserved to win, much like my last RS opponent should have.
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I was NOT talking about luck.
But since you brought it up if you acknowledge it’s existence then how are you saying it has no impact.
But anyway, my point, which you may just disagree with, is that deserves has no place in sports. It’s the equivalent of coulda, shoulda, woulda. Or I almost won. The bottom line is figuring out how to outscore your opponent NOT squaring up more
Anyway the beauty of baseball for me is that it doesn’t have as much a direct cause and effect outcome compared to other sports. Stuff happens.
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@Maverick31762 said in top guys cant lose?:
deserves has no place in sports. It’s the equivalent of coulda, shoulda, woulda. Or I almost won. The bottom line is figuring out how to outscore your opponent NOT squaring up more
Anyway the beauty of baseball for me is that it doesn’t have as much a direct cause and effect outcome compared to other sports. Stuff happens.This is why I made the distinction.
The word "deserve" has generally no place in sports - however, it has a place when it comes to MLB the Show, and particularly MLB the show 19.
Outscoring = squaring up more - you will not overcome overabundant lineouts by attempting to bloop your way on base. That simply will not work (and if it did, it would be more than sad).
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@SefarR said in top guys cant lose?:
@UnderhandCloud14 said in top guys cant lose?:
I beat YourFriendKyle yesterday. Watch his stream, he completely ignored that I was taking pitches just off the plate and having good ab's and complained that he wasn't being rewarded for good input
It is absolutely possible that you deserved to win. However, it is also possible that you won as a consequence of him not being rewarded.
This is why I habitually check the PCI analysis post game and look at the hit-chances of both players' hits and outs and check how many fouled balls each player had and where. This way you can analyse the end-result of the game in a more objective manner.
I for instance won my last RS game against a relatively highly rated player, but will be the first to admit that, from an objective stand-point, I should not have won.
I think the post game analysis isnt 100% accurate , I also know that what’s on my screen is not always on OP’s . The swing feedback , hot zones, etc. I don’t trust any of it.
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@Therealest_JB said in top guys cant lose?:
@SefarR said in top guys cant lose?:
@UnderhandCloud14 said in top guys cant lose?:
I beat YourFriendKyle yesterday. Watch his stream, he completely ignored that I was taking pitches just off the plate and having good ab's and complained that he wasn't being rewarded for good input
It is absolutely possible that you deserved to win. However, it is also possible that you won as a consequence of him not being rewarded.
This is why I habitually check the PCI analysis post game and look at the hit-chances of both players' hits and outs and check how many fouled balls each player had and where. This way you can analyse the end-result of the game in a more objective manner.
I for instance won my last RS game against a relatively highly rated player, but will be the first to admit that, from an objective stand-point, I should not have won.
I think the post game analysis isnt 100% accurate , I also know that what’s on my screen is not always on OP’s . The swing feedback , hot zones, etc. I don’t trust any of it.
In my experience it is very accurate. I have checked it numerous times after each input and have not myself seen anything to indicate that it wouldn't be accurate. I'm not saying it can't happen, but I'm saying that it is generally reliable.
I've also heard that you may get a red 15 on something that isn't squared, but I have never seen anything but a good/squared be a 15/N. This is also why I check the combination of the hit chance and the timing.
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@SefarR said in top guys cant lose?:
@Therealest_JB said in top guys cant lose?:
@SefarR said in top guys cant lose?:
@UnderhandCloud14 said in top guys cant lose?:
I beat YourFriendKyle yesterday. Watch his stream, he completely ignored that I was taking pitches just off the plate and having good ab's and complained that he wasn't being rewarded for good input
It is absolutely possible that you deserved to win. However, it is also possible that you won as a consequence of him not being rewarded.
This is why I habitually check the PCI analysis post game and look at the hit-chances of both players' hits and outs and check how many fouled balls each player had and where. This way you can analyse the end-result of the game in a more objective manner.
I for instance won my last RS game against a relatively highly rated player, but will be the first to admit that, from an objective stand-point, I should not have won.
I think the post game analysis isnt 100% accurate , I also know that what’s on my screen is not always on OP’s . The swing feedback , hot zones, etc. I don’t trust any of it.
In my experience it is very accurate. I have checked it numerous times after each input and have not myself seen anything to indicate that it wouldn't be accurate. I'm not saying it can't happen, but I'm saying that it is generally reliable.
I've also heard that you may get a red 15 on something that isn't squared, but I have never seen anything but a good/squared be a 15/N. This is also why I check the combination of the hit chance and the timing.
