Bots
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@Sarge1387_PSN I would agree with you about a grey area if it were 100% virtual currency; but since you can buy said currency, it is illegal. Consumer laws prevent us to play the Daily challenges (name?) in Canada.
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Also Canadian, and those only apply to "CanCon" essentially. Because SDS is US based, they can and very likely are doing this.
Ubisoft, for example, couldn't get away with it because they're based in/have a location in Montreal.
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@Sarge1387_PSN it’s consumer fraud.
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*If they were Canadian based, and even then it would be iffy at best. Also because they're not messing with the stub shop, but rather the fictional market that the stubs are used it. Ergo, not illegal
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@Sarge1387_PSN doesn’t matter since they sell the product here. You can’t sell products that don’t conform to the market’s local laws and regulations.
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@yankblan_PSN said in Bots:
@Sarge1387_PSN doesn’t matter since they sell the product here. You can’t sell products that don’t conform to the market’s local laws and regulations.
Again you'd be right IF the market was the product, but it's not. The stub shop, for all intents and legal purposes is it's own store, as it's hosted by Sony, US based.
I'm sorry, but you're incorrect here.
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@Sarge1387_PSN it. Does. Not. Matter. If it weren’t conforming to our laws and not registered for distribution and exploitation here, we wouldn’t be able to play DD without a VPN.
Kind of like Netflix having different offerings based on location.
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@Sarge1387_PSN
Do you seriously think a company would risk being banned from selling games in multiple countries, and reputation damage so bad that mlb would likely revoke their license to have players in it and give it to a different company, all so they could drive up market prices a few thousand stubs? -
It's actually worse than what is being discussed here. I've been watching it out of curiosity. The bot will enter a buy order 1 above the best bid. Any higher bid and it will cancel and go 1 above again. It usually happens 10 seconds after the higher bid is entered. Sometimes as long as 25 seconds. Once the bot makes a purchase it flips over and lists the item for sale at 1 below the best offer and repeats the process. Once the sale happens it starts all over again with a new buy order. This usually happens when the spread is about 1000 to 2000 between buy and sell. It is soooo annoying if you are trying to buy or sell an item.
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@Parr99_XBL
That sounds like a human who is flipping -
Illegal or not is actually irrelevant, there is another factor much more important.
us. If it was shown that they were tampering with the market they would lose their entire player base,it would destroy the game,that is a risk I don't not think they'd be willing or even unwilling to take -
@Talkingben9558_XBL yeah, like more than one person can’t have the same strategy or follow the same trends.
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What evidence of bots does anyone have? Because you got outbid by 1 as soon as you entered a bid? Well, I’m a human and I bid a few more that the recent bid as a normal process. Lots of people play this game, so I assume there could be hundreds of people looking at the same card at the same time. What would be end game for a bot anyway? Lazy post.
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I don't think it's a person entering and canceling orders. If you play around with it you will clearly see a pattern to the buying and selling. I have pushed up a price by over 1000 to see how far it will go and it is very consistent in the timing and process. After pushing up the price I cancel my order and the bot price sits there until a buy happens. Individuals don't leave a price above the market like this. They will cancel and lower.
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The end game for the bot is either making stubs or manipulating the market. The bot doesn't care how much it makes. It just keeps doing it.
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@Parr99_XBL
People who put buy orders in usually just outbid by one and wait until their order goes through. They dont check all the orders below them -
Wow the tin foil hat must be a fashion statement in 2025
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Here's an example of how I have tested it. Sale price 9000 and buy price 6000. I put in an order for 6005. Bot does 6006 and cancels 6000 about a second or two apart. I go to 6500 and then bot does 6501. I do 7000 and bot does 7001. Each time the bot cancels it's previous order. Now the top three prices are 7001 bot, 7000 me 6000 next best bid. I cancel my 7000 and the bot stays at 7001 until a buy happens even though it is now 1000 above the next best bid. It doesn't expect this to happen so it isn't programmed to correct the large over bid. Individuals don't leave the high bid all alone. Individuals will cancel and lower when they see that they are way above the market.
The bot doesn't. Once the buy happens it switches and sells. As long as it is the best price the program works. I've been playing the market for 10 years and have never seen anything like this before. -
I have played out this exact scenario about 50 times or more test it out and it worked exactly the same everytime.
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I don’t know about you, but the market acting this way doesn’t make me want/need to buy stubs. In fact, it does the opposite.
And then my thinking drifts to: you know, if this is how it’s gonna be from now on, maybe The Show isn’t for me. (Shrugs)…..
