Gotta love salty players
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And here I thought we were going to reminisce about the 2018 Catcher Program...
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@KILLERPRESENCE4 said in Gotta love salty players:
@hoboadam said in Gotta love salty players:
@Potawatomi_Kid said in Gotta love salty players:
@KILLERPRESENCE4 said in Gotta love salty players:
@hoboadam said in Gotta love salty players:
Here's a link to your advanced computer science degree...
Maybe using the word pseudo is accurate, but you missed the point like a high sinker.
I can use RNG as often as I wish because I understand it's application in an online sports game engine, for it's use to determine outcomes based off numerical attributes incorporating user input. User input determines what range of values are being used before the RNG
roll.You are arguing for the sake of either arguing, or trying to seem smart. We're saying the same thing Captain Obvious. People use RNG as a term as to why people get "predetermined results" and they're using it incorrectly.
Did you really send me to a link to Random Number Generator? Oh and it says it’s a true random number generator. And once again it’s asking for input. Which makes it not a random number generator. I’ll give you an example of true randomness. In the game you must press a button to swing at a pitch. If we were in a true random environment A player would not have to do anything for something to happen. In other words the player being pitched to would not have to press any button and in theory the batter might swing or might not swing with no input from user. That is what randomness is. This would also include the pitcher. The pitcher would not need input to throw the ball or not throw the ball. When you start assigning values to variables it inherently is no longer random. I’m not trying to throw around my intellect. I’m merely stating that randomness does not exist in the game or any game for that matter. So no, the homer that was hit against the OP was not RNG. It was a result of a number of very complicated calculation that netted the result of his/her situation. That’s it. And anybody who says it’s random is just wrong period full stop.
Is it not random within the range the input dictates? Like you're saying its not random because input makes the random range lowered.... Sounds random even when you try to say its not...
He's arguing semantics of the word random. The fact that a human programmed the web site makes it input, thus not random in his eyes.
You can't argue with ignorance. I'm moving on.
It’s not ignorance troll it’s the truth. Ignorance would suggest that I don’t have knowledge of the subject. Yes it is semantics but if you’re going to make a valid argument semantics matter. Once again you demonstrate a level of grammar commensurate with a high schooler or younger. Have a good day complaining about the randomness of the world rather than concentrating on getting better at the game. And by the way I’m in no way a “great player” but I also don’t victimize myself as it being someone or something else’s fault. RNG is a crutch and code for bad gamer. That’s it, I’m done good day
Hey dont be done, answer my question please? Seems valid to me.
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@Potawatomi_Kid said in Gotta love salty players:
@KILLERPRESENCE4 said in Gotta love salty players:
@hoboadam said in Gotta love salty players:
@Potawatomi_Kid said in Gotta love salty players:
@KILLERPRESENCE4 said in Gotta love salty players:
@hoboadam said in Gotta love salty players:
Here's a link to your advanced computer science degree...
Maybe using the word pseudo is accurate, but you missed the point like a high sinker.
I can use RNG as often as I wish because I understand it's application in an online sports game engine, for it's use to determine outcomes based off numerical attributes incorporating user input. User input determines what range of values are being used before the RNG
roll.You are arguing for the sake of either arguing, or trying to seem smart. We're saying the same thing Captain Obvious. People use RNG as a term as to why people get "predetermined results" and they're using it incorrectly.
Did you really send me to a link to Random Number Generator? Oh and it says it’s a true random number generator. And once again it’s asking for input. Which makes it not a random number generator. I’ll give you an example of true randomness. In the game you must press a button to swing at a pitch. If we were in a true random environment A player would not have to do anything for something to happen. In other words the player being pitched to would not have to press any button and in theory the batter might swing or might not swing with no input from user. That is what randomness is. This would also include the pitcher. The pitcher would not need input to throw the ball or not throw the ball. When you start assigning values to variables it inherently is no longer random. I’m not trying to throw around my intellect. I’m merely stating that randomness does not exist in the game or any game for that matter. So no, the homer that was hit against the OP was not RNG. It was a result of a number of very complicated calculation that netted the result of his/her situation. That’s it. And anybody who says it’s random is just wrong period full stop.
Is it not random within the range the input dictates? Like you're saying its not random because input makes the random range lowered.... Sounds random even when you try to say its not...
