Before Day 1 99’s
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@Redd666ish_PSN said in Before Day 1 99’s:
I’ve seen all the backlash about all the 99’s and on the surface I get. It’s scary to think that the digital rewards I earn won’t be valuable anymore in a couple of months. But after careful consideration I’ve come to the conclusion it’s always been this way. Look, in previous years we had 91 overall headliners and 92 overall ranked seasons rewards early on which we could grind for and collect. Once we had those cards we could use them whenever we chose for the rest of the year. Did any of us actually use the 91 headliners and 92 ranked rewards all season though? Not likely and if we did we did it’s because we just had that one goon in our lineup that just works for us. So what is the difference if the early cards are 92’s or 99’s? We are still earning cards we won’t use in two months and if we find a goon we have the wildcard slot to put him in. What do you guys think? Am I missing something ?why should I be outraged about using a 99 for two months instead of a 92 for two months?
Having the 99's now gives us (well me anyway) nothing to look forward to. Yes I get to grind later in the year for different 99's, but those cards are not going to be much better, and if they are then OVR means nothing. The anticipation of getting better cards as the year goes on is gone.
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@DeleteyourTTVBTW_MLBTS said in Before Day 1 99’s:
This just comes down to offline vs online. If you play offline this year is amazing. Better cards to destroy the CPU with. If you play online you can very easily see the Pay2Win structure. And eventually Pay2KeepUp in the newer seasons.
If I make WS (or play a handful of games and just get it given to me lmao) I have a 99 overall card that is equal to several 99 overall cards in the shop. You can literally BUY an ENTIRE team of ranked season reward caliber players during the FIRST ranked season….cringe.
Count the 99s you can earn and Count the 99s you can buy. It’s pretty simple math. There is almost more choice packs with MULTIPLE 99s than actual avenues to the earnable 99s. And within a week there will be.
Earnable 99s: 11 choosable, 7 available.
2 RS includes WS
2 BR includes 12-0
3 Program + Luck Factor99s available only in packs or Market: 20
Ohtani, Jenkins, Tucker, Diaz, G. Henderson, Carroll, Volpe, Murakami, Robinson, Sasaki, Willis, Bagwell, Walker, Nen, Cabrera, Darvish, Marte, Edmonds, Machado, Trout….no clue what people are talking about but did you know new packs dropping tomorrow!!!Wrong in first statement. Offline is just as stale and boring as online and people are still going to BUY an ENTIRE team of ranked season players. It has nothing to do with offline and online. It is the bs of having 95+ cards day 1, and as you point out making them all pay-to-win.
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@BrikMahorn_XBL said in Before Day 1 99’s:
What does it matter?!!?!
When every player is a 99 with zero weaknesses and juiced ratings...does it really matter what player "skin" they are in?
Not really. And that's where the mode is heading.
Isn't that what online players have been asking for for years? Only reflexes to matter? We are almost there.
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@Vipersneak_PSN said in Before Day 1 99’s:
@BrikMahorn_XBL said in Before Day 1 99’s:
What does it matter?!!?!
When every player is a 99 with zero weaknesses and juiced ratings...does it really matter what player "skin" they are in?
Not really. And that's where the mode is heading.
Isn't that what online players have been asking for for years? Only reflexes to matter? We are almost there.
They say that wanting input to matter more/less RNG. Not for every card to play the same.
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@genopolanco_PSN said in Before Day 1 99’s:
@Vipersneak_PSN said in Before Day 1 99’s:
@BrikMahorn_XBL said in Before Day 1 99’s:
What does it matter?!!?!
When every player is a 99 with zero weaknesses and juiced ratings...does it really matter what player "skin" they are in?
Not really. And that's where the mode is heading.
Isn't that what online players have been asking for for years? Only reflexes to matter? We are almost there.
They say that wanting input to matter more/less RNG. Not for every card to play the same.
They say they want input to be the only thing that matters (some do). The only way to do that is to have all the cards the same. Perhaps you do not see that but without making all the cards the same there is no way to make input all that matters.
