Bots
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If anyone played Madden Mobile from around 2014-2015 time frame, then you may remember the bot problems the platform had in the auction house. Eventually they removed the auction house and went another direction to obtain cards, but sadly it took the fun out of the game.
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@yankblan_PSN I’m not sure why everyone thinks there’s such heavy regulations on these video games. I don’t think that’s the case. Games do shady stuff all the time. If someone were to attempt to audit or regulate them they can easily claim the game is glitchy or anything of that nature. Additionally, there is a threshold given with these sorts of things likely similar to a casino even if there were heavy regulations but I guess I’m just not understanding. Concerns about consumer exploitation of young children has been brought up a lot lately but what we are referring to here I would say is lightly regulated. Just my 2 cents
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@RAisEdByGoAt_XBL it involves microtransactions and a form of gambling. You also have to consider this game is sold outside of the US, in countries that have much stricter consumer protection laws. It only takes one well documented complaint or suit to put them under the microscope.
To me it’s hard to justify nickel and dime-ing a fake market to justify what, a couple 100k more? Much more likely someone outside the company could be doing this.
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@yankblan_PSN said in Bots:
@Sarge1387_PSN they would be stupid to do this, since it’s illegal.
It's not the NYSE, is a fictional in game market. They have every right to do it if they want to, it's essentially non-verbal power of suggestion- a common sales tactic, designed to influence players to buy stubs from the shop. It's not that farfetched...nor is it "illegal"
From a business standpoint, it would make sense to do this. You're also not wrong about how some consumers could do this, I've seen the buy and sell scripts some use for auto buy and sells as well that are done through the community market website. But those aren't designed for lowering sell prices, which is what's happening in some of these cases
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@Sarge1387_PSN I would agree with you about a grey area if it were 100% virtual currency; but since you can buy said currency, it is illegal. Consumer laws prevent us to play the Daily challenges (name?) in Canada.
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Also Canadian, and those only apply to "CanCon" essentially. Because SDS is US based, they can and very likely are doing this.
Ubisoft, for example, couldn't get away with it because they're based in/have a location in Montreal.
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@Sarge1387_PSN it’s consumer fraud.
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*If they were Canadian based, and even then it would be iffy at best. Also because they're not messing with the stub shop, but rather the fictional market that the stubs are used it. Ergo, not illegal
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@Sarge1387_PSN doesn’t matter since they sell the product here. You can’t sell products that don’t conform to the market’s local laws and regulations.
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@yankblan_PSN said in Bots:
@Sarge1387_PSN doesn’t matter since they sell the product here. You can’t sell products that don’t conform to the market’s local laws and regulations.
Again you'd be right IF the market was the product, but it's not. The stub shop, for all intents and legal purposes is it's own store, as it's hosted by Sony, US based.
I'm sorry, but you're incorrect here.
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@Sarge1387_PSN it. Does. Not. Matter. If it weren’t conforming to our laws and not registered for distribution and exploitation here, we wouldn’t be able to play DD without a VPN.
Kind of like Netflix having different offerings based on location.
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@Sarge1387_PSN
Do you seriously think a company would risk being banned from selling games in multiple countries, and reputation damage so bad that mlb would likely revoke their license to have players in it and give it to a different company, all so they could drive up market prices a few thousand stubs? -
It's actually worse than what is being discussed here. I've been watching it out of curiosity. The bot will enter a buy order 1 above the best bid. Any higher bid and it will cancel and go 1 above again. It usually happens 10 seconds after the higher bid is entered. Sometimes as long as 25 seconds. Once the bot makes a purchase it flips over and lists the item for sale at 1 below the best offer and repeats the process. Once the sale happens it starts all over again with a new buy order. This usually happens when the spread is about 1000 to 2000 between buy and sell. It is soooo annoying if you are trying to buy or sell an item.
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@Parr99_XBL
That sounds like a human who is flipping -
Illegal or not is actually irrelevant, there is another factor much more important.
us. If it was shown that they were tampering with the market they would lose their entire player base,it would destroy the game,that is a risk I don't not think they'd be willing or even unwilling to take -
@Talkingben9558_XBL yeah, like more than one person can’t have the same strategy or follow the same trends.
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What evidence of bots does anyone have? Because you got outbid by 1 as soon as you entered a bid? Well, I’m a human and I bid a few more that the recent bid as a normal process. Lots of people play this game, so I assume there could be hundreds of people looking at the same card at the same time. What would be end game for a bot anyway? Lazy post.
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I don't think it's a person entering and canceling orders. If you play around with it you will clearly see a pattern to the buying and selling. I have pushed up a price by over 1000 to see how far it will go and it is very consistent in the timing and process. After pushing up the price I cancel my order and the bot price sits there until a buy happens. Individuals don't leave a price above the market like this. They will cancel and lower.
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The end game for the bot is either making stubs or manipulating the market. The bot doesn't care how much it makes. It just keeps doing it.
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@Parr99_XBL
People who put buy orders in usually just outbid by one and wait until their order goes through. They dont check all the orders below them