He's arguing semantics of the word random. The fact that a human programmed the web site makes it input, thus not random in his eyes.
You can't argue with ignorance. I'm moving on.
It’s not ignorance troll it’s the truth. Ignorance would suggest that I don’t have knowledge of the subject. Yes it is semantics but if you’re going to make a valid argument semantics matter. Once again you demonstrate a level of grammar commensurate with a high schooler or younger. Have a good day complaining about the randomness of the world rather than concentrating on getting better at the game. And by the way I’m in no way a “great player” but I also don’t victimize myself as it being someone or something else’s fault. RNG is a crutch and code for bad gamer. That’s it, I’m done good day
Hey dont be done, answer my question please? Seems valid to me.
To answer your question, no, once you input values for the certain variables it is no longer has a random outcome. For something to happen randomly there can be no input. What people are calling random here is things like swing, fielding and on field interactions. Now there can literally be millions of different outcomes which can seem random but obviously they are not. Because guess what happens if you were to do exactly the same thing as you did on the previous play arbitrarily speaking, and when I say exactly the same thing I mean all values for each variable are the exact same for a given scenario you will get the exact same outcome. That is not random. So when input is introduced randomness is eliminated. All outcomes are a result of the input.
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Dude is arguing about the definition of random still.
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@Potawatomi_Kid said in Gotta love salty players:
@hoboadam said in Gotta love salty players:
@Potawatomi_Kid said in Gotta love salty players:
@KILLERPRESENCE4 said in Gotta love salty players:
@hoboadam said in Gotta love salty players:
Here's a link to your advanced computer science degree...
Maybe using the word pseudo is accurate, but you missed the point like a high sinker.
I can use RNG as often as I wish because I understand it's application in an online sports game engine, for it's use to determine outcomes based off numerical attributes incorporating user input. User input determines what range of values are being used before the RNG
roll.You are arguing for the sake of either arguing, or trying to seem smart. We're saying the same thing Captain Obvious. People use RNG as a term as to why people get "predetermined results" and they're using it incorrectly.
Did you really send me to a link to Random Number Generator? Oh and it says it’s a true random number generator. And once again it’s asking for input. Which makes it not a random number generator. I’ll give you an example of true randomness. In the game you must press a button to swing at a pitch. If we were in a true random environment A player would not have to do anything for something to happen. In other words the player being pitched to would not have to press any button and in theory the batter might swing or might not swing with no input from user. That is what randomness is. This would also include the pitcher. The pitcher would not need input to throw the ball or not throw the ball. When you start assigning values to variables it inherently is no longer random. I’m not trying to throw around my intellect. I’m merely stating that randomness does not exist in the game or any game for that matter. So no, the homer that was hit against the OP was not RNG. It was a result of a number of very complicated calculation that netted the result of his/her situation. That’s it. And anybody who says it’s random is just wrong period full stop.
Is it not random within the range the input dictates? Like you're saying its not random because input makes the random range lowered.... Sounds random even when you try to say its not...
He's arguing semantics of the word random. The fact that a human programmed the web site makes it input, thus not random in his eyes.
You can't argue with ignorance. I'm moving on.
Agreed. I was about to say, dudes played less than 50 games online in 2020. He doesnt get it yet.
Yeah I may not have played 50 games of RS yet, but based on my stats, do you all of a sudden think I’m going to start losing at a prolific rate to match your Win/Loss record or all of sudden forget how to hit to equal your hitting stats??? Oh that’s right it’s random
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@hoboadam said in Gotta love salty players:
Dude is arguing about the definition of random still.
Dude just proved my point!!!
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@KILLERPRESENCE4 said in Gotta love salty players:
@Potawatomi_Kid said in Gotta love salty players:
@hoboadam said in Gotta love salty players:
@Potawatomi_Kid said in Gotta love salty players:
@KILLERPRESENCE4 said in Gotta love salty players:
@hoboadam said in Gotta love salty players:
Here's a link to your advanced computer science degree...
Maybe using the word pseudo is accurate, but you missed the point like a high sinker.
I can use RNG as often as I wish because I understand it's application in an online sports game engine, for it's use to determine outcomes based off numerical attributes incorporating user input. User input determines what range of values are being used before the RNG
roll.You are arguing for the sake of either arguing, or trying to seem smart. We're saying the same thing Captain Obvious. People use RNG as a term as to why people get "predetermined results" and they're using it incorrectly.
