Has there been a bigger snub
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@quinnymcquinn_mlbts said in Has there been a bigger snub:
@go4stros25_psn said in Has there been a bigger snub:
@the_dragon1912 said in Has there been a bigger snub:
@go4stros25_psn said in Has there been a bigger snub:
@the_dragon1912 said in Has there been a bigger snub:
3 pitchers were snubbed for the atrocity that was Rick Porcello's Cy Young in 2016
I remember that year. Britton was a leading story all year, ended the year only giving up 4 runs the entire season. Curious who you thought the 3 snubbed pitchers were. I would say verlander and britton for sure. who's your 3rd? Kluber?
Yeah Kluber. Sale might even have been a better choice than Porcello. It's I'm fairly certain the only time in the history of CY young voting that someone that had more than 1 or 2 less 1st place votes won. Verlander had 14 first place votes to Porcello's 8. Thanks to 2 AL east beat writer losers that left Verlander off the ballot to give Porcello a chance
I can't stand baseball writers. So much of baseball is truly beyond me. Unathletic writers controlling awards and turning the HOF ballots into popularity contest and rumor mills, fans voting for the all stars, the top 2 teams having higher salaries than the bottom 2/3 of the league combined. Crazy game that somtimes feels like it hasn't adapted to the modern age imo.
Baseball is slow. The game is slow. Any changes, no matter how much sense they make are slow. Even something as simple as netting down the lines in the stands took years. Financially these top market teams make these bottom 2/3 payroll teams profitable. So the owners aren’t in a rush to change that. Don’t even mention a salary cap. That’s taboo.
League needs a Salary floor. The whole small market/big market nonsense is just an excuse for owners to be cheap. There is no such thing as small market teams in anything but baseball
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Not sure if its bigger, but still think Altuve winning it in 2017 over Judge was laughable imo. Especially since baseball has moved to advance metrics and OPS as a better indicator of performance over batting average.
Altuve had the advantage in hits/average and like stolen bases. Judge led in everything else that was meaningful. Not only did he set the rookie HR record (until Alonso the following year), he lead the league in runs, hrs, BBs (and yes Ks). Not to mention the Yankees were a year removed from missing the playoffs and finishing 4th and expected to finish last in the ALE, yet won 91 games (2nd place ALE) and went all the way to the CS. The man literally carried that Yankees team.
Altuve - WAR 7.7 , .346 / .410 / .547 / .957 - 112 R, 204H, 24 HR, 81 RBI, 58 BB, 84K
Judge - WAR 8.0, .284 / .422 / .627 / 1.049 - 128 R, 154H 52 HR, 114 RBI, 127BB, 208K -
@khain24_psn said in Has there been a bigger snub:
Not sure if its bigger, but still think Altuve winning it in 2017 over Judge was laughable imo. Especially since baseball has moved to advance metrics and OPS as a better indicator of performance over batting average.
Altuve had the advantage in hits/average and like stolen bases. Judge led in everything else that was meaningful. Not only did he set the rookie HR record (until Alonso the following year), he lead the league in runs, hrs, BBs (and yes Ks). Not to mention the Yankees were a year removed from missing the playoffs and finishing 4th and expected to finish last in the ALE, yet won 91 games (2nd place ALE) and went all the way to the CS. The man literally carried that Yankees team.
Altuve - WAR 7.7 , .346 / .410 / .547 / .957 - 112 R, 204H, 24 HR, 81 RBI, 58 BB, 84K
Judge - WAR 8.0, .284 / .422 / .627 / 1.049 - 128 R, 154H 52 HR, 114 RBI, 127BB, 208KI'm an astros fan and even I agree judge should have been mvp that year. I felt like they gave it to altuve because of the years he had strung together. Also they knew judge was going to be hands down roty.
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@arvcpa_psn said in Has there been a bigger snub:
A far bigger snub was "Citizen Kane" losing Best Picture to "How Green was my Valley". A travesty!
A far bigger snub was "Citizen Kane" losing Best Picture to "How Green was my Valley". A travesty!
Yeah I used to think that also. However, while CK is legendary, HGWMV was like this year's Derby winner, who had his epic moment. HGWMV is an excellent film regarding Welsh miners. The economic, social, and family dynamics were well depicted and still relevant today. Both are excellent films.
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Iron Maiden not being in the 'Rock And Roll HOF '
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@go4stros25_psn said in Has there been a bigger snub:
@khain24_psn said in Has there been a bigger snub:
Not sure if its bigger, but still think Altuve winning it in 2017 over Judge was laughable imo. Especially since baseball has moved to advance metrics and OPS as a better indicator of performance over batting average.
