How is the Community Market feeling? (5)
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@Oliver230230230_PSN have you been able to use the app after your initial 10 minute restriction?
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I was able to use it to place like 700 buy orders, but when I tired selling I got through maybe 20 before I got the "error occured" message again. I stopped until I hear from Manu cause I dont want to have another 2 hr timeout...lol
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@Manu__SDS_MLBTS The bots seem to be attacking pipeline Max Clark, awards Pedroia, and egg hunt Cam Schlitter amongst others.
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@Oliver230230230_PSN have you been able to use the app after your initial 10 minute restriction?
It did not work after the 10 min was up but I didn’t try again for a while and it worked then.
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@Manu__SDS_MLBTS it sounds like you are seeing a difference on your end and that’s good. I have not had much time to poke around the market today and the little time I do have has been cut short with error notices. But I’m not complaining about it. Not to get too technical, is recapcha just weeding out bad traffic from web browsers or is there some kind of integrity check happening with connections from the app that are getting a pass/fail token before successfully interacting with api? I haven’t seen a recaptcha pop up in the app, but maybe some kind of integrity check is happening? Is that what is causing the timeouts or errors? Or is there rate limiting also in place? Last question, you mentioned last phase being integrity check or something, is this the last step in the 1,2,3 stage push you mentioned at the start of the week?
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Well it let me do maybe 60 sell orders and then gave me a 3 hr timeout. It would really help if I knew why it was doing that. I even slowed down on placing orders which I hate so much, I can do 20 orders in 30 seconds, but I have to make it take 2 minutes for every card I do 20 orders on? Why does how fast I hot "finalize" make me a bot? I can't do 500 orders in 30 seconds like they do so it should be pretty easy to tell.
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So is the speed that I place my orders? How many orders I do in a certain amount of time? If so how many and what time frame? None of that should matter because I do everything on an android phone and dont break any TOS. You can use the app to buy and sell.....just dont buy or sell to much....oh and dont place orders fast either. It's really messed up I have to keep dealing with this because I'm fast at flipping and have alot of time on my hands right now.
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@PittsburghPAVS_XBL The issue in a nutshell is that the app is what enables the bots to work. With that being said, the only real solutions to the bot issue is to either a) put a limit on the number of transactions that can be done on the phone, b) use a delay between transactions, c) remove the market from the app or d) have every transaction require a reCAPTCHA check.
Solution A, puts a hard limit on the number of transactions, but would the limit be? 100?, 200? 1000? too many and the bots can still function, too few and you have players complaining.
Solution B, means that the bot writers just have to program in the delay and they still function as normal, just not as quick.
Solution C, means that all transactions have to be done via console and that would more than likely solve 80 to 90% of the bot problem, but again the players will complain because they can't do transactions while away from the console.
Solution D, means that every transaction has to do the reCAPTCHA, and everyone will complain about that due to how much of a pain it will be.
The choices to get rid of the bots in the marketplace all have their drawbacks and there will be complaining no matter what they do.
Even though I use the app to sell dupes while away from the console, I would rather they remove the marketplace, if it got rid of the bots and make the market work like it did years ago.
Psy
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Well it let me do maybe 60 sell orders and then gave me a 3 hr timeout. It would really help if I knew why it was doing that. I even slowed down on placing orders which I hate so much, I can do 20 orders in 30 seconds, but I have to make it take 2 minutes for every card I do 20 orders on? Why does how fast I hot "finalize" make me a bot? I can't do 500 orders in 30 seconds like they do so it should be pretty easy to tell.
Just for me it would seem placing 60 orders on the community market is a ton of activity for one person to carry out. You wrote that you can carry out 20 orders in 30 seconds. OK, to my mind that's pretty close to bot level activity. It seems rather extreme for a human. I mean, seriously man, that's one order carried out every 1.5 seconds.
My conclusion? You just put forward the logic of throttling order activity to ensure it remains a human endeavor vice a bot endeavor.
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Howdy,
it's 1:45 am Pacific, and I just turned on
the ultimate filter...Please let me know if you experience any issues and/or if the Community Market feels improved!
Has this been disable the last several hours?
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Y filter is off
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@Manu__SDS_MLBTS I hope it gets turned back on very soon and stays on. I understand some adjustments need to be figured out but in the meantime I think the community is better served with it remaining on during that adjustment period.
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It was a good couple of days but the bots are officially back on the marketplace
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There was a decent couple hours… it was mentioned elsewhere that changes made last week were disabled shortly after they were activated. It sounded like adjustments needed to be made and it was unclear when or if they would be turned back on. In the meantime, bots have advanced. Whoever is making the decisions on how to police the marketplace needs to completely change their approach. Allowing bots to continue using the marketplace when it’s been demonstrated that they can be effectively blocked is baffling. If the cost of keeping bots out of the marketplace immediately is a few innocent players are timed out from using the app for a couple hours, including myself, so be it! Make adjustments from there. The entire market is corrupted by bots. These bots are stealing from players and sds. Choosing to continue enabling an environment where bots can thrive, despite knowing the harm they cause, is an egregious and unconscionable dereliction of responsibility to maintain an environment of fair play and protect players from foreseeable harm. Please turn back on any and all measures to prevent bots from using the marketplace asap.
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These bots are stealing from players and sds.
The bots aren't stealing from anybody. Its the third party sites that doing the stealing.
Their operations would be severely handicapped if SDS would go after the content creators who are promoting them. Stop the promotion and the bots will be slowed down.Just think about this bots have been around for years. The marketplace hasn't had this bad of an issue until this year.... why may you ask? Because content creators decided to sell their souls and start promoting these cyber criminals.
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Blame whoever you want. I don’t really care who’s responsible. I just want it to stop. Everyone who interacts with the game is affected by the market. Not everyone that uses the market are brainwashed by content creators. Or even watch them. I don’t. One round of bans is a start but to continue ignoring the problem and not actively combat it doesn’t do anything to stop it. Time for action!
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Not everyone that uses the market are brainwashed by content creators.
True.... but they control what happens in the game because of.they provide free advertising they provide.
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Everything SDS is doing is managing the bots not necessarily trying to eliminate them, reCAPTCHA only helps us to learn to live with them.
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Let me add one thing. Seems to me SDS may be listening to the very people they should NOT listen to! My point is normal human beings will only process around one or two orders a day! A day! Not seven or eight orders every five minutes for a whopping total of around 200 orders a day!
So, if that kind of insane "trading" is getting accounts banned, then perhaps that is a good thing! Therefore, instead of listening to those who moan about being "slowed down," perhaps SDS should consider that a victory and not ruin it.
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Let me add one thing. Seems to me SDS may be listening to the very people they should NOT listen to! My point is normal human beings will only process around one or two orders a day! A day! Not seven or eight orders every five minutes for a whopping total of around 200 orders a day!
So, if that kind of insane "trading" is getting accounts banned, then perhaps that is a good thing! Therefore, instead of listening to those who moan about being "slowed down," perhaps SDS should consider that a victory and not ruin it.
It's not all that insane when doing gold exchanges. Quite honestly, I put in about 10-15 buy orders for investments for the next collections. I maybe skipping it but doesn't mean I can't profit of it. Everything is well within ToS. If they don't want people mashing that finalize sale button or putting a big number of purchases then they need to change their ToS. Just as we are beholden to ToS they are too.
