So Verlander’s attributes were changed, huh?
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Pretty weak.
I think I proved that Stan Musial should have a higher speed attribute. My guy has more triples than anyone born in the 20th century. The only people with more triples than Stan are guys that played on fields with no fences. Then SDS disrespects him with 47 speed. Not even fast enough to hit a triple in any park but Polo. Lol
People said triples and stolen bases weren’t really about speed, though. Ummm, okay....
Then Mookie steals a few bases in the post season, and he goes from 62 speed to 72 speed for his Finest card (75 after prestige).
Now JV had less than top notch velo and people complained so SDS changed it.
Whack. No consistency.
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@maurice91932 said in So Verlander’s attributes were changed, huh?:
Pretty weak.
I think I proved that Stan Musial should have a higher speed attribute. My guy has more triples than anyone born in the 20th century. The only people with more triples than Stan are guys that played on fields with no fences. Then SDS disrespects him with 47 speed. Not even fast enough to hit a triple in any park but Polo. Lol
People said triples and stolen bases weren’t really about speed, though. Ummm, okay....
Then Mookie steals a few bases in the post season, and he goes from 62 speed to 72 speed for his Finest card (75 after prestige).
Now JV had less than top notch velo and people complained so SDS changed it.
Whack. No consistency.
If you could get Stan musials son to publicly complain via twitter and @ sds then you might have a chance. However reality is your just a plebeian to them and you don’t really matter. Not saying I agree but that’s the difference, Verls bro posting on Twitter is the only reason it was changed not the 100 posts on tsn or all the complaints on their social media accounts
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@MaxHarvest said in So Verlander’s attributes were changed, huh?:
@maurice91932 said in So Verlander’s attributes were changed, huh?:
Pretty weak.
I think I proved that Stan Musial should have a higher speed attribute. My guy has more triples than anyone born in the 20th century. The only people with more triples than Stan are guys that played on fields with no fences. Then SDS disrespects him with 47 speed. Not even fast enough to hit a triple in any park but Polo. Lol
People said triples and stolen bases weren’t really about speed, though. Ummm, okay....
Then Mookie steals a few bases in the post season, and he goes from 62 speed to 72 speed for his Finest card (75 after prestige).
Now JV had less than top notch velo and people complained so SDS changed it.
Whack. No consistency.
If you could get Stan musials son to publicly complain via twitter and @ sds then you might have a chance. However reality is your just a plebeian to them and you don’t really matter. Not saying I agree but that’s the difference, Verls bro posting on Twitter is the only reason it was changed not the 100 posts on tsn or all the complaints on their social media accounts
This right here. Sds wants to please public figures more than make changes bc of the community. Honestly things like the fielding and increased exit velo probably wouldn’t have been improved nearly as much if it wasn’t for sds listening to the content creators, this just seems to be the way it is more than not.
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To be fair, they really did Verlander dirty on his velocity and I think anyone would agree. There's no argument to be made that his fastball should top out at 98 when he consistently threw 100 that year, especially late in games. The game logs are there, it's an undeniable fact. As for Musial, statcast wasn't a thing obviously so you could have a debate on his speed rating. I'm not saying I agree or disagree with you in regard to that rating, but I'm saying a debate is possible as to where Verlander's velocity on his fastball can not be debated, it's a fact.
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@raesONE said in So Verlander’s attributes were changed, huh?:
To be fair, they really did Verlander dirty on his velocity and I think anyone would agree. There's no argument to be made that his fastball should top out at 98 when he consistently threw 100 that year, especially late in games. The game logs are there, it's an undeniable fact. As for Musial, statcast wasn't a thing obviously so you could have a debate on his speed rating. I'm not saying I agree or disagree with you in regard to that rating, but I'm saying a debate is possible as to where Verlander's velocity on his fastball can not be debated, it's a fact.
Fair, but that begs the question: if statcast wasn’t a thing in Musial’s day, how did they arrive at the 47 speed? The triples statistic alone should have made them think he was faster than 47.
Also, what does statcast say about Mookie? Did he get faster this year? Was slower at the start of the year and then got faster? His Rookie Card has 74 speed. His Prestiged Finest has 75 speed. Who gets faster as they approach 30?
If the numbers are just arbitrary guesses that only vaguely resemble a player’s production they should say that.
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I don’t Know how many times we have to tell you the they don’t base speed on F’n triples man. Am I saying Stan’s speed is accurate? Idk. But using triples as your only argument is stupid
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@maurice91932 said in So Verlander’s attributes were changed, huh?:
@raesONE said in So Verlander’s attributes were changed, huh?:
To be fair, they really did Verlander dirty on his velocity and I think anyone would agree. There's no argument to be made that his fastball should top out at 98 when he consistently threw 100 that year, especially late in games. The game logs are there, it's an undeniable fact. As for Musial, statcast wasn't a thing obviously so you could have a debate on his speed rating. I'm not saying I agree or disagree with you in regard to that rating, but I'm saying a debate is possible as to where Verlander's velocity on his fastball can not be debated, it's a fact.