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@Vipersneak_PSN said in Before Day 1 99’s:
@genopolanco_PSN said in Before Day 1 99’s:
@Vipersneak_PSN said in Before Day 1 99’s:
@BrikMahorn_XBL said in Before Day 1 99’s:
What does it matter?!!?!
When every player is a 99 with zero weaknesses and juiced ratings...does it really matter what player "skin" they are in?
Not really. And that's where the mode is heading.
Isn't that what online players have been asking for for years? Only reflexes to matter? We are almost there.
They say that wanting input to matter more/less RNG. Not for every card to play the same.
They say they want input to be the only thing that matters (some do). The only way to do that is to have all the cards the same. Perhaps you do not see that but without making all the cards the same there is no way to make input all that matters.
I’ve heard that thought before but I think that’s a very small percentage of players.
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Well either way, we are moving toward all the cards, from day one, being nearly identical for the entire season (other than perhaps swing and delivery).
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I already nearly have an end game team. If they were not going to artificially cause me to stop using those cards I would be very close to done. There is no incentive to make my team better. Sadly, this money grab of "removing the carrot" (incentive) may just work out for SDS. SDS did this to increase profits, which is fine in and of itself, but some of us dislike this model very much. I have no incentive to finish the programs that are available. Why would I want cards any less than a 97 at this point? And we are only two weeks into the season.
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No it is definitely more fun having lower rated cards early in the game and working up to a 99. People think when the seasons change and you can't use set 1 anymore it will be different, but that just wont be the case because set 1 and 2 will overlap.
I see what you are saying with early headliners cycling out, but between attributes, parallels, and what would've been captain upgrades this year it wouldnt have been an issue at all. Plus, I used guys like Ketel and Lofton for at least half the year last year.
It just kind of sucks now that live series cards, live series collection rewards, and low 90s in general are already useless. Getting Live Series trout or Degrom at this point in past years would be one of your best cards until the all star series drops, no they are nothing more than a piece of a collection.
I especially don't see where they go with topps now, ASG, finest, etc. No room to grow cards already
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I'm not going to take sides here as I see it from both perspectives but something that people don't consider is this. Under the old model pitching was dominant until the hitters caught up, which was after the allstar break usually(See Kershaw, Kluber, Edward Cabrera, Bobby Miller/Randy for example). A 92 pitcher will almost always be more useful than a 92 hitter depending on pitch mix, outlier etc. The hitters are on an even playing field now is all I have to say
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@BRETTSANT05_PSN said in Before Day 1 99’s:
No it is definitely more fun having lower rated cards early in the game and working up to a 99. People think when the seasons change and you can't use set 1 anymore it will be different, but that just wont be the case because set 1 and 2 will overlap.
I see what you are saying with early headliners cycling out, but between attributes, parallels, and what would've been captain upgrades this year it wouldnt have been an issue at all. Plus, I used guys like Ketel and Lofton for at least half the year last year.
It just kind of sucks now that live series cards, live series collection rewards, and low 90s in general are already useless. Getting Live Series trout or Degrom at this point in past years would be one of your best cards until the all star series drops, no they are nothing more than a piece of a collection.
I especially don't see where they go with topps now, ASG, finest, etc. No room to grow cards already
no it is not, you are wrong - it is a trash way of playing - unless you live in your mums basement - no one wants to grind to infinity each year over year - mind numbing waste of real life
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I haven't paid for a single player card this year beyond pre order stuff. I have had some pack luck but other wise I was able to complete the RS program with a winning record so any idea that it's pay 2 win is a joke.
This game need a shot in the arm from what's been done the past 3 to 4 years and so far I think it's a good start. Until we get to season 3 it's really hard to judge on the long game but so far it's been good in my eyes.
One thing to consider is the meta data that SDS has on player base. I would not be surprised if the way the seasons are set is this is when SDS sees players wave of people coming back to the game, maybe the idea between 99s is to keep players engaged longer when they return because the cards are better.
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I get your point but whats better than a 99 card? It's not like in mid-June a 99 card is going to be released that is far superior than the 99 I already have at that position. At that point it will just be a matter of what name would I rather see in the lineup and that's not enough to keep me wanting to come back.
