Headliners choice pack question
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@the_dragon1912 said in Headliners choice pack question:
@eatyum_psn said in Headliners choice pack question:
@the_dragon1912 said in Headliners choice pack question:
First of all every 90+ is considered a high diamond. You can't even get low diamonds in the headliner choice pack. It's just 1:3 odds or 33%. Odds in whether you get a headliner card or a live series round isn't stated. Hard to file a lawsuit if your own understanding if how it works is wrong
You can get a low diamond ls choice round instead of headliner choice round in the pack
You can? I've only seen headliners, 90+ live series, and golds
on PS press square and it advertises odds... no idea on other systems.
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@mrkat_psn said in Headliners choice pack question:
@the_dragon1912 said in Headliners choice pack question:
@eatyum_psn said in Headliners choice pack question:
@the_dragon1912 said in Headliners choice pack question:
First of all every 90+ is considered a high diamond. You can't even get low diamonds in the headliner choice pack. It's just 1:3 odds or 33%. Odds in whether you get a headliner card or a live series round isn't stated. Hard to file a lawsuit if your own understanding if how it works is wrong
You can get a low diamond ls choice round instead of headliner choice round in the pack
You can? I've only seen headliners, 90+ live series, and golds
on PS press square and it advertises odds... no idea on other systems.
My apologies, I could have swore it was only 1:3 for a 90+ and 1:1 for gold
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@mrkat_psn said in Headliners choice pack question:
@eatyum_psn said in Headliners choice pack question:
Lol. Ask yourself what they have to gain by lying, certainly not enough money for the millions they'd lose in a lawsuit. You can't even nail down how many you've actually opened, is it 20 or 30?
Even 20 would be way below 1 in 3 odds... so that is pointless to bring up.
Second, why would anyone count when playing a game especially when I know how to flip cards and make the mondy anyway.
Third, and most importantly MONEY!!!!! you can buy stubs people pay money for them! If you go play the lottery it's highly regulated and statisticians must get it exactly right or they will crumble under lawsuits.
I wouldn't pay for stubs, but people do and if they're being sold for a product that doesn't give them what it promised it's a problem.
also I got a great deal on snake oil for ya - cures everything ever - just hit me up
It's not pointless to bring up, any court case needs concrete data, if you can't provide that, then you will be laughed out.
Also I'd read my comment again very slowly, about the risk vs reward on SDS's sides, it's heavily skewed towards them losing, they would be posterboys for bad microtransactions and probably be sued into bankruptcy.
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Gotta pick the right jersey
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@the_dragon1912 said in Headliners choice pack question:
@mrkat_psn said in Headliners choice pack question:
@the_dragon1912 said in Headliners choice pack question:
@eatyum_psn said in Headliners choice pack question:
@the_dragon1912 said in Headliners choice pack question:
First of all every 90+ is considered a high diamond. You can't even get low diamonds in the headliner choice pack. It's just 1:3 odds or 33%. Odds in whether you get a headliner card or a live series round isn't stated. Hard to file a lawsuit if your own understanding if how it works is wrong
You can get a low diamond ls choice round instead of headliner choice round in the pack
You can? I've only seen headliners, 90+ live series, and golds
on PS press square and it advertises odds... no idea on other systems.
My apologies, I could have swore it was only 1:3 for a 90+ and 1:1 for gold
I have only got 90+ and golds too... although one was Arenado when he was expensive early... so I cashed it for live series. Worthless now.
I've at least got Tatis off regular packs this year, past years have got Trout off em twice... but you get so many of em who knows the odds.
I know the system isn't completely broken, just maybe flawed in what it advertises.
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@eatyum_psn said in Headliners choice pack question:
@mrkat_psn said in Headliners choice pack question:
@eatyum_psn said in Headliners choice pack question:
Lol. Ask yourself what they have to gain by lying, certainly not enough money for the millions they'd lose in a lawsuit. You can't even nail down how many you've actually opened, is it 20 or 30?
Even 20 would be way below 1 in 3 odds... so that is pointless to bring up.
Second, why would anyone count when playing a game especially when I know how to flip cards and make the mondy anyway.
Third, and most importantly MONEY!!!!! you can buy stubs people pay money for them! If you go play the lottery it's highly regulated and statisticians must get it exactly right or they will crumble under lawsuits.