Did you really send me to a link to Random Number Generator? Oh and it says it’s a true random number generator. And once again it’s asking for input. Which makes it not a random number generator. I’ll give you an example of true randomness. In the game you must press a button to swing at a pitch. If we were in a true random environment A player would not have to do anything for something to happen. In other words the player being pitched to would not have to press any button and in theory the batter might swing or might not swing with no input from user. That is what randomness is. This would also include the pitcher. The pitcher would not need input to throw the ball or not throw the ball. When you start assigning values to variables it inherently is no longer random. I’m not trying to throw around my intellect. I’m merely stating that randomness does not exist in the game or any game for that matter. So no, the homer that was hit against the OP was not RNG. It was a result of a number of very complicated calculation that netted the result of his/her situation. That’s it. And anybody who says it’s random is just wrong period full stop.
Is it not random within the range the input dictates? Like you're saying its not random because input makes the random range lowered.... Sounds random even when you try to say its not...
He's arguing semantics of the word random. The fact that a human programmed the web site makes it input, thus not random in his eyes.
You can't argue with ignorance. I'm moving on.
Agreed. I was about to say, dudes played less than 50 games online in 2020. He doesnt get it yet.
Yeah I may not have played 50 games of RS yet, but based on my stats, do you all of a sudden think I’m going to start losing at a prolific rate to match your Win/Loss record or all of sudden forget how to hit to equal your hitting stats??? Oh that’s right it’s random
Next question. Just tryna see.. Explain 2 perfect pitch releases to the same spot, literally same exact, going 8 inches apart. Multiple outcomes for the same input.
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@Potawatomi_Kid said in Gotta love salty players:
@KILLERPRESENCE4 said in Gotta love salty players:
@Potawatomi_Kid said in Gotta love salty players:
@hoboadam said in Gotta love salty players:
@Potawatomi_Kid said in Gotta love salty players:
@KILLERPRESENCE4 said in Gotta love salty players:
@hoboadam said in Gotta love salty players:
Here's a link to your advanced computer science degree...
Maybe using the word pseudo is accurate, but you missed the point like a high sinker.
I can use RNG as often as I wish because I understand it's application in an online sports game engine, for it's use to determine outcomes based off numerical attributes incorporating user input. User input determines what range of values are being used before the RNG
roll.You are arguing for the sake of either arguing, or trying to seem smart. We're saying the same thing Captain Obvious. People use RNG as a term as to why people get "predetermined results" and they're using it incorrectly.
Did you really send me to a link to Random Number Generator? Oh and it says it’s a true random number generator. And once again it’s asking for input. Which makes it not a random number generator. I’ll give you an example of true randomness. In the game you must press a button to swing at a pitch. If we were in a true random environment A player would not have to do anything for something to happen. In other words the player being pitched to would not have to press any button and in theory the batter might swing or might not swing with no input from user. That is what randomness is. This would also include the pitcher. The pitcher would not need input to throw the ball or not throw the ball. When you start assigning values to variables it inherently is no longer random. I’m not trying to throw around my intellect. I’m merely stating that randomness does not exist in the game or any game for that matter. So no, the homer that was hit against the OP was not RNG. It was a result of a number of very complicated calculation that netted the result of his/her situation. That’s it. And anybody who says it’s random is just wrong period full stop.
Is it not random within the range the input dictates? Like you're saying its not random because input makes the random range lowered.... Sounds random even when you try to say its not...
He's arguing semantics of the word random. The fact that a human programmed the web site makes it input, thus not random in his eyes.
You can't argue with ignorance. I'm moving on.
Agreed. I was about to say, dudes played less than 50 games online in 2020. He doesnt get it yet.
Yeah I may not have played 50 games of RS yet, but based on my stats, do you all of a sudden think I’m going to start losing at a prolific rate to match your Win/Loss record or all of sudden forget how to hit to equal your hitting stats??? Oh that’s right it’s random
Next question. Just tryna see.. Explain 2 perfect pitch releases to the same spot, literally same exact, going 8 inches apart. Multiple outcomes for the same input.