You can get a just early/ squared up as a 15 too. I don't think I've seen anything else though.
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@MrGamebred said in top guys cant lose?:
@SefarR said in top guys cant lose?:
@Therealest_JB said in top guys cant lose?:
@SefarR said in top guys cant lose?:
@UnderhandCloud14 said in top guys cant lose?:
I beat YourFriendKyle yesterday. Watch his stream, he completely ignored that I was taking pitches just off the plate and having good ab's and complained that he wasn't being rewarded for good input
It is absolutely possible that you deserved to win. However, it is also possible that you won as a consequence of him not being rewarded.
This is why I habitually check the PCI analysis post game and look at the hit-chances of both players' hits and outs and check how many fouled balls each player had and where. This way you can analyse the end-result of the game in a more objective manner.
I for instance won my last RS game against a relatively highly rated player, but will be the first to admit that, from an objective stand-point, I should not have won.
I think the post game analysis isnt 100% accurate , I also know that what’s on my screen is not always on OP’s . The swing feedback , hot zones, etc. I don’t trust any of it.
In my experience it is very accurate. I have checked it numerous times after each input and have not myself seen anything to indicate that it wouldn't be accurate. I'm not saying it can't happen, but I'm saying that it is generally reliable.
I've also heard that you may get a red 15 on something that isn't squared, but I have never seen anything but a good/squared be a 15/N. This is also why I check the combination of the hit chance and the timing.
You can get a just early/ squared up as a 15 too. I don't think I've seen anything else though.
Agreed. I've also seen members say that "good" contact may show up as 15 on the PCI analysis, perhaps even worse contact (although I've never witnessed this).
15 refers to the contact not the timing so you can definitely get anything from 15/VE to 15/VL (these are almost exclusive blue as they tend to result in foul ball[s]. You can even get an orange 15 where you would have entirely missed the ball but where your PCI was placed exactly where the ball landed in the zone.
14 usually refers to "good" contact so a good/good batting input will show up as a 14/N in the PCI analysis.
My point is, you will never have anything but a good/squared be a 15/N where the N refers to the timing.
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@SefarR said in top guys cant lose?:
@MrGamebred said in top guys cant lose?:
@SefarR said in top guys cant lose?:
@Therealest_JB said in top guys cant lose?:
@SefarR said in top guys cant lose?:
@UnderhandCloud14 said in top guys cant lose?:
I beat YourFriendKyle yesterday. Watch his stream, he completely ignored that I was taking pitches just off the plate and having good ab's and complained that he wasn't being rewarded for good input
It is absolutely possible that you deserved to win. However, it is also possible that you won as a consequence of him not being rewarded.
This is why I habitually check the PCI analysis post game and look at the hit-chances of both players' hits and outs and check how many fouled balls each player had and where. This way you can analyse the end-result of the game in a more objective manner.
I for instance won my last RS game against a relatively highly rated player, but will be the first to admit that, from an objective stand-point, I should not have won.
I think the post game analysis isnt 100% accurate , I also know that what’s on my screen is not always on OP’s . The swing feedback , hot zones, etc. I don’t trust any of it.
In my experience it is very accurate. I have checked it numerous times after each input and have not myself seen anything to indicate that it wouldn't be accurate. I'm not saying it can't happen, but I'm saying that it is generally reliable.
I've also heard that you may get a red 15 on something that isn't squared, but I have never seen anything but a good/squared be a 15/N. This is also why I check the combination of the hit chance and the timing.
You can get a just early/ squared up as a 15 too. I don't think I've seen anything else though.
Agreed. I've also seen members say that "good" contact may show up as 15 on the PCI analysis, perhaps even worse contact (although I've never witnessed this).
15 refers to the contact not the timing so you can definitely get anything from 15/VE to 15/VL (these are almost exclusive blue as they tend to result in foul ball[s].
14 usually refers to "good" contact so a good/good batting input will show up as a 14/N in the PCI analysis.
My point is, you will never have anything but a good/squared be a 15/N where the N refers to the timing.
You're right. I missed the N part in the last post. But it's definitely weird, as I've seen a couple good/weak hits go for 13s. But with that, I wouldn't say it's inaccurate either, from what it shows on my screen vs the actual result. I do question the feedback on the opponents, whether or not it reads the same as mine though. Sort of curious about that, if it's been confirmed ever to read differently bc I've seen multiple say so.