I wouldn't pay for stubs, but people do and if they're being sold for a product that doesn't give them what it promised it's a problem.
also I got a great deal on snake oil for ya - cures everything ever - just hit me up
It's not pointless to bring up, any court case needs concrete data, if you can't provide that, then you will be laughed out.
Also I'd read my comment again very slowly, about the risk vs reward on SDS's sides, it's heavily skewed towards losing, they would be posterboys for bad microtransactions and probably be sued into bankruptcy.
Thus, why I said subpoena the data. You don't have to actually sue if you raise reasonable concern, and they can prove their innocence with a simple release.
And bad programming happens all the time. It doesn't need to be nefarious. A single digit could be ripping off thousands of dollars just because of a mistake.
Also, don't be a tool. It's always profit over people. That is capitalism. You are only worth the money you provide or have in America.
Money is power, and greed is good.
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@mrkat_psn said in Headliners choice pack question:
@eatyum_psn said in Headliners choice pack question:
@mrkat_psn said in Headliners choice pack question:
@eatyum_psn said in Headliners choice pack question:
Lol. Ask yourself what they have to gain by lying, certainly not enough money for the millions they'd lose in a lawsuit. You can't even nail down how many you've actually opened, is it 20 or 30?
Even 20 would be way below 1 in 3 odds... so that is pointless to bring up.
Second, why would anyone count when playing a game especially when I know how to flip cards and make the mondy anyway.
Third, and most importantly MONEY!!!!! you can buy stubs people pay money for them! If you go play the lottery it's highly regulated and statisticians must get it exactly right or they will crumble under lawsuits.
I wouldn't pay for stubs, but people do and if they're being sold for a product that doesn't give them what it promised it's a problem.
also I got a great deal on snake oil for ya - cures everything ever - just hit me up
It's not pointless to bring up, any court case needs concrete data, if you can't provide that, then you will be laughed out.
Also I'd read my comment again very slowly, about the risk vs reward on SDS's sides, it's heavily skewed towards losing, they would be posterboys for bad microtransactions and probably be sued into bankruptcy.
Thus, why I said subpoena the data. You don't have to actually sue if you raise reasonable concern, and they can prove their innocence with a simple release.
And bad programming happens all the time. It doesn't need to be nefarious. A single digit could be ripping off thousands of dollars just because of a mistake.
Also, don't be a tool. It's always profit over people. That is capitalism. You are only worth the money you provide or have in America.
Money is power, and greed is good.
Where is your reasonable concern considering you can't even say how many you've opened? Do you think a judge is going to take you seriously?
Tbh you are just another person who really doesn't understand the legal system, but really wants to sound like you do.
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@oppotacoz_mlbts said in Headliners choice pack question:
Gotta pick the right jersey
I like this thinking... I just always go for the "new release exclusive" jersey.
Could very well be tied.
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@eatyum_psn said in Headliners choice pack question:
@mrkat_psn said in Headliners choice pack question:
@eatyum_psn said in Headliners choice pack question:
@mrkat_psn said in Headliners choice pack question:
@eatyum_psn said in Headliners choice pack question:
Lol. Ask yourself what they have to gain by lying, certainly not enough money for the millions they'd lose in a lawsuit. You can't even nail down how many you've actually opened, is it 20 or 30?
Even 20 would be way below 1 in 3 odds... so that is pointless to bring up.
Second, why would anyone count when playing a game especially when I know how to flip cards and make the mondy anyway.
Third, and most importantly MONEY!!!!! you can buy stubs people pay money for them! If you go play the lottery it's highly regulated and statisticians must get it exactly right or they will crumble under lawsuits.
I wouldn't pay for stubs, but people do and if they're being sold for a product that doesn't give them what it promised it's a problem.
also I got a great deal on snake oil for ya - cures everything ever - just hit me up
It's not pointless to bring up, any court case needs concrete data, if you can't provide that, then you will be laughed out.
Also I'd read my comment again very slowly, about the risk vs reward on SDS's sides, it's heavily skewed towards losing, they would be posterboys for bad microtransactions and probably be sued into bankruptcy.
