Another debut….
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@theBlindRhino_NSW So there's something called Photo Day during Spring Training where every single player takes extremely high quality photos that are available for purchase on Getty images. In fact, those are the images used for a lot of player cards in DD. They have the photos already, they just don't care about the offline roster since there's no money to be made there.
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@RedstickRebel_PSN did all these guys attend MLB spring training?
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Dear lord, just stop, it’s not about taking the time to get face scans or whatever, it’s about licensing. You want it done sooner, pick up your phone and call the agents of the players and work out a deal to pay them for their likeness. The players want protections and confidence that it doesn’t devalue their brand. Have a drink, smoke a blunt, go jerkoff, do whatever you typically do to relax and realize there’s more to this than your feeble little mind can comprehend.
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And the hits just keep on coming, don't they?
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@theBlindRhino_NSW Yes, you can see their cards in Diamond Dynasty. They have the pics of them.
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@SavageSteve_MLBTS If that were true, then cards with their pics on them wouldn't be allowed in Diamond Dynasty.
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You don’t understand licensing, there are two different types of player likeness licensing
MLBPA Licensing
Once a player is part of the 40 man roster, they fall under MLBPA (MLB Union, not the MiLB Union). Under this agreement, SDS can use the player’s name, stats, jersey, and photo. It’s why newer players or those recently called up can have Diamond Dynasty cards with real names, official headshots, and accurate uniforms and ratingsBUT — this license does not include the rights to the player’s 3D likeness (face scan or custom head model).
This is a very important distinction to players, most of the MLB players have already given this up under their collective bargaining agreements and are fine with SDS using the models. Newer player weren’t part of those negotiations and retain those rights for themselves. Some have no issue while others are more restrictive.
To model a player’s actual 3D face, San Diego Studio (SDS) needs the following:
• The player to sit for a face scan
• The player to sign off on image and likeness use beyond the MLBPA licenseDo a little research before making assumptions. There’s a plethora of available information in a variety of different avenues. Use that brain of yours and make it a little less smooth.
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@SavageSteve_MLBTS It makes no sense for their actual picture and name to be displayed in Diamond Dynasty while their likeness can't be used in the offline version of the game.
But, I'm not a stubborn [censored], so lets say you're correct.
The fact is, I've given SDS $100+ every year for 6 years now. I am a customer. That gives me the right to express any complaints I have about the game.
And right now, my one complaint is Cam Smith isn't in the game. He's been on the 40 day roster since the first game of the season. I know his personality well enough to know he's not putting up a fight to stay out of the game. So yes, if you're right, they're just taking their sweet time to get approval or whatever they need from him.
I would also say it's a pathetic display of their graphic designing abilities with their lack of options to be able to make a player look how they look in the CAP/Edit A Player options. I've literally played PS2 games with more capabilities in that department.
Don't be so defensive for SDS. They're not going to reward you with free stubs for white knighting on their behalf.
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Lol, don’t even know what that means. Typical snowflake, can’t accept they’re wrong, tried to pretend they can, but in the end still has to blame someone else for their lack of intelligence.
Keep on keeping on, eventually Darwinism will claim its next victim.
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@SavageSteve_MLBTS said in Another debut….:
MLBPA Licensing
Once a player is part of the 40 man roster, they fall under MLBPA (MLB Union, not the MiLB Union). Under this agreement, SDS can use the player’s name, stats, jersey, and photo. It’s why newer players or those recently called up can have Diamond Dynasty cards with real names, official headshots, and accurate uniforms and ratingsBUT — this license does not include the rights to the player’s 3D likeness (face scan or custom head model).
Actually, yes it does.
Understanding MLBPA Licensing and Likeness Rights
Main takeaway: Every active Major League Baseball player assigns the Major League Baseball Players Association (MLBPA) the exclusive worldwide right to license or sublicense their name, image and likeness in any commercial setting where three or more active players are featured. MLBPA exercises those rights through its for-profit subsidiary MLB Players, Inc. (MLBPI) and, globally, through the joint-venture agency OneTeam Partners. Brands that want to use players collectively must secure an MLBPA/MLBPI license—and, if club logos appear, a separate license from MLB Properties as well.
This is why a much smaller game like Out Of The Park baseball can include cards with the actual pictures for all of the current players. No way they got everyone to sign off.