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You can get a good/okay 15 if the pci is right on it. I've been having a lot of perfectly squared up pitches that register as good/okay and the batter analysis has it as a 15. I think it's completely separate from the swing feedback in game
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@mitchhammond24 said in top guys cant lose?:
You can get a good/okay 15 if the pci is right on it. I've been having a lot of perfectly squared up pitches that register as good/okay and the batter analysis has it as a 15. I think it's completely separate from the swing feedback in game
That's definitely possible - but even in this instance the PCI analysis would be accurate.
Generally speaking the hit quality indicator at the bottom of the screen corresponds well with the PCI analysis.
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@Therealest_JB said in top guys cant lose?:
@SefarR said in top guys cant lose?:
@UnderhandCloud14 said in top guys cant lose?:
I beat YourFriendKyle yesterday. Watch his stream, he completely ignored that I was taking pitches just off the plate and having good ab's and complained that he wasn't being rewarded for good input
It is absolutely possible that you deserved to win. However, it is also possible that you won as a consequence of him not being rewarded.
This is why I habitually check the PCI analysis post game and look at the hit-chances of both players' hits and outs and check how many fouled balls each player had and where. This way you can analyse the end-result of the game in a more objective manner.
I for instance won my last RS game against a relatively highly rated player, but will be the first to admit that, from an objective stand-point, I should not have won.
I think the post game analysis isnt 100% accurate , I also know that what’s on my screen is not always on OP’s . The swing feedback , hot zones, etc. I don’t trust any of it.
I agree
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@Maverick31762 said in top guys cant lose?:
@Therealest_JB said in top guys cant lose?:
@SefarR said in top guys cant lose?:
@UnderhandCloud14 said in top guys cant lose?:
I beat YourFriendKyle yesterday. Watch his stream, he completely ignored that I was taking pitches just off the plate and having good ab's and complained that he wasn't being rewarded for good input
It is absolutely possible that you deserved to win. However, it is also possible that you won as a consequence of him not being rewarded.
This is why I habitually check the PCI analysis post game and look at the hit-chances of both players' hits and outs and check how many fouled balls each player had and where. This way you can analyse the end-result of the game in a more objective manner.
I for instance won my last RS game against a relatively highly rated player, but will be the first to admit that, from an objective stand-point, I should not have won.
I think the post game analysis isnt 100% accurate , I also know that what’s on my screen is not always on OP’s . The swing feedback , hot zones, etc. I don’t trust any of it.
I agree
. The swing analysis isn’t a good picture of what happensLolol talk about confirmation bias.
Ahwell, believe what you wanna believe.
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For the top offensive players, would you guys struggle a little bit if pitching was more realistic? Not having pitches forced down the middle or actually hitting the target 80% of the time on a perfect release? I see a lot of the top players raking on twitch, because the pitches they crush, is around the middle of the plate.
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@Matt_42187 said in top guys cant lose?:
For the top offensive players, would you guys struggle a little bit if pitching was more realistic? Not having pitches forced down the middle or actually hitting the target 80% of the time on a perfect release? I see a lot of the top players raking on twitch, because the pitches they crush, is around the middle of the plate.
Most top players have great pci placement on balls anywhere in the zone, but they also have great eyes which force people to come into the zone or they just rack up the walks.
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@Matt_42187 said in top guys cant lose?:
For the top offensive players, would you guys struggle a little bit if pitching was more realistic? Not having pitches forced down the middle or actually hitting the target 80% of the time on a perfect release? I see a lot of the top players raking on twitch, because the pitches they crush, is around the middle of the plate.
Tbh I actually feel that I hit pitches on the edges of the zone better because I can just mash the pci to the edge and there's no risk of overcompensation. When I'm feeling good I force people to come into the zone but I actually miss quite a few pitches over the plate because of overcompensation
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@mitchhammond24 said in top guys cant lose?:
@Matt_42187 said in top guys cant lose?:
For the top offensive players, would you guys struggle a little bit if pitching was more realistic? Not having pitches forced down the middle or actually hitting the target 80% of the time on a perfect release? I see a lot of the top players raking on twitch, because the pitches they crush, is around the middle of the plate.
Tbh I actually feel that I hit pitches on the edges of the zone better because I can just mash the pci to the edge and there's no risk of overcompensation. When I'm feeling good I force people to come into the zone but I actually miss quite a few pitches over the plate because of overcompensation
This is very true. This is also why back when pitching was more responsive CB5 was telling people to pitch in between the corners and the middle as you need a lot of control to hit those pitches.
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