Thus, why I said subpoena the data. You don't have to actually sue if you raise reasonable concern, and they can prove their innocence with a simple release.
And bad programming happens all the time. It doesn't need to be nefarious. A single digit could be ripping off thousands of dollars just because of a mistake.
Also, don't be a tool. It's always profit over people. That is capitalism. You are only worth the money you provide or have in America.
Money is power, and greed is good.
Where is your reasonable concern considering you can't even say how many you've opened? Do you think a judge is going to take you seriously?
I can't file a subpoena. I am not a lawyer/atty.
And a judge would literally take a represented group on their word as it would be a simple thing for a company to prove.
It would be a small ask, especially on a simple data request which involves nothing proprietary just that a company is providing what it advertised, which happen all the time.
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@mrkat_psn said in Headliners choice pack question:
@eatyum_psn said in Headliners choice pack question:
@mrkat_psn said in Headliners choice pack question:
@eatyum_psn said in Headliners choice pack question:
@mrkat_psn said in Headliners choice pack question:
@eatyum_psn said in Headliners choice pack question:
Lol. Ask yourself what they have to gain by lying, certainly not enough money for the millions they'd lose in a lawsuit. You can't even nail down how many you've actually opened, is it 20 or 30?
Even 20 would be way below 1 in 3 odds... so that is pointless to bring up.
Second, why would anyone count when playing a game especially when I know how to flip cards and make the mondy anyway.
Third, and most importantly MONEY!!!!! you can buy stubs people pay money for them! If you go play the lottery it's highly regulated and statisticians must get it exactly right or they will crumble under lawsuits.
I wouldn't pay for stubs, but people do and if they're being sold for a product that doesn't give them what it promised it's a problem.
also I got a great deal on snake oil for ya - cures everything ever - just hit me up
It's not pointless to bring up, any court case needs concrete data, if you can't provide that, then you will be laughed out.
Also I'd read my comment again very slowly, about the risk vs reward on SDS's sides, it's heavily skewed towards losing, they would be posterboys for bad microtransactions and probably be sued into bankruptcy.
Thus, why I said subpoena the data. You don't have to actually sue if you raise reasonable concern, and they can prove their innocence with a simple release.
And bad programming happens all the time. It doesn't need to be nefarious. A single digit could be ripping off thousands of dollars just because of a mistake.
Also, don't be a tool. It's always profit over people. That is capitalism. You are only worth the money you provide or have in America.
Money is power, and greed is good.
Where is your reasonable concern considering you can't even say how many you've opened? Do you think a judge is going to take you seriously?
I can't file a subpoena. I am not a lawyer/atty.
And a judge would literally take a represented group on their word as it would be a simple thing for a company to prove.
It would be a small ask, especially on a simple data request which involves nothing proprietary just that a company is providing what it advertised, which happen all the time.
Take you at your word that you don't know how many you've opened?
So since it happens all the time, please answer why EA or SDS hasn't been served a subpeona yet? If it's that simple, it would have happened years ago
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@eatyum_psn said in Headliners choice pack question:
@mrkat_psn said in Headliners choice pack question:
@eatyum_psn said in Headliners choice pack question:
@mrkat_psn said in Headliners choice pack question:
@eatyum_psn said in Headliners choice pack question:
@mrkat_psn said in Headliners choice pack question:
@eatyum_psn said in Headliners choice pack question:
Lol. Ask yourself what they have to gain by lying, certainly not enough money for the millions they'd lose in a lawsuit. You can't even nail down how many you've actually opened, is it 20 or 30?
Even 20 would be way below 1 in 3 odds... so that is pointless to bring up.
Second, why would anyone count when playing a game especially when I know how to flip cards and make the mondy anyway.
Third, and most importantly MONEY!!!!! you can buy stubs people pay money for them! If you go play the lottery it's highly regulated and statisticians must get it exactly right or they will crumble under lawsuits.
I wouldn't pay for stubs, but people do and if they're being sold for a product that doesn't give them what it promised it's a problem.
also I got a great deal on snake oil for ya - cures everything ever - just hit me up
It's not pointless to bring up, any court case needs concrete data, if you can't provide that, then you will be laughed out.
Also I'd read my comment again very slowly, about the risk vs reward on SDS's sides, it's heavily skewed towards losing, they would be posterboys for bad microtransactions and probably be sued into bankruptcy.