Getting individual likeness rights is only needed for players no longer in the MLBPA
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@SavageSteve_MLBTS Lol all that arrogance and insulting only for Dolenz to prove you wrong anyway.
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You actually just proved my point. The section you’re quoting only applies to group licensing—meaning when three or more players are featured collectively, like on a poster, baseball card set, or in a general-purpose video game roster. That’s what the MLBPA handles.
But when it comes to an individual’s detailed likeness—especially in a biometric or realistic form, like a 3D face scan—that’s a whole different legal category. The individual player retains those rights.
Here’s a simple test for your theory: if SDS already had full likeness rights for every player, why do they need to negotiate a separate agreement every year with the cover athlete? Answer: Because that requires the player’s personal consent. The group license doesn’t cover solo commercial use, endorsement, or the kind of high-fidelity scan work needed for that role.
So again—yes, SDS can use a player’s name, stats, and even their photo in Diamond Dynasty through the MLBPA. But the 3D face scan? That’s not automatically part of the group deal. If the player hasn’t been scanned—or hasn’t signed off—SDS legally can’t use their actual likeness in that format.
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You really should read a book or two or a dozen, he’s cherry-picking verbiage that doesn’t fit the actual argument over 3D imaging likeness.
FYI, here’s the rest of the statement MLBPA makes in regards to what @Dolenz_PSN quoted, notice he intentionally cherry picked his quote:
MLBPA’s rights include instances, e.g., where the publicity rights of 3 or more active MLB players are featured on a single product (for example, a single poster featuring three or more players) or where 3 or more players are featured on individual products within a product line or brand (for example, three separate posters, each of which featuring the publicity rights of only one player, offered by a company in a given year). MLBPA’s rights also include promotional uses in which 3 or more players are used by third party to promote a brand, product line or services, including in connection with corporate sponsorship, advertising, promotional materials, sweepstakes, contests, premiums, events or other programs.
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Don’t waste your breath… they all have the same excuses and I continue to prove them wrong time and time again. I’ve accepted that they’ve turned baseball into a battle royale card game. I haven’t even played the game at all lol. I should’ve realized after last year it was gonna be bad but I gave them the benefit of the doubt. Man was I wrong, This year is atrocious. Oh well, lesson learned. SDS ruined the only MLB video game.
They haven’t even added Josh smith lol. It’s been like 2 months. (After years of never adding him)
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@RedstickRebel_PSN said in Another debut….:
I would also say it's a pathetic display of their graphic designing abilities with their lack of options to be able to make a player look how they look in the CAP/Edit A Player options. I've literally played PS2 games with more capabilities in that department.
- THIS. They could have custom altered Jorge Mateo character model YEARS ago at the least if not get his face scan.
And that's just one. I also noticed Jacob Webb still has long hair.
Why???
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Regarding any minor league player who didn’t play in the majors before this game started. They were not union members until they played and this game wouldn’t have the right to have their face. Cam would have to get himself to San Diego and get scanned. Contact him through social media and ask him nicely and maybe he’ll do it for you. Keep in mind it might not matter in an already started franchise. Dalton Rushing didn’t update in my first franchise. Not very long ago, and if the Cam complainer actually played 6 years he would know, real minor league players DID NOT even exist non this game so he should relax a little and be grateful Cam is actually there at all.
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@dodgers19k88_MLBTS minor leaguers became a part of the MLBPA in 2022. There are many stories surrounding it. It happened after reports surfaced a few years ago about the conditions that minor leaguers were living under.
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It’s a little more nuanced than just they’re a part of MLBPA. You are correct in a general statement, but the minor league players have a separate collective bargaining agreement from the major league players. This was a HUUUGE win for minor league players and was long overdue.
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@SavageSteve74_PSN sure, it’s much more nuanced than that. But, for them to say they aren’t a part of the union therefore aren’t scanned into the game is inaccurate. There are plenty of factors as to why certain players aren’t scanned into but that statement isn’t accurate.
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In regards to face scans, this company only cares about adding and modifying certain teams. Want an example? Check the WhiteSox and Rockies
Forget prospects, how about adding dudes who been in the league for years like Jacob Latz or Josh Smith for Texas. So many players who were in the bigs got scans after they leave certain teams like Cole Ragans.
Ain’t nobody trying to use this company’s busted auto generated player build system.