Different scenario
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@KILLERPRESENCE4 said in Gotta love salty players:
@Potawatomi_Kid said in Gotta love salty players:
@KILLERPRESENCE4 said in Gotta love salty players:
@Potawatomi_Kid said in Gotta love salty players:
@hoboadam said in Gotta love salty players:
@Potawatomi_Kid said in Gotta love salty players:
@KILLERPRESENCE4 said in Gotta love salty players:
@hoboadam said in Gotta love salty players:
Here's a link to your advanced computer science degree...
Maybe using the word pseudo is accurate, but you missed the point like a high sinker.
I can use RNG as often as I wish because I understand it's application in an online sports game engine, for it's use to determine outcomes based off numerical attributes incorporating user input. User input determines what range of values are being used before the RNG
roll.You are arguing for the sake of either arguing, or trying to seem smart. We're saying the same thing Captain Obvious. People use RNG as a term as to why people get "predetermined results" and they're using it incorrectly.
Did you really send me to a link to Random Number Generator? Oh and it says it’s a true random number generator. And once again it’s asking for input. Which makes it not a random number generator. I’ll give you an example of true randomness. In the game you must press a button to swing at a pitch. If we were in a true random environment A player would not have to do anything for something to happen. In other words the player being pitched to would not have to press any button and in theory the batter might swing or might not swing with no input from user. That is what randomness is. This would also include the pitcher. The pitcher would not need input to throw the ball or not throw the ball. When you start assigning values to variables it inherently is no longer random. I’m not trying to throw around my intellect. I’m merely stating that randomness does not exist in the game or any game for that matter. So no, the homer that was hit against the OP was not RNG. It was a result of a number of very complicated calculation that netted the result of his/her situation. That’s it. And anybody who says it’s random is just wrong period full stop.
Is it not random within the range the input dictates? Like you're saying its not random because input makes the random range lowered.... Sounds random even when you try to say its not...
He's arguing semantics of the word random. The fact that a human programmed the web site makes it input, thus not random in his eyes.
You can't argue with ignorance. I'm moving on.
Agreed. I was about to say, dudes played less than 50 games online in 2020. He doesnt get it yet.
Yeah I may not have played 50 games of RS yet, but based on my stats, do you all of a sudden think I’m going to start losing at a prolific rate to match your Win/Loss record or all of sudden forget how to hit to equal your hitting stats??? Oh that’s right it’s random
Next question. Just tryna see.. Explain 2 perfect pitch releases to the same spot, literally same exact, going 8 inches apart. Multiple outcomes for the same input.
Different scenario
We're talking about random outcomes within the video games. Hows this different?
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@Potawatomi_Kid said in Gotta love salty players:
@KILLERPRESENCE4 said in Gotta love salty players:
@Potawatomi_Kid said in Gotta love salty players:
@KILLERPRESENCE4 said in Gotta love salty players:
@Potawatomi_Kid said in Gotta love salty players:
@hoboadam said in Gotta love salty players:
@Potawatomi_Kid said in Gotta love salty players:
@KILLERPRESENCE4 said in Gotta love salty players:
@hoboadam said in Gotta love salty players:
Here's a link to your advanced computer science degree...
Maybe using the word pseudo is accurate, but you missed the point like a high sinker.
I can use RNG as often as I wish because I understand it's application in an online sports game engine, for it's use to determine outcomes based off numerical attributes incorporating user input. User input determines what range of values are being used before the RNG
roll.You are arguing for the sake of either arguing, or trying to seem smart. We're saying the same thing Captain Obvious. People use RNG as a term as to why people get "predetermined results" and they're using it incorrectly.
Did you really send me to a link to Random Number Generator? Oh and it says it’s a true random number generator. And once again it’s asking for input. Which makes it not a random number generator. I’ll give you an example of true randomness. In the game you must press a button to swing at a pitch. If we were in a true random environment A player would not have to do anything for something to happen. In other words the player being pitched to would not have to press any button and in theory the batter might swing or might not swing with no input from user. That is what randomness is. This would also include the pitcher. The pitcher would not need input to throw the ball or not throw the ball. When you start assigning values to variables it inherently is no longer random. I’m not trying to throw around my intellect. I’m merely stating that randomness does not exist in the game or any game for that matter. So no, the homer that was hit against the OP was not RNG. It was a result of a number of very complicated calculation that netted the result of his/her situation. That’s it. And anybody who says it’s random is just wrong period full stop.
Is it not random within the range the input dictates? Like you're saying its not random because input makes the random range lowered.... Sounds random even when you try to say its not...
