Am I the only one that uses directional hitting?
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@jimjones9989 said in Am I the only one that uses directional hitting?:
Lots of WS guys use it, they just don't tell you
That's because they don't.
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Directional used to be a very good option in past years - aim up & if it’s a low strike it was a homer. Aim down & if it was a high strike it was a homer. But I think due to the complaining about it on here SDS kind of broke it because directional hitters I know who were regular WS players before last year haven’t made WS since 18.
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Another thing is alot of people don’t know how it works because SDS refuses to put instructional videos on these games that would help clear up misconceptions.
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@raesONE said in Am I the only one that uses directional hitting?:
@jimjones9989 said in Am I the only one that uses directional hitting?:
Lots of WS guys use it, they just don't tell you
That's because they don't.
Except....they do. There are entire youtube channels dedicated to the finer side of using directional, by WS players. Big Tom being one of many. I didn't spend time learning how to do it, but plenty of people have mastered it.
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@jimjones9989 said in Am I the only one that uses directional hitting?:
@raesONE said in Am I the only one that uses directional hitting?:
@jimjones9989 said in Am I the only one that uses directional hitting?:
Lots of WS guys use it, they just don't tell you
That's because they don't.
Except....they do. There are entire youtube channels dedicated to the finer side of using directional, by WS players. Big Tom being one of many. I didn't spend time learning how to do it, but plenty of people have mastered it.
Even Big Tom bailed on directional this year & is now a zone hitter.
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I don't have the fine motor skills (nor the eyesight) for all zone all the time, so I play directional a lot.
Granted I only face the computer, but I like to control where the ball goes off the bat. Directional helps me in that aspect. -
@The_Joneser said in Am I the only one that uses directional hitting?:
You’re not going to hit everything out like you can with good PCI placement (which is quite ridiculous and unrealistic, by the way),
How is having to put the bat where the ball is ridiculous? It is ridiculous being able to hit without doing that.
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I did in the past, but the past few week have been brutal for me, even with almost perfect timing, I can’t tell you how many pop outs to the catcher or infield I’ve had. That does even count the flat out misses. Even if you have never used pure analog, I feel you will do better with that, then hitting with directional. Directional feels random with no rhyme or reason when you will make solid contact (even sitting on a fastball down the middle).
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@ChuckCLC said in Am I the only one that uses directional hitting?:
@The_Joneser said in Am I the only one that uses directional hitting?:
You’re not going to hit everything out like you can with good PCI placement (which is quite ridiculous and unrealistic, by the way),
How is having to put the bat where the ball is ridiculous? It is ridiculous being able to hit without doing that.
Because real people don’t pull low and outside pitches 450 feet with any regularity. There are freaks that do it on rare occasion, but it’s something to marvel over; it isn’t commonplace, like it is in this game. I’ve played the game for over 20 years and watched it for 40, and that [censored] simply doesn’t happen that often.
And, by the way, that isn’t your [censored] bat. The PCI represents where you’re looking, or where you want to put the bat. Like it or not, and I’m sure the pure input crybabies will love this, but that PCI represents intention. When a human tries to hit a fast moving round ball with a round bat they soon discover that it’s hard, and just because they’ve guessed right and trained their focus on exactly where the ball will be before letting it rip, they might still hit into an out (or flat out miss).
You can argue that it’s harder to put the PCI where the ball is, but it’s just as valid to argue that it takes a bit more brain power to quickly decide upon a swing type that fits the situation, the pitch, the defense, and the ability of the player holding the stick. Both methods are representative of that intent, and both subject to RNG, by necessity, because baseball, and life, involve an element of chance.
So, yes, I would argue that it’s absolutely ridiculous that you can circumvent that in a baseball simulation because you happen to be better at Call of Duty.
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My question is this (I use zone by the way) I get and understand why people don't like facing Directional hitters online, some use zone, but turn the PCI off. Isn't that basically directional hitting? I do expected to get hated on for asking this question, but my intentions are good.
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@johndarlas said in Am I the only one that uses directional hitting?:
My question is this (I use zone by the way) I get and understand why people don't like facing Directional hitters online, some use zone, but turn the PCI off. Isn't that basically directional hitting? I do expected to get hated on for asking this question, but my intentions are good.