Thus, why I said subpoena the data. You don't have to actually sue if you raise reasonable concern, and they can prove their innocence with a simple release.
And bad programming happens all the time. It doesn't need to be nefarious. A single digit could be ripping off thousands of dollars just because of a mistake.
Also, don't be a tool. It's always profit over people. That is capitalism. You are only worth the money you provide or have in America.
Money is power, and greed is good.
Where is your reasonable concern considering you can't even say how many you've opened? Do you think a judge is going to take you seriously?
I can't file a subpoena. I am not a lawyer/atty.
And a judge would literally take a represented group on their word as it would be a simple thing for a company to prove.
It would be a small ask, especially on a simple data request which involves nothing proprietary just that a company is providing what it advertised, which happen all the time.
Take you at your word that you don't know how many you've opened?
So since it happens all the time, please answer why EA or SDS hasn't been served a subpeona yet? If it's that simple, it would have happened years ago
Because no one cares it's a video game. Many gamers aren't taken care of and exposed to micro-transaction warfare by companies. I get it you love SDS and hope they get rich off people.
I'm not even advocating a suit or anything. I'm just saying I'd like to see they're providing what their promising especially because I haven't really seen the odds they're promising. If people are buying stubs with real money, and getting ripped off - go ahead and defend that. I don't like to see that.
Again full disclosure- when I buy the show... which i have many times... I buy it and get through by never paying a dime more. That's me. I can get 100K-300K Stubs in an hour no problem at the right times.
I was worried about the people that pay. You keep worrying about Sony with a market cap of $105B although an awful showing with a 35% ytd market drop on NYSE.
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@mrkat_psn said in Headliners choice pack question:
@eatyum_psn said in Headliners choice pack question:
@mrkat_psn said in Headliners choice pack question:
@eatyum_psn said in Headliners choice pack question:
@mrkat_psn said in Headliners choice pack question:
@eatyum_psn said in Headliners choice pack question:
@mrkat_psn said in Headliners choice pack question:
@eatyum_psn said in Headliners choice pack question:
Lol. Ask yourself what they have to gain by lying, certainly not enough money for the millions they'd lose in a lawsuit. You can't even nail down how many you've actually opened, is it 20 or 30?
Even 20 would be way below 1 in 3 odds... so that is pointless to bring up.
Second, why would anyone count when playing a game especially when I know how to flip cards and make the mondy anyway.
Third, and most importantly MONEY!!!!! you can buy stubs people pay money for them! If you go play the lottery it's highly regulated and statisticians must get it exactly right or they will crumble under lawsuits.
I wouldn't pay for stubs, but people do and if they're being sold for a product that doesn't give them what it promised it's a problem.
also I got a great deal on snake oil for ya - cures everything ever - just hit me up
It's not pointless to bring up, any court case needs concrete data, if you can't provide that, then you will be laughed out.
Also I'd read my comment again very slowly, about the risk vs reward on SDS's sides, it's heavily skewed towards losing, they would be posterboys for bad microtransactions and probably be sued into bankruptcy.
Thus, why I said subpoena the data. You don't have to actually sue if you raise reasonable concern, and they can prove their innocence with a simple release.
And bad programming happens all the time. It doesn't need to be nefarious. A single digit could be ripping off thousands of dollars just because of a mistake.
Also, don't be a tool. It's always profit over people. That is capitalism. You are only worth the money you provide or have in America.
Money is power, and greed is good.
Where is your reasonable concern considering you can't even say how many you've opened? Do you think a judge is going to take you seriously?
I can't file a subpoena. I am not a lawyer/atty.
And a judge would literally take a represented group on their word as it would be a simple thing for a company to prove.
It would be a small ask, especially on a simple data request which involves nothing proprietary just that a company is providing what it advertised, which happen all the time.
Take you at your word that you don't know how many you've opened?
So since it happens all the time, please answer why EA or SDS hasn't been served a subpeona yet? If it's that simple, it would have happened years ago
Because no one cares it's a video game. Many gamers aren't taken care of and exposed to micro-transaction warfare by companies. I get it you love SDS and hope they get rich off people.