He's arguing semantics of the word random. The fact that a human programmed the web site makes it input, thus not random in his eyes.
You can't argue with ignorance. I'm moving on.
Agreed. I was about to say, dudes played less than 50 games online in 2020. He doesnt get it yet.
Yeah I may not have played 50 games of RS yet, but based on my stats, do you all of a sudden think I’m going to start losing at a prolific rate to match your Win/Loss record or all of sudden forget how to hit to equal your hitting stats??? Oh that’s right it’s random
Next question. Just tryna see.. Explain 2 perfect pitch releases to the same spot, literally same exact, going 8 inches apart. Multiple outcomes for the same input.
Different scenario
We're talking about random outcomes within the video games. Hows this different?
It’s a different scenario. Which means the values of the variables are different
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@KILLERPRESENCE4 said in Gotta love salty players:
@hoboadam said in Gotta love salty players:
Dude is arguing about the definition of random still.
Dude just proved my point!!!
Did you even read the definition? You're talking in circles has you contradicting your proclaimed definition, and then you agree with Webster that finite values in a range are selected AT RANDOM.
It's a random number generator doc. There are defined values based on attributes and then user input (AKA swing timing and location). Once all variables are determined, a random number generator spits out a result. (Aka, perfect perfect line-out to CF)
Go get a refund of your education sir and leave the discussion about RNG to the adults in the room. Thanks.
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@hoboadam said in Gotta love salty players:
@KILLERPRESENCE4 said in Gotta love salty players:
@hoboadam said in Gotta love salty players:
Dude is arguing about the definition of random still.
Dude just proved my point!!!
Did you even read the definition? You're talking in circles has you contradicting your proclaimed definition, and then you agree with Webster that finite values in a range are selected AT RANDOM.
It's a random number generator doc. There are defined values based on attributes and then user input (AKA swing timing and location). Once all variables are determined, a random number generator spits out a result. (Aka, perfect perfect line-out to CF)
Go get a refund of your education sir and leave the discussion about RNG to the adults in the room. Thanks.
You sir are a moron, have a good day child
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@KILLERPRESENCE4 said in Gotta love salty players:
@Potawatomi_Kid said in Gotta love salty players:
@KILLERPRESENCE4 said in Gotta love salty players:
@Potawatomi_Kid said in Gotta love salty players:
@KILLERPRESENCE4 said in Gotta love salty players:
@Potawatomi_Kid said in Gotta love salty players:
@hoboadam said in Gotta love salty players:
@Potawatomi_Kid said in Gotta love salty players:
@KILLERPRESENCE4 said in Gotta love salty players:
@hoboadam said in Gotta love salty players:
Here's a link to your advanced computer science degree...
Maybe using the word pseudo is accurate, but you missed the point like a high sinker.
I can use RNG as often as I wish because I understand it's application in an online sports game engine, for it's use to determine outcomes based off numerical attributes incorporating user input. User input determines what range of values are being used before the RNG
roll.You are arguing for the sake of either arguing, or trying to seem smart. We're saying the same thing Captain Obvious. People use RNG as a term as to why people get "predetermined results" and they're using it incorrectly.
Did you really send me to a link to Random Number Generator? Oh and it says it’s a true random number generator. And once again it’s asking for input. Which makes it not a random number generator. I’ll give you an example of true randomness. In the game you must press a button to swing at a pitch. If we were in a true random environment A player would not have to do anything for something to happen. In other words the player being pitched to would not have to press any button and in theory the batter might swing or might not swing with no input from user. That is what randomness is. This would also include the pitcher. The pitcher would not need input to throw the ball or not throw the ball. When you start assigning values to variables it inherently is no longer random. I’m not trying to throw around my intellect. I’m merely stating that randomness does not exist in the game or any game for that matter. So no, the homer that was hit against the OP was not RNG. It was a result of a number of very complicated calculation that netted the result of his/her situation. That’s it. And anybody who says it’s random is just wrong period full stop.
Is it not random within the range the input dictates? Like you're saying its not random because input makes the random range lowered.... Sounds random even when you try to say its not...
He's arguing semantics of the word random. The fact that a human programmed the web site makes it input, thus not random in his eyes.
You can't argue with ignorance. I'm moving on.
Agreed. I was about to say, dudes played less than 50 games online in 2020. He doesnt get it yet.