Fair, but that begs the question: if statcast wasn’t a thing in Musial’s day, how did they arrive at the 47 speed? The triples statistic alone should have made them think he was faster than 47.
Also, what does statcast say about Mookie? Did he get faster this year? Was slower at the start of the year and then got faster? His Rookie Card has 74 speed. His Prestiged Finest has 75 speed. Who gets faster as they approach 30?
If the numbers are just arbitrary guesses that only vaguely resemble a player’s production they should say that.
I don't know, but I do know that a pitcher's velocity on his pitches is way easier to measure and also to accurately translate into the game.
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@the_dragon1912 said in So Verlander’s attributes were changed, huh?:
I don’t Know how many times we have to tell you the they don’t base speed on F’n triples man. Am I saying Stan’s speed is accurate? Idk. But using triples as your only argument is stupid
Don’t be disrespectful.
Now, as the previous post mentioned, if they don’t base speed on triples, and—as other people have mentioned previously—they don’t base it on stolen base totals or success rate, and statcast didn’t exist when Musial played....
How did they arrive at the 47 attribute?
If I can’t use triples to say Stan should be faster, why are triples ignored to say that he is slow?
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Dude said, “I don’t know how many times we have to tell you they don’t base speed on triples” but then can’t tell me what they base speed on. Lol
Dude said “we,” as if he works for SDS...
They got Musial’s speed wrong. I know it and you know it. Stop licking boots and stand on the right side.
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@maurice91932 said in So Verlander’s attributes were changed, huh?:
@the_dragon1912 said in So Verlander’s attributes were changed, huh?:
I don’t Know how many times we have to tell you the they don’t base speed on F’n triples man. Am I saying Stan’s speed is accurate? Idk. But using triples as your only argument is stupid
Don’t be disrespectful.
Now, as the previous post mentioned, if they don’t base speed on triples, and—as other people have mentioned previously—they don’t base it on stolen base totals or success rate, and statcast didn’t exist when Musial played....
How did they arrive at the 47 attribute?
If I can’t use triples to say Stan should be faster, why are triples ignored to say that he is slow?
I don’t know how they come up with speed for those old guys, no one does. All I know is you post this once a month and there is clearly a reason they haven’t changed it. With Mookies speed and Verlanders Velocity there was clear evidence that is should be changed. Mookie had lower speed in game then the guys around him on the sprint speed list, plus finest are known to be juiced anyway. People seen Verlander throw 100 in 2011 consistently with their own eyes. I’m just saying you are wasting your time posting this again. Seems like you are the only one Passionate about Musials speed. No one else really cares. You just aren’t going to have much luck unless there is Massive outcry, which won’t happen because Musial was released months ago
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Well, it would be nice if the community would rally behind this cause. Musial deserves it.
But still, I’m not really posting this to hear a bunch of “I-Don’t-Knows” from the community. I’d like to hear from SDS as to how they came up with 47 speed for Musial but, say, 65 speed for Jimmie Foxx.
The community doesn’t know. Y’all are just saying you don’t care.
Okay. Fine. Don’t care. That’s your prerogative. But I do care, and this is my crusade. I want answers. Either stand beside me or get out of my way.
The apathy of the community, and the unwavering, blind defense of the injustice committed against Musial is crazy to me. Y’all already said you don’t know.
But instead of saying, “Yeah, SDS. Explain how you came up with speed attributes for pre-statcast guys,” you say, “Shut up, dude. No one cares.”
The path toward truth and justice is a lonely one, I suppose...
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First, Mookie Betts is not a speed demon. Mookie steals bases because he’s an extremely smart base runner. He reads pitchers as well as anybody possibly can and exploits that. But if you were going to put him in a foot race with say Mondesi or Acuna or even Billy Hamilton he is going to lose embarrassingly bad. That’s why his speed attribute is not what you might consider elite.
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As for Musials speed, he played in ballparks that were much larger than what we see in today’s game. Many of these ballparks had enormous outfields (power ally’s that were 400 plus, center fields that were 450 plus. Yet the lines were 270. That was the beauty of these ballparks, how asymmetrical they were. So Musial just exploited the dimensions of many of these ballparks to his benefit. So quit whining about something as superfluous as Musials speed attribute.
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@KILLERPRESENCE4 said in So Verlander’s attributes were changed, huh?:
First, Mookie Betts is not a speed demon. Mookie steals bases because he’s an extremely smart base runner. He reads pitchers as well as anybody possibly can and exploits that. But if you were going to put him in a foot race with say Mondesi or Acuna or even Billy Hamilton he is going to lose embarrassingly bad. That’s why his speed attribute is not what you might consider elite.
Fair enough. But if in this game, you want to steal a bag with Mookie, you would need more than 62 speed, correct?
If SDS would have left Mookie at 62 and boosted his Stealing attribute to 99, he’d still get thrown out more times than not.
So what we know is that, with regard to baserunning and stealing, if we want the cards to perform somewhat like they do in real life, the Speed attribute is most important. It far outweighs the Stealing and Baserunning Aggressiveness attributes.