I'm not even advocating a suit or anything. I'm just saying I'd like to see they're providing what their promising especially because I haven't really seen the odds they're promising. If people are buying stubs with real money, and getting ripped off - go ahead and defend that. I don't like to see that.
Again full disclosure- when I buy the show... which i have many times... I buy it and get through by never paying a dime more. That's me. I can get 100K-300K in an hour no problem at the right times.
I was worried about the people that pay. You keep worrying about Sony with a market cap of $105B although an awful showing with a 35% ytd market drop on NYSE.
If you think no one cares because it's a "video game", then there is no point to this conversation, you are delusional, There are plenty of passionate people who would be more then happy to do that if it were that simple
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@eatyum_psn said in Headliners choice pack question:
@mrkat_psn said in Headliners choice pack question:
@eatyum_psn said in Headliners choice pack question:
@mrkat_psn said in Headliners choice pack question:
@eatyum_psn said in Headliners choice pack question:
@mrkat_psn said in Headliners choice pack question:
@eatyum_psn said in Headliners choice pack question:
@mrkat_psn said in Headliners choice pack question:
@eatyum_psn said in Headliners choice pack question:
Lol. Ask yourself what they have to gain by lying, certainly not enough money for the millions they'd lose in a lawsuit. You can't even nail down how many you've actually opened, is it 20 or 30?
Even 20 would be way below 1 in 3 odds... so that is pointless to bring up.
Second, why would anyone count when playing a game especially when I know how to flip cards and make the mondy anyway.
Third, and most importantly MONEY!!!!! you can buy stubs people pay money for them! If you go play the lottery it's highly regulated and statisticians must get it exactly right or they will crumble under lawsuits.
I wouldn't pay for stubs, but people do and if they're being sold for a product that doesn't give them what it promised it's a problem.
also I got a great deal on snake oil for ya - cures everything ever - just hit me up
It's not pointless to bring up, any court case needs concrete data, if you can't provide that, then you will be laughed out.
Also I'd read my comment again very slowly, about the risk vs reward on SDS's sides, it's heavily skewed towards losing, they would be posterboys for bad microtransactions and probably be sued into bankruptcy.
Thus, why I said subpoena the data. You don't have to actually sue if you raise reasonable concern, and they can prove their innocence with a simple release.
And bad programming happens all the time. It doesn't need to be nefarious. A single digit could be ripping off thousands of dollars just because of a mistake.
Also, don't be a tool. It's always profit over people. That is capitalism. You are only worth the money you provide or have in America.
Money is power, and greed is good.
Where is your reasonable concern considering you can't even say how many you've opened? Do you think a judge is going to take you seriously?
I can't file a subpoena. I am not a lawyer/atty.
And a judge would literally take a represented group on their word as it would be a simple thing for a company to prove.
It would be a small ask, especially on a simple data request which involves nothing proprietary just that a company is providing what it advertised, which happen all the time.
Take you at your word that you don't know how many you've opened?
So since it happens all the time, please answer why EA or SDS hasn't been served a subpeona yet? If it's that simple, it would have happened years ago
Because no one cares it's a video game. Many gamers aren't taken care of and exposed to micro-transaction warfare by companies. I get it you love SDS and hope they get rich off people.
I'm not even advocating a suit or anything. I'm just saying I'd like to see they're providing what their promising especially because I haven't really seen the odds they're promising. If people are buying stubs with real money, and getting ripped off - go ahead and defend that. I don't like to see that.
Again full disclosure- when I buy the show... which i have many times... I buy it and get through by never paying a dime more. That's me. I can get 100K-300K in an hour no problem at the right times.
I was worried about the people that pay. You keep worrying about Sony with a market cap of $105B although an awful showing with a 35% ytd market drop on NYSE.
If you think no one cares because it's a "video game", then there is no point to this conversation, you are delusional, There are plenty of passionate people who would be more then happy to do that if it were that simple
You are right. It is not that simple. I have made it out that way, and that is wrong.
Involves much more than a piece of paper. Which is why stuff like this isn't typically done. Not unheard of, but not typical.
Like I said I couldn't do it, nor do I actually accuse them of wrong, I'm just saying my experience doesn't back up their advertised numbers... ever in any year... for all I know profiles who start with the letter Z get 1:1 and M gets 1:10 and it all balances out. Who knows.
