Rose and the Black Socks
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@trfatboy22_MLBTS said in Rose and the Black Socks:
a slap in the face to a mans memory and to his family.
You know what else was a slap in the face?
Breaking Baseball's one unbreakable rule.
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@Jcassaro44_MLBTS That's fair I respect that opinion.
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@SaveFarris_PSN @trfatboy22_MLBTS never showed contrition, lied through his teeth. I don’t feel sorry one iota. He did this to his family himself, not MLB.
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I know everyone seems to want Rose in the game and maybe SDS should start pursuing that but I look at his stats and wonder who is going to actually use a OF/1B with High Contact and low power.
But here is hoping that he is added for Cincy fans.
The same kind of goes for Shoeless Joe - High Contact/Low Power for an outfielder.
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@Jcassaro44_MLBTS said in Rose and the Black Socks:
but it’s the easy way to fix the scenario at hand.
That assumes there's anything to fix. For over 100 years, players knew that if you bet on baseball, you were automatically barred from Cooperstown. It's worked pretty well as a deterrent, with Pete and Marcano the only ones in the past 80 years to ignore the consequences.
Manfred's actions today makes the penalties less harsh. Given the proliferation we've seen of online/app wagering, it's the exact wrong signal to send.
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Eh, agree to disagree. I think waiting for someone to die and then deciding to forgive them is a pretty bad way to go about it. I also think Pete Rose the player didn't do anything wrong and should have been in the hall forever ago. I understand that will be a minority opinion but it is what it is.
It's good for baseball to have your best (and most popular) players be recognized.
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Shoeless Joe will basically be Ty Cobb with power…Which would be AWESOME.
Rose will basically be Luis Arraez.
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I couldn’t agree with you more it’s an absolute shame that they lift Pete Roses Ban now that he’s passed away. The society we live in is just absolutely disgusting and awful
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@trfatboy22_MLBTS I mean weren't they "lifetime" bans? It's pretty wild that you are talking about the disgusting and awful society while caping for a child rapist.
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@IrishFist412_MLBTS said in Rose and the Black Socks:
Shoeless Joe will basically be Ty Cobb with power…Which would be AWESOME.
Rose will basically be Luis Arraez.
How the heck do you figure that? Both players best HR year was 12. The 162 game average for their careers is
Cobb 6 HRs per 162
Jackson 7 HRs per 162Tony Gwynn averaged more power than those two.
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@IrishFist412_MLBTS I said the same thing about Rose/Arraez...but Rose was a switch hitter so he has that going for him over Arraez.
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April Showers bring May Rose. lfg
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I don't believe that they ever had proof the Shoeless Joe actually bet or threw games. Pete Rose, yeah, he bet on them. I'm ok with Jackson, not so much with Rose.
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Jackson had a career ops of .960 according to baseball reference. In an era before the home run he had plenty of power. For perspective, a .960 would place him 7th in the league right now behind Corbin Carrol and ahead of Alex Bregman.
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@Dolenz_PSN True…But 1919 was the last year of the dead ball era. Even Ruth never hit more than 11 in a season before then.
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I understand that, I’m more lenient on the white Sox players because it was a different time and maybe the movies made me a little sympathetic towards them.
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@Jcassaro44_MLBTS I’d like to see them try and make Rose sympathetic in a movie
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Check out their career ops, doubles and triples. You are judging them through the wrong lenses of history.
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In my view, Joe Jackson is more deserving of going into the Hall of Fame than is Rose. You see, when Joe Jackson was playing that World Series, there were zero rules against gambling in professional baseball. Those rules were adopted after the Black Sox scandal.
Throwing games in that era was not routine, but also well known to happen. What was unprecedented was the idea of throwing a World Series. That was a stake to the heart of the game and scared the owners. So, they put an autocrat in power and he lowered the hammer. At the time, Joe Jackson played an excellent World Series by all measures. He and Buck Weaver both played well in that series. There was never any evidence he accepted money, and so what they were really guilty of was knowing the fix was in and not telling Charlie Comisky.
If they had, they would have been tarnished by their fellow players and Comisky likely wouldn't have done anything about it. So, those two were in a no-win position.
Rose played in an era where the rule against gambling was well known, and made a right of passage and warning every single spring training. Yet, Rose bet on baseball games anyway. So, Rose broke a well established rule. Weaver and Jackson did not.
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@trfatboy22_MLBTS said in Rose and the Black Socks:
Eh, agree to disagree. I think waiting for someone to die and then deciding to forgive them is a pretty bad way to go about it. I also think Pete Rose the player didn't do anything wrong and should have been in the hall forever ago. I understand that will be a minority opinion but it is what it is.
It's good for baseball to have your best (and most popular) players be recognized.
He broke a cardinal rule actually in writing. If that's "doing nothing wrong" in your book, then how many other offenses and crimes are "OK in your book?"