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@Redd666ish_PSN said in Before Day 1 99’s:
I’ve seen all the backlash about all the 99’s and on the surface I get. It’s scary to think that the digital rewards I earn won’t be valuable anymore in a couple of months. But after careful consideration I’ve come to the conclusion it’s always been this way. Look, in previous years we had 91 overall headliners and 92 overall ranked seasons rewards early on which we could grind for and collect. Once we had those cards we could use them whenever we chose for the rest of the year. Did any of us actually use the 91 headliners and 92 ranked rewards all season though? Not likely and if we did we did it’s because we just had that one goon in our lineup that just works for us. So what is the difference if the early cards are 92’s or 99’s? We are still earning cards we won’t use in two months and if we find a goon we have the wildcard slot to put him in. What do you guys think? Am I missing something ?why should I be outraged about using a 99 for two months instead of a 92 for two months?
You're right! As the explained, this way we're earning the best version of each card right away. For someone who won't play past July, they can use a 99 Trout, 99 Ohtani, 99 Lindor etc.
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@TheHungryHole said in Before Day 1 99’s:
@BRETTSANT05_PSN said in Before Day 1 99’s:
No it is definitely more fun having lower rated cards early in the game and working up to a 99. People think when the seasons change and you can't use set 1 anymore it will be different, but that just wont be the case because set 1 and 2 will overlap.
I see what you are saying with early headliners cycling out, but between attributes, parallels, and what would've been captain upgrades this year it wouldnt have been an issue at all. Plus, I used guys like Ketel and Lofton for at least half the year last year.
It just kind of sucks now that live series cards, live series collection rewards, and low 90s in general are already useless. Getting Live Series trout or Degrom at this point in past years would be one of your best cards until the all star series drops, no they are nothing more than a piece of a collection.
I especially don't see where they go with topps now, ASG, finest, etc. No room to grow cards already
no it is not, you are wrong - it is a trash way of playing - unless you live in your mums basement - no one wants to grind to infinity each year over year - mind numbing waste of real life
That's not what it is. If you think that, just wait until set 1 is no longer usable. You will have to restart the grind to get new cards. There is still an infinity grind, it is just significantly less rewarding because you just grind to go from 1 99 overall to a new one
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@BRETTSANT05_PSN said in Before Day 1 99’s:
@TheHungryHole said in Before Day 1 99’s:
@BRETTSANT05_PSN said in Before Day 1 99’s:
No it is definitely more fun having lower rated cards early in the game and working up to a 99. People think when the seasons change and you can't use set 1 anymore it will be different, but that just wont be the case because set 1 and 2 will overlap.
I see what you are saying with early headliners cycling out, but between attributes, parallels, and what would've been captain upgrades this year it wouldnt have been an issue at all. Plus, I used guys like Ketel and Lofton for at least half the year last year.
It just kind of sucks now that live series cards, live series collection rewards, and low 90s in general are already useless. Getting Live Series trout or Degrom at this point in past years would be one of your best cards until the all star series drops, no they are nothing more than a piece of a collection.
I especially don't see where they go with topps now, ASG, finest, etc. No room to grow cards already
no it is not, you are wrong - it is a trash way of playing - unless you live in your mums basement - no one wants to grind to infinity each year over year - mind numbing waste of real life
That's not what it is. If you think that, just wait until set 1 is no longer usable. You will have to restart the grind to get new cards. There is still an infinity grind, it is just significantly less rewarding because you just grind to go from 1 99 overall to a new one
see mate - i thought about this a LOT before doing any work on building my team - i have sold all Set cards - i am only trying to finish the NL collection and have like 2 or 3 cards left - within a few weeks of game cycle its unreal to me ! i am aiming for that Sammy Sosa card !!!!
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@BRETTSANT05_PSN said in Before Day 1 99’s:
@TheHungryHole said in Before Day 1 99’s:
@BRETTSANT05_PSN said in Before Day 1 99’s:
No it is definitely more fun having lower rated cards early in the game and working up to a 99. People think when the seasons change and you can't use set 1 anymore it will be different, but that just wont be the case because set 1 and 2 will overlap.
I see what you are saying with early headliners cycling out, but between attributes, parallels, and what would've been captain upgrades this year it wouldnt have been an issue at all. Plus, I used guys like Ketel and Lofton for at least half the year last year.
