Bryce Harper
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@Wilbs715_XBL I agree with you. I’m not saying the cap system will make every team a winner, nor should it. It’s about putting all teams in a collective even playing field in terms of economics. The Pirates have made terrible development of hitters, and haven’t had a singular Latin American success story in nearly a decade. That is
on them and their program. At the same time they have no margin for error, they can’t spend their way out of a mistake like the Coastal teams can.
I recognize and admit that. In the NFL you have the Browns. They get in their own way more often than not. But they always have hope. Pittsburgh, and many other teams, have zero hope by the 4th of July. -
@Wilbs715_XBL said in Bryce Harper:
@samguenther1987_PSN said in Bryce Harper:
Harper well not being completely right (probably shouldn't have yelled at Manfred)
Harper and other players are angry that Manfred wants to implement a salary cap, so of course the players are against that. Manfred should have known he wouldn't be welcome in a MLB teams clubhouse.
Right or wrong here may not matter. The ownership group may in-fact lock the players out before a new negotiation ever happens. Why have a salary cap when you already have a luxury tax threshold and revenue sharing? MLB revenue for 2024 hit a record of 12.1 billion(see Forbes.com). Let's hold the teams receiving the bulk share accountable to put it back into their payroll.
Because the luxury tax isn't working, and for the upteenth dozenth time, it isn't merely a salary cap but also a salary floor that will FORCE owners to pay for player talent to keep their teams competitive. That's what the owners want and while I'm not representing the owners in any way, shape, or form, the players are being their typical hostile selves to what I think this time is inevitable.
MLB will play with a salary cap and floor after the end of the 2026 season. Precisely how many current MLB players will choose to play in that system and when the next season starts are the ONLY open questions.
The details of that conclusion have already been provided in this thread. It's all there for people to read for themselves. Manfred is actually trying hard to do the players a big, fat favor. He isn't representing merely the owners in this, but as much the players. He is starting this communication now (two years ahead of time) precisely to impress on the players how different this lockout is going to be.
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Keep in mind Manfred works for the owners. He would not be talking about this if they didn’t want him to do so.
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Also keep in mind that Boras has an overwhelming presence in the MLBPA. He has rigidly fought against any system, including the current luxury tax model because he doesn’t want to hurt “his clients”. Which is good from his client’s perspective, but hurts the other 85% of players in the league.
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To be fair to the Pittsburgh situation:
If:
Horwitz didnt get hurt and instead improves on 2024
Reynolds doesnt suck [censored] this year
Bart performs like he did in 2024Then:
Bubba Chandler is in the majors
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I’m speaking selfishly here, but I’ve suffered through 33 years of bad baseball with a 4 year blip in the middle. I’ll gladly watch no baseball to see the economics of the game fixed and brought to par with the other three major sports leagues in America.
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It really does suck that two of the best ball parks in the majors are in Pittsburgh and Denver, which are good sports towns, but have the cheapest owners
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@SaveFarris_PSN said in Bryce Harper:
@olemissnole810_XBL said in Bryce Harper:
I'm personally for both a floor and a salary cap since I think it would help parity.
A salary floor means Braxton Garrett and Anthony Bender are making $8 million a year while the cost of hot dogs and parking triple. And the team is still going nowhere.
Is that "parity" what's best for baseball?
Or would it be better for MLB to force Sherman to sell to an owner willing to invest in the team?
I think you would have to start with the floor to see how the teams react. If you decide to overpay a Bender or Garrett rather than bring in a solid MLB player, then you would probably have to force an ownership change. This year the only FA was the 5mil they gave to Quantrill. That's not an attempt to win. It's just filling the roster.
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Lot's of people tossing around this concept of "force an ownership change." Folks, unless the owner in question violates a written rule of the league, one that explicitly states that violation may result in the league taking over the team to sell, the owner is a courtroom away from having MLB told to pound sand.
Absent the clearly worded rule, there is a word for what is being tossed around. It is called theft of private property! There are laws against that. A salary floor with a specified penalty for failing to meet it is the only way MLB could take a team away from an owner because he chooses to keep his payroll low.
The players are salaried employees working on a service contract. The owners actually own the teams. The league is formed by the owners to enforce agreed upon rules of the game and game structures. Seems there are a great many players who need to better understand that.
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@olemissnole810_XBL said in Bryce Harper:
This year the only FA was the 5mil they gave to Quantrill. That's not an attempt to win. It's just filling the roster.
So you admit that cheapo owners are ALREADY "filling out rosters" and not attempting to win.
Thanks for agreeing!
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@PriorFir4383355_XBL said in Bryce Harper:
Lot's of people tossing around this concept of "force an ownership change." Folks, unless the owner in question violates a written rule of the league, one that explicitly states that violation may result in the league taking over the team to sell, the owner is a courtroom away from having MLB told to pound sand.
That's why MLB needs to write a rule. Or have a Landis-level Commissioner with the power to enforce it unilaterally. (Obviously less likely but still technically doable.)
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@SaveFarris_PSN said in Bryce Harper:
@PriorFir4383355_XBL said in Bryce Harper:
Lot's of people tossing around this concept of "force an ownership change." Folks, unless the owner in question violates a written rule of the league, one that explicitly states that violation may result in the league taking over the team to sell, the owner is a courtroom away from having MLB told to pound sand.
That's why MLB needs to write a rule. Or have a Landis-level Commissioner with the power to enforce it unilaterally. (Obviously less likely but still technically doable.)
Yeah, you set the tone for that kind of world. Spend about $1 billion for a team, then place your daily ownership in the hands of someone else who didn't pay a nickel for the team, but who had God-like powers to take it away from you on his personal whims!
Seriously! Do you even contemplate the sort of world you advocate for prior to your writing us on how it should work!
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Manfred should be better at his job if he doesn't wanna get yelled out a team clubhouse
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@PriorFir4383355_XBL said in Bryce Harper:
Yeah, you set the tone for that kind of world. Spend about $1 billion for a team, then place your daily ownership in the hands of someone else who didn't pay a nickel for the team, but who had God-like powers to take it away from you on his personal whims!
That's how every other franchised operation works.
If a random Raising Canes owner in South Carolina decides they're going to stop distributing Cane's sauce because they can save 0.2% on operating costs, Todd Graves absolutely has the power to revoke their business.
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@PriorFir4383355_XBL again, the product is the talent, not the owner. If you believe Manfred is “helping the players”, then I have a bridge to sell you.
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@squishiesgirl_MLBTS said in Bryce Harper:
@samguenther1987_PSN you do know baseball has had strikes as well right?
O I am well aware, one of them cost Montreal not only the world series but it's team in the long run.
I just don't want to see a long strike for the MLB, but we will see what happens this time.
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@squishiesgirl_MLBTS said in Bryce Harper:
@yankblan_PSN yeah just found it odd to use a NHL reference as context
Sorry, it was the best reference I could think of at the time seeing this will be due to a salary cap, but yes I could have referenced the 1994 lockout as well.
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The players will never agree to a cap, not gonna happen. The MLB players union will not go for it unless their is some sort of clause that allows signing bonuses to offset the cost of losing out on higher salaries. It was a sticking point in 1994, and it will be a sticking point in the next negotiation, and Manfred knows it.
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@Wilbs715_XBL it’s all a PR stunt so he can say “see? I tried to have a dialogue but they refused to negotiate in good faith”. So tired of this song and dance.
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Here is a good insight on why the Pirates are a losing model currenlty.