No need for hate on that
Different things. Zone with the PCI off is still matching location, so stick to the right for an inside pitch to a lefty. With directional, the stick is influence, so a left-handed hitter with high vision and contact can inside-out an inside pitch by pushing the stick left (or down and left or up and left, depending). That influence choice will be successful or not considering the chances of a hitter with those attributes pulling it off against a pitcher with his attributes, taking into account pitch location and timing windows (which change depending on influence choice).
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@The_Joneser said in Am I the only one that uses directional hitting?:
@johndarlas said in Am I the only one that uses directional hitting?:
My question is this (I use zone by the way) I get and understand why people don't like facing Directional hitters online, some use zone, but turn the PCI off. Isn't that basically directional hitting? I do expected to get hated on for asking this question, but my intentions are good.
No need for hate on that
Different things. Zone with the PCI off is still matching location, so stick to the right for an inside pitch to a lefty. With directional, the stick is influence, so a left-handed hitter with high vision and contact can inside-out an inside pitch by pushing the stick left (or down and left or up and left, depending). That influence choice will be successful or not considering the chances of a hitter with those attributes pulling it off against a pitcher with his attributes, taking into account pitch location and timing windows (which change depending on influence choice).
I appreciate you answering my question. I expected people to jump all over me.
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@Steelerof3Rivers said in Am I the only one that uses directional hitting?:
directional hitters I know who were regular WS players before last year haven’t made WS since 18.
Huh?
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@jimjones9989 said in Am I the only one that uses directional hitting?:
@raesONE said in Am I the only one that uses directional hitting?:
@jimjones9989 said in Am I the only one that uses directional hitting?:
Lots of WS guys use it, they just don't tell you
That's because they don't.
Except....they do. There are entire youtube channels dedicated to the finer side of using directional, by WS players. Big Tom being one of many. I didn't spend time learning how to do it, but plenty of people have mastered it.
So there's a handful of guys who use it and make WS occasionally or even consistently. That doesn't mean "lots" of guys use it. It's a shame we can't access the true numbers because I'd bet the house that the overwhelming majority in WS uses zone hitting.
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My TV is 10 years old, picture is great but the lag on the show is brutal. Yes I know get a monitor, but should a have to to be successful at a 60 dollar game? The other games play fine.
Directional is great vs the cpu, especially moments. Just wait for the offspeed meatball.
I found zone better for ranked, although I still suck. I was atleast making contact with zone, and it allows you to sit on certain pitches. Guy the other day threw a curve down and away in every two strike count. Just sat on it and hit it a mile. I will say I hit more Homer's with directional, but I would lose 2-1 with my only hit being a HR. -
I'm a directional guy. I tried zone, but I felt like I was a cyborg with a laser eye and it was screwing up my timing as I was more focused on getting the ball in the circle. I have a 14 year old plasma screen so I do my best with what I got.
Side note: i know the real game has changed and become a ding ding festival which is basically the show now but i do miss the innings where there are lots of base hits, doubles, walks where there is more movement going on the bases than just walking up to the plate and smashing home runs.
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@Tankdriver499 said in Am I the only one that uses directional hitting?:
I'm a directional guy. I tried zone, but I felt like I was a cyborg with a laser eye and it was screwing up my timing as I was more focused on getting the ball in the circle. I have a 14 year old plasma screen so I do my best with what I got.
Side note: i know the real game has changed and become a ding ding festival which is basically the show now but i do miss the innings where there are lots of base hits, doubles, walks where there is more movement going on the bases than just walking up to the plate and smashing home runs.
i couldnt agree more man. I used zone when i bought the game and only switched a few weeks ago but there is noticeable difference in my hitting with directional. I dare say more skill is involved because you have to know your hitters tendencies and choose the write direction or your screwed. Zone you can just sit somewhere and wait.I cant catch up to fastballs with either so thats out the window lol
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@ChuckCLC said in Am I the only one that uses directional hitting?:
@The_Joneser said in Am I the only one that uses directional hitting?:
You’re not going to hit everything out like you can with good PCI placement (which is quite ridiculous and unrealistic, by the way),
How is having to put the bat where the ball is ridiculous? It is ridiculous being able to hit without doing that.
Because baseball bats swing on a level plane when done properly. They don’t hover in mid air like a ping pong paddle which is what zone hitting basically is. Swing is irrelevant with good pci placement. Its ping pong.
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@lazy_toast said in Am I the only one that uses directional hitting?:
@Tankdriver499 said in Am I the only one that uses directional hitting?:
I'm a directional guy. I tried zone, but I felt like I was a cyborg with a laser eye and it was screwing up my timing as I was more focused on getting the ball in the circle. I have a 14 year old plasma screen so I do my best with what I got.