It’s the same thing with Musial. If we want him to be able to hit triples, which he did in real life more than every card in this game besides Cobb and Honus (who both began playing before the invention of the frickin automobile) he needs more than 47 speed. His card represents his MVP season of 1948, in which he was the league leader with 18 triples (and a 70% success rate on stolen bases as well).
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@KILLERPRESENCE4 said in So Verlander’s attributes were changed, huh?:
As for Musials speed, he played in ballparks that were much larger than what we see in today’s game. Many of these ballparks had enormous outfields (power ally’s that were 400 plus, center fields that were 450 plus. Yet the lines were 270. That was the beauty of these ballparks, how asymmetrical they were. So Musial just exploited the dimensions of many of these ballparks to his benefit. So quit whining about something as superfluous as Musials speed attribute.
All people can do is hurl insults and try to silence people from voicing legitimate criticisms by making appeals to some sort of macho idea of “not whining.” It isn’t whining to want to know how they came up with the speed attribute.
And by the way, Musial played half his games at Sportsman Park. That park was not big at all.
Go grunt on another thread, tough guy.
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@KILLERPRESENCE4 said in So Verlander’s attributes were changed, huh?:
As for Musials speed, he played in ballparks that were much larger than what we see in today’s game. Many of these ballparks had enormous outfields (power ally’s that were 400 plus, center fields that were 450 plus. Yet the lines were 270. That was the beauty of these ballparks, how asymmetrical they were. So Musial just exploited the dimensions of many of these ballparks to his benefit. So quit whining about something as superfluous as Musials speed attribute.
You obviously didn't research any of this, I did in one of these posts before. Musial played in similar dimension parks as Ruth, Gehrig, and Foxx. Some of those stadiums had moved their fences in from the Ruth days. So if the parks and eras are similar, why is Musial the odd man out and the others are over 60 speed.
There is no discernable difference between them except for steal attempts in which Musial was only marginally behind Ruth and Foxx, virtually identical to Gehrig.
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I’m not even a Cardinals fan. Before this video game and his MVP card this year, I didn’t even know much about Stan Musial other than his nickname being “The Man.”
It was only when he was released in this game that I started researching him. I saw his hitting attributes and I was like, “Wow. Dude must have been a special player.”
I saw his only downside was speed. Then I saw how many triples this guy roped and I knew SDS did him dirty.
Needless to say, I am now a big fan of “The Man.”
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@maurice91932 said in So Verlander’s attributes were changed, huh?:
Okay. Fine. Don’t care. That’s your prerogative. But I do care, and this is my crusade. I want answers. Either stand beside me or get out of my way.
I applaud you for your efforts, but what I learned a long time ago (and I've said this many times before and I'll keep saying it) is that if you expect clear communication from SDS about game mechanics/decisions/reasoning or logic, you'll end up feeling thoroughly disappointed each and every time.
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@Chuck_Dizzle29 said in So Verlander’s attributes were changed, huh?:
@KILLERPRESENCE4 said in So Verlander’s attributes were changed, huh?:
As for Musials speed, he played in ballparks that were much larger than what we see in today’s game. Many of these ballparks had enormous outfields (power ally’s that were 400 plus, center fields that were 450 plus. Yet the lines were 270. That was the beauty of these ballparks, how asymmetrical they were. So Musial just exploited the dimensions of many of these ballparks to his benefit. So quit whining about something as superfluous as Musials speed attribute.
You obviously didn't research any of this, I did in one of these posts before. Musial played in similar dimension parks as Ruth, Gehrig, and Foxx. Some of those stadiums had moved their fences in from the Ruth days. So if the parks and eras are similar, why is Musial the odd man out and the others are over 60 speed.
There is no discernable difference between them except for steal attempts in which Musial was only marginally behind Ruth and Foxx, virtually identical to Gehrig.
Hahaha this Killerclown doesn't research anything. I've debunked this man's statements time and again to the point where he blocked me, because he doesn't like it if someone goes against him and he absolutely HATES it when they bring undeniable facts along that prove him wrong.
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@maurice91932 said in So Verlander’s attributes were changed, huh?:
Well, it would be nice if the community would rally behind this cause. Musial deserves it.
But still, I’m not really posting this to hear a bunch of “I-Don’t-Knows” from the community. I’d like to hear from SDS as to how they came up with 47 speed for Musial but, say, 65 speed for Jimmie Foxx.
The community doesn’t know. Y’all are just saying you don’t care.
Okay. Fine. Don’t care. That’s your prerogative. But I do care, and this is my crusade. I want answers. Either stand beside me or get out of my way.
The apathy of the community, and the unwavering, blind defense of the injustice committed against Musial is crazy to me. Y’all already said you don’t know.
But instead of saying, “Yeah, SDS. Explain how you came up with speed attributes for pre-statcast guys,” you say, “Shut up, dude. No one cares.”
The path toward truth and justice is a lonely one, I suppose...
Speak out my man! Carry on your Crusade to right the unjust brought upon Stan The Man....ignore the naysayers and continue your march towards righting this.....don’t lose sight of your goal and stay strong in your unwavering defense of Stan the Man and his low speed rating!!!