Just seeing what other people thought.
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1:3 odds doesn't mean that 1 out of every 3 you buy will contain a Diamond. It means that 1 out of every 3 SOLD should contain a Diamond.
You may buy 3 packs back-to-back-back; but if 1000's of other people are buying them at the same time......
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I still believe that there a certain times more diamonds are pulled…at least in regards to standard packs. I would assume the same for Headliner Choice. Anytime there is a stub sale I pull more diamonds.
My completely unfounded theory is large amounts of diamonds are in packs during this time, which causes people to buy more stubs and profit SDS more. This then balances out the numbers from other times of the year and the stated odds are accurate. I also think it applies right after launch as there are probably more stubs purchased at that time than any other time during the year.
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Exactly what would you sue them for?
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@dlgltal-athlete_psn said in Headliners choice pack question:
1:3 odds doesn't mean that 1 out of every 3 you buy will contain a Diamond. It means that 1 out of every 3 SOLD should contain a Diamond.
You may buy 3 packs back-to-back-back; but if 1000's of other people are buying them at the same time......
I was told there would be no math.
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@painpa_psn said in Headliners choice pack question:
Exactly what would you sue them for?
You said you dont buy stubs and the packs you opened were rewards from completing content.No, I've bought every choice pack this year, but have never paid for stubs. People do, and do buy stubs to afford the costs of that. Also, I would say somewhere down the line the flipped cards I used were paid for by someone. That's still money.
Not arguing for a suit, or saying there is a wrongdoing, but my individual experience does not reflect their advertised "odds" which involve transactions with an in-game monetized currency.
Again moreso - is there actually data to support they are actually providing 1:3/1:3 Diamonds? If not they are advertising that and even a fraction off could be taking money from actual people out there.
I really, really don't understand why so many people are so behind a multibillion dollar company that could easily provide the data.
I care for the people who work there, but if it could be no people and all profit, the board would make that decision in a second. I'm lost in why if an algorithm that might be taking money from people is a good thing to defend.
(full disclosure - I have bought and some sold shares of SONY - and have made a minor profit, but wouldn't defend any company even ones I still own.
It's foolish because the capitalist system we live in dictates that you all only matter as far as your contribution to the overall profit of these companies. If a .011 difference could make a difference in monetization albeit harming people with little chance of repercussion its worth it.
Sacklers are living high as billionaires after knowingly their choices killed people... absolutely no admission of guilt although their company was guilty of felonies. Greed is good!)
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Oh my!!! Yet another "I'm going to get a lawyer because of pack odds" post!!!
Not a single other person has ever brought a lawsuit...or even found a lawyer who would entertain the idea of bringing a lawsuit over pack odds...I wonder why?
Oh, it's because it would be a frivolous lawsuit that has a 0% chance of winning and not worth their time. That is even with them charging you money for their time, all the lawyers would rather spend their time on lawsuits that aren't frivolous and are worth the time and effort to litigate!
Odds of finding a lawyer to litigate pack odds is worse than the odds of pulling Trout from a standard Show pack!!!
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@dap1234567890 said in Headliners choice pack question:
Oh my!!! Yet another "I'm going to get a lawyer because of pack odds" post!!!
Not a single other person has ever brought a lawsuit...or even found a lawyer who would entertain the idea of bringing a lawsuit over pack odds...I wonder why?
Oh, it's because it would be a frivolous lawsuit that has a 0% chance of winning and not worth their time. That is even with them charging you money for their time, all the lawyers would rather spend their time on lawsuits that aren't frivolous and are worth the time and effort to litigate!
Odds of finding a lawyer to litigate pack odds is worse than the odds of pulling Trout from a standard Show pack!!!
again pulled trout twice so those odds are better 17/18.
Most attorneys don't give a [censored] about chance of winning, it's about who is paying. Attorneys don't really benefit in the outcome just how much they're paid.
Look at all the election lawsuits over 2020 general... none stood a chance. 80+ suits and those hundreds if not thousands of attorneys had no problems although they knew it was a waste of time. Lol in fact, discovery in most of those cases proved the other side was committing election fraud, so they hurt their clients and went home with a nice pretty check.
