Just a heads up SDS.
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@CHOMBONDO in your opinion, it’s a dung show. That you just keep playing.
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@CHOMBONDO
Haha, just wait until the NCAA drops, and you can buy more NIL money to improve your recruiting or your online team. Pay 50 dollars for 5 million in NIL money to offer to recruits, and pay 30 for a pack that may include Bo Jackson, but you will likely end up with Jason White "Heisman" card
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@Pergo said in Just a heads up SDS.:
Every year people predict that something is going to drive all the players away and every year they are wrong. Its an MLB The Show tradition!
To be fair, since there is no content in The Show and NBA 2K24 was free on Sony Pass I tried it for a bit.
Man do I hate the controls for that game, and how terrible the 2K servers are. I didn't last long.
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@Crimson_Monk said in Just a heads up SDS.:
@CHOMBONDO
Haha, just wait until the NCAA drops, and you can buy more NIL money to improve your recruiting or your online team. Pay 50 dollars for 5 million in NIL money to offer to recruits, and pay 30 for a pack that may include Bo Jackson, but you will likely end up with Jason White "Heisman" card
underrated post.
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@BJDUBBYAH lol dude actually thinks everyone plays 3 hours a day like him.
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@BJDUBBYAH you really like riding and white knighting SDS, don't you?
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@Teak2112 said in Just a heads up SDS.:
@Pergo said in Just a heads up SDS.:
Every year people predict that something is going to drive all the players away and every year they are wrong. Its an MLB The Show tradition!
To be fair, since there is no content in The Show and NBA 2K24 was free on Sony Pass I tried it for a bit.
Man do I hate the controls for that game, and how terrible the 2K servers are. I didn't last long.
But NBA doesn't have the same draw to me as MLB anyway.Yeah I got real in to 2K a few years back for one season, but I never felt a draw to go back to it. Now that's a game that really feels like pay to win. Trying to play online with a NMS team felt impossible. Didn't help that I just wasn't very good either. Some of the offline stuff in MyTeam was fun though.
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I only play the game to make fun of other kids to show them how dumb they are.
Oh Marky Mark.
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@SaveFarris said in Just a heads up SDS.:
You do know that have back end metrics, right? And they can measure customer engagement more accurately than a random message boarder?
This is the problem with focusing completely on data/metrics. There is a story in there that the data alone does not tell. I am a huge fan of data-based decisions, but SDS takes the data and says, "oh, this isn't working." Then they just throw stuff at the wall to try and get what they want, spinning it by saying "we listen to you guys". If they took the data and then did a deep analysis of what is causing those outcomes, they could find something better to throw out there that would benefit everyone.
Everyone is focused on money, money, money, packs, packs, packs, but the problem is not completely the abundance of packs, but the lack of value. There is nothing in the game this year that provides value. There is no value in the cards that come in packs, there is no value in the cards that come from completing programs (online or offline), and there is no value in spending time in the game. They have created a game without value and data alone is not going to help them fix that.
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@Honor_The_Game44
Finally a great response that doesn’t involve the white knights arguing with people complaining about the game. Metrics and money tell the short term story but completely bypass the long term damage of driving away a fan base will have in future game installments. The game feels and plays empty, bottom line.
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@Tusken_Raiderz, why is it somehow worse to be "white knighting SDS" than it is to be lining up behind a group of sententious malcontents who can't see beyond their own petty desires? I don't know the dude, but he makes a lot more sense than most people here airing their grievances.
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@The_Joneser
I don’t think it’s necessarily worse but I do think it’s just as bad and potentially worse by allowing SDS to continue down a path, without calling them out, that is souring a lot of players on the game at a record clip.
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@TripleH-4481, not everyone feels that way.
Personally, I reject the premise of the game not having value. I'm finding great value in this year's game, and I very much enjoy the time I get to spend playing it when not engaged in real life activities. I'm not a collector, nor do I like grinding for stacks of digital cards that I don't care to actually use, so it really isn't playing much differently for me this year than any other; I very selectively target which cards I want to grind for, don't lock in my sellable cards, and sell them off when I want to buy another.