Side note: i know the real game has changed and become a ding ding festival which is basically the show now but i do miss the innings where there are lots of base hits, doubles, walks where there is more movement going on the bases than just walking up to the plate and smashing home runs.
i couldnt agree more man. I used zone when i bought the game and only switched a few weeks ago but there is noticeable difference in my hitting with directional. I dare say more skill is involved because you have to know your hitters tendencies and choose the write direction or your screwed. Zone you can just sit somewhere and wait.I cant catch up to fastballs with either so thats out the window lol
You might draw a little ire, there, saying it takes more skill
I hear you, though. I think the thing is that it's a completely different skill, and difficult to master in its own way. While it's incredibly hard to match PCI location to pitch location consistently, it's also difficult to quickly decide "how" to swing at a pitch in a particular situation with a particular player, and then execute it. Dare I say it's a bit more cerebral than zone, while zone requires more hand-eye coordination? And that is by no means saying that zone hitters are dumb (nor directional hitters spastic); it's a preference to control a different aspect of the game.
As I'm writing this, I saw DeathRey's comment about swing being irrelevant with good PCI placement, and I think that highlights another piece of the directional/zone choice: PCI allows you to influence (not control, because the PCI is not the bat) the vertical angle of the swing by aligning it higher or lower relative to the pitch, but it has no bearing on the hitter's hands. While you can't see it, the influence that directional allows control over is exactly that; a left-handed hitter with a stick-right influence is driving through the strike zone with that back hand, trying to get that barrel through the zone quickly to pull, whereas that same hitter with a stick-left influence is pulling that front hand through the zone, keeping the barrel back (increasing the timing window), and inside-outing it to the opposite field.
It's that latter piece that must be controlled by RNG in zone hitting, because there is no means of controlling that aspect of a swing in that control scheme. Directional hitters choose to RNG the placement of the PCI while "controlling" what happens with a hitter's hands.
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@The_Joneser said in Am I the only one that uses directional hitting?:
@lazy_toast said in Am I the only one that uses directional hitting?:
@Tankdriver499 said in Am I the only one that uses directional hitting?:
I'm a directional guy. I tried zone, but I felt like I was a cyborg with a laser eye and it was screwing up my timing as I was more focused on getting the ball in the circle. I have a 14 year old plasma screen so I do my best with what I got.
Side note: i know the real game has changed and become a ding ding festival which is basically the show now but i do miss the innings where there are lots of base hits, doubles, walks where there is more movement going on the bases than just walking up to the plate and smashing home runs.
i couldnt agree more man. I used zone when i bought the game and only switched a few weeks ago but there is noticeable difference in my hitting with directional. I dare say more skill is involved because you have to know your hitters tendencies and choose the write direction or your screwed. Zone you can just sit somewhere and wait.I cant catch up to fastballs with either so thats out the window lol
You might draw a little ire, there, saying it takes more skill
I hear you, though. I think the thing is that it's a completely different skill, and difficult to master in its own way. While it's incredibly hard to match PCI location to pitch location consistently, it's also difficult to quickly decide "how" to swing at a pitch in a particular situation with a particular player, and then execute it. Dare I say it's a bit more cerebral than zone, while zone requires more hand-eye coordination? And that is by no means saying that zone hitters are dumb (nor directional hitters spastic); it's a preference to control a different aspect of the game.
As I'm writing this, I saw DeathRey's comment about swing being irrelevant with good PCI placement, and I think that highlights another piece of the directional/zone choice: PCI allows you to influence (not control, because the PCI is not the bat) the vertical angle of the swing by aligning it higher or lower relative to the pitch, but it has no bearing on the hitter's hands. While you can't see it, the influence that directional allows control over is exactly that; a left-handed hitter with a stick-right influence is driving through the strike zone with that back hand, trying to get that barrel through the zone quickly to pull, whereas that same hitter with a stick-left influence is pulling that front hand through the zone, keeping the barrel back (increasing the timing window), and inside-outing it to the opposite field.
It's that latter piece that must be controlled by RNG in zone hitting, because there is no means of controlling that aspect of a swing in that control scheme. Directional hitters choose to RNG the placement of the PCI while "controlling" what happens with a hitter's hands.
[censored] man they need to fire you. Nice write up