It just kind of sucks now that live series cards, live series collection rewards, and low 90s in general are already useless. Getting Live Series trout or Degrom at this point in past years would be one of your best cards until the all star series drops, no they are nothing more than a piece of a collection.
I especially don't see where they go with topps now, ASG, finest, etc. No room to grow cards already
no it is not, you are wrong - it is a trash way of playing - unless you live in your mums basement - no one wants to grind to infinity each year over year - mind numbing waste of real life
That's not what it is. If you think that, just wait until set 1 is no longer usable. You will have to restart the grind to get new cards. There is still an infinity grind, it is just significantly less rewarding because you just grind to go from 1 99 overall to a new one
You are going to have more than plenty set 2 cards before set 1 isn't usable though. You aren't restarting the grind. You just keep playing and get more and more cards on the way. Like I don't know for sure the the whole point seems to be that you doin't have to be constantly grinding to get more cards to the point where you can't play what modes you want to play
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@genopolanco_PSN said in Before Day 1 99’s:
I don’t understand why restricting our inventory = lineup diversity. I feel like it will be even worse.
When Set 3 rolls around, everyone is going to have a very similar lineup using Set 2 & 3, where if you kept Set 1 eligible, lineups would vary more. More 99s eligible, more lineup diversity.
Instead they are just forcing us to change our rosters instead of letting nature take its course. If everyone is saying we’ll want to quit using Set 1 players in July anyway, then why force us to?
I feel like we'll get the same players in Sets 2 & 3 and beyond, just different versions of those players so I don't foresee there being too many issues with Set 1 cards getting cycled out when the time comes.
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@romeischillin said in Before Day 1 99’s:
@genopolanco_PSN said in Before Day 1 99’s:
I don’t understand why restricting our inventory = lineup diversity. I feel like it will be even worse.
When Set 3 rolls around, everyone is going to have a very similar lineup using Set 2 & 3, where if you kept Set 1 eligible, lineups would vary more. More 99s eligible, more lineup diversity.
Instead they are just forcing us to change our rosters instead of letting nature take its course. If everyone is saying we’ll want to quit using Set 1 players in July anyway, then why force us to?
I feel like we'll get the same players in Sets 2 & 3 and beyond, just different versions of those players so I don't foresee there being too many issues with Set 1 cards getting cycled out when the time comes.
That’s why I think this change is dumb. Why repeat player releases if we’re already at 99s? That limits lineup diversity rather than help it.
They just want you to buy a 99 Trout every 3 months rather than just once.
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@genopolanco_PSN said in Before Day 1 99’s:
@romeischillin said in Before Day 1 99’s:
@genopolanco_PSN said in Before Day 1 99’s:
I don’t understand why restricting our inventory = lineup diversity. I feel like it will be even worse.
When Set 3 rolls around, everyone is going to have a very similar lineup using Set 2 & 3, where if you kept Set 1 eligible, lineups would vary more. More 99s eligible, more lineup diversity.
Instead they are just forcing us to change our rosters instead of letting nature take its course. If everyone is saying we’ll want to quit using Set 1 players in July anyway, then why force us to?
I feel like we'll get the same players in Sets 2 & 3 and beyond, just different versions of those players so I don't foresee there being too many issues with Set 1 cards getting cycled out when the time comes.
That’s why I think this change is dumb. Why repeat player releases if we’re already at 99s? That limits lineup diversity rather than help it.
They just want you to buy a 99 Trout every 3 months rather than just once.
attributes won't be identical... for example I have Gold Rookie David Wright and Diamond Captain David Wright right now and they both have different strengths with Captain Wright having more power and speed... they both rake though... the interesting ones will be guys like Reggie Jackson who is getting a 97 Charisma today... will be interesting to see what a 99 Postseason (for example) looks like for him in say October.
Also MLB The Show doesn't "push" for you to buy stubs like the other games push for you to buy their virtual currency given the fact that you earn stubs while playing... the other games sell one currency (NBA 2K - VC, Madden - Points) while you earn a completely different currency (NBA 2K - MT Points, Madden - Coins) in their games.