In terms of play, I'm enjoying very much my Martin Dihigo in CF (a great value at around 20K stubs), and McCutchen is a steal for under 10K (I bought him around 30K, and thought that was a good value). Arenado is free, Candelario was easy to get, and Tom Seaver has been one of my favorites for years... I enjoy playing actual games with the players I have and getting new ones really isn't out of reach. I just have to make some decisions and not expect everything all at once, and then I get to play a pretty decent baseball simulation.
A lot of players in these forums are upset, but they're the same people, over and over again. Just because a few others that don't always complain have expressed discontent doesn't necessarily lend itself to the interpretation that this is "souring a lot of players on the game at a record clip." How do you know that just as many, if not more, are happy that they can just buy the players they want rather than waste precious hours grinding?
Sorry you aren't as happy this year, but that doesn't mean everyone is with you.
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@The_Joneser said in Just a heads up SDS.:
@Tusken_Raiderz, why is it somehow worse to be "white knighting SDS" than it is to be lining up behind a group of sententious malcontents who can't see beyond their own petty desires? I don't know the dude, but he makes a lot more sense than most people here airing their grievances.
I think because the folks "White Knighting" come across way more like egregiously blatant ignorance refusing to acknowledge the issues at hand than they realize/think it does. I give them the benefit of the doubt that they don't intentionally mean to be that obtuse, although there are a few that you'd have better luck banging your head against a wall with.
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This narrative is so silly lol
I don’t play madden what makes you think I want to play NCAA
I’m a baseball guy
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@The_Joneser said in Just a heads up SDS.:
@TripleH-4481, not everyone feels that way.
Personally, I reject the premise of the game not having value. I'm finding great value in this year's game, and I very much enjoy the time I get to spend playing it when not engaged in real life activities. I'm not a collector, nor do I like grinding for stacks of digital cards that I don't care to actually use, so it really isn't playing much differently for me this year than any other; I very selectively target which cards I want to grind for, don't lock in my sellable cards, and sell them off when I want to buy another.
In terms of play, I'm enjoying very much my Martin Dihigo in CF (a great value at around 20K stubs), and McCutchen is a steal for under 10K (I bought him around 30K, and thought that was a good value). Arenado is free, Candelario was easy to get, and Tom Seaver has been one of my favorites for years... I enjoy playing actual games with the players I have and getting new ones really isn't out of reach. I just have to make some decisions and not expect everything all at once, and then I get to play a pretty decent baseball simulation.
A lot of players in these forums are upset, but they're the same people, over and over again. Just because a few others that don't always complain have expressed discontent doesn't necessarily lend itself to the interpretation that this is "souring a lot of players on the game at a record clip." How do you know that just as many, if not more, are happy that they can just buy the players they want rather than waste precious hours grinding?
Sorry you aren't as happy this year, but that doesn't mean everyone is with you.
Say what you will, but one thing I agree with you on is some of the value of cards. That free 88 Trout from the rewards program...I'm hitting .886 with him. Absolute digital destruction of the ball every time he's at the dish, by far better than any other card I've received.
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@DeleteyourTTVBTW said in Just a heads up SDS.:
@BJDUBBYAH lol dude actually thinks everyone plays 3 hours a day like him.
Universal profiles don’t lie.
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Merely still playing the game isn't agreeing with the current direction of the game....opening your wallet is......keep those wallets closed guys and gals
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Lol, "sententious malcontents." I like that one.
I've firebombed SDS a LOT on these forums since launch, and probably will continue to do so. But this guy is straw-manning as much as anyone.
I also give a lot of credit to SDS for what they do right, and have always done so. Power creep is better than 99's at launch. Having the BR program reward be non-sellable is fine, regardless of the outrage. TA seems solid this year.
But DD has clearly gone almost all-in on monetization. Taken together: the stub squeeze, xp squeeze, packs = "content," nerfing the LS collection (including taking out division bosses and capping league bosses at 95)...it's clear.
That in conjunction with a game that was broken in several ways at launch -- and remained so through early access -- and SDS has been at its worst this year.
This isn't emotion. It's logic. I will enjoy franchise as it is and will grind free stuff in DD, but the real effect of this year will be felt next year and the year after, when lots of players think twice about purchasing the game -- or in-game content.
Love,
A Sententious Malcontent