Yeah I may not have played 50 games of RS yet, but based on my stats, do you all of a sudden think I’m going to start losing at a prolific rate to match your Win/Loss record or all of sudden forget how to hit to equal your hitting stats??? Oh that’s right it’s random
Next question. Just tryna see.. Explain 2 perfect pitch releases to the same spot, literally same exact, going 8 inches apart. Multiple outcomes for the same input.
Different scenario
We're talking about random outcomes within the video games. Hows this different?
It’s a different scenario. Which means the values of the variables are different
Multiple outcomes that cannot be determined which one is going to happen based of the same exact input is random. Doesnt matter scenerio, like i said.. We're talking about the different outcomes to the same exact input within this video game. Your resorting to calling people children is louder than trying to prove... Whatever youre trying to prove.
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I know more about programming and am old enough to be your dad. I programmed COBOL on Wall Street and integrated systems with web based XML for 15 years. Keep telling yourself that you know everything champ.
I'm sure the mega millions commission would love to hear how the multi state lottery isn't random.
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Ridin' high on that comeback logic
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@KILLERPRESENCE4 said in Gotta love salty players:
@hoboadam said in Gotta love salty players:
Once again folks. RNG exists and people are misunderstanding it's meaning.
It's not the RNG, it's the ranges of RNG and sliders.
RNG is a random number generator that is used in ANY computer program where outcome is determined by input values and attributes that affect outcome are calculated.
DDA (Dynamic Difficulty Adjustment) is what people should be calling the "little billy code". I doubt it's in game, but it sure feels like it because SDS has HORRIBLE ranges with certain RNG aspects of their programming.
OP is a fool and deserves ridicule for this topic.
Wow can you be any more condescending with this post. Well here is a little shot of reality bud: Random Number Generators are not random. They may seem to be random however it is scientifically impossible for code to be able to genuinely generate random numbers. How do I know this you ask? I have an advanced degree in computer science. These so called RNG’s are actually called pseudo rng’s because the code has to be written with a definitive outcome. This requires input to receive an output. If the rng was truly random than input would not be required to generate a random output. Hence the conundrum. A loop must be added to generate this outcome which is why it’s no longer random. And to terminate the loop there has to be a stop statement which will then reset the loop to original status otherwise you would have an infinite loop which eventually would cause a memory error and thus a fatal error would result. That loop stop statement would have a set amount of times to run said loop before termination. After termination you return to the steady state and everything repeats. Hence the term pseudo.
Calls dude condescending, goes on a rant about "I HAVE AN ADVANCED DEGREE IN COMPUTER SCIENCE!" and goes off about PRNGs. Without us peeping the code and seeing if there is DDA, or manipulating the RNG somehow so that we tip the dice rolls in our favor and remove all sense of randomness, none of that [censored] matters. PRNGs have existed in games forever, and unless you are playing FFVIII and watching YT vids on how to manipulate it then whether it is true or psuedo is irrelevant.
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I love salty players and I’m not even kidding.
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What is a prestige level player? I played one earlier and beat them but I think their record was like 145-140 or something like that. Do you get prestige after a certain number of wins regardless of loses?
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@Freeze_Time_ said in Gotta love salty players:
What is a prestige level player? I played one earlier and beat them but I think their record was like 145-140 or something like that. Do you get prestige after a certain number of wins regardless of loses?
Prestige is tied to XP obtained through all game modes. You could be a warrior of the showdowns and play 3 ranked games all while being Prestige level X.
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@hoboadam said in Gotta love salty players:
@Freeze_Time_ said in Gotta love salty players:
What is a prestige level player? I played one earlier and beat them but I think their record was like 145-140 or something like that. Do you get prestige after a certain number of wins regardless of loses?
Prestige is tied to XP obtained through all game modes. You could be a warrior of the showdowns and play 3 ranked games all while being Prestige level X.
Okay so then it's not that big of a deal. It doesn't mean they are any good at online or they are some godly player. Why do people continue to make threads about the way people play online? My last game I played someone that took their time with almost every pitch. It was a tie game in the bot of the 10th and I had 2 runners on with 1 out and Trout at the plate and the user just paused it and let it run down 3 min until time expired and I got the win. That's just one example of weird things players do online. Online is a gamble. You'll always run into weird players online. Just how things are. No idea why there are constant threads about it.