Altuve had the advantage in hits/average and like stolen bases. Judge led in everything else that was meaningful. Not only did he set the rookie HR record (until Alonso the following year), he lead the league in runs, hrs, BBs (and yes Ks). Not to mention the Yankees were a year removed from missing the playoffs and finishing 4th and expected to finish last in the ALE, yet won 91 games (2nd place ALE) and went all the way to the CS. The man literally carried that Yankees team.
Altuve - WAR 7.7 , .346 / .410 / .547 / .957 - 112 R, 204H, 24 HR, 81 RBI, 58 BB, 84K
Judge - WAR 8.0, .284 / .422 / .627 / 1.049 - 128 R, 154H 52 HR, 114 RBI, 127BB, 208KI'm an astros fan and even I agree judge should have been mvp that year. I felt like they gave it to altuve because of the years he had strung together. Also they knew judge was going to be hands down roty.
I think it was due to Judges slump in 2nd part of July and really really bad August after the AS break/HRD. Altuve was consistent but Judge had the above stats after factoring in his Aug -- .185 / .353 / .326 / .680 with only 3 HRs. He then rebounded in Sept with an average over .300 and OPS of 1.352 (15HRs). If he had even a marginally better August, he'd hit 60+ hrs and still have the rookie record.
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@thegoaler_psn said in Has there been a bigger snub:
Iron Maiden not being in the 'Rock And Roll HOF '
Complete joke.Agree. There's a few of those including Motley. The fact that they want to put Dolly Parton in is laughable.
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@quinnymcquinn_mlbts said in Has there been a bigger snub:
@arvcpa_psn said in Has there been a bigger snub:
A far bigger snub was "Citizen Kane" losing Best Picture to "How Green was my Valley". A travesty!
I bet all my BFF's out here didn't realize I was a film buff. I'm quite the Renaissance man.
Well more recently Shakespeare in love beat out Saving private Ryan. 20 years later one movie is thought to be an all time war classic the other no one remembers it being made
️Hey I like Shakespeare on Love.
I mean Saving Private Ryan in the superior film. But I like Shakespeare better.
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@d_e_m_i_s_e_psn said in Has there been a bigger snub:
@thegoaler_psn said in Has there been a bigger snub:
Iron Maiden not being in the 'Rock And Roll HOF '
Complete joke.Agree. There's a few of those including Motley. The fact that they want to put Dolly Parton in is laughable.
At this point they just need to call it a Music Hall of Fame. It stopped being "rock and roll" years ago.
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Other Oscar snubs include:
My Fair Lady beating Dr Strangelove
Ghandi beating ET
Crash over Brokeback Mountain
The Greatest Show on Earth over High Noon
And perhaps the worst snub of all time... Rin Tin Tin (who received the most votes) losing best actor to Emil Jannings at the first Academy Awards. -
The coors stigma is easily the worst thing about baseball. It doesn't help that majority of people don't fully understand the boon and detriment of playing at coors field.
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@arvcpa_psn said in Has there been a bigger snub:
A far bigger snub was "Citizen Kane" losing Best Picture to "How Green was my Valley". A travesty!
I bet all my BFF's out here didn't realize I was a film buff. I'm quite the Renaissance man.
May not be a popular opinion, but I still haven’t forgiven the Academy for picking Forrest Gump over The Shawshank Redemption.
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@trevor-story said in Has there been a bigger snub:
The coors stigma is easily the worst thing about baseball. It doesn't help that majority of people don't fully understand the boon and detriment of playing at coors field.
Meanwhile, a middle school kid could bang a double off the wall in Boston.
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@random_schmuck_psn said in Has there been a bigger snub:
@trevor-story said in Has there been a bigger snub:
The coors stigma is easily the worst thing about baseball. It doesn't help that majority of people don't fully understand the boon and detriment of playing at coors field.
Meanwhile, a middle school kid could bang a double off the wall in Boston.
Thats a HR in the little league park known as Yankee Stadium good sir.
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@random_schmuck_psn said in Has there been a bigger snub:
@arvcpa_psn said in Has there been a bigger snub:
A far bigger snub was "Citizen Kane" losing Best Picture to "How Green was my Valley". A travesty!
I bet all my BFF's out here didn't realize I was a film buff. I'm quite the Renaissance man.
May not be a popular opinion, but I still haven’t forgiven the Academy for picking Forrest Gump over The Shawshank Redemption.
Thats actually a tough call. I absolutely love both movies, but I think I too would go with Forrest Gump.
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Two words: Coors Field
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On a more serious note: Ted Williams won the triple crown in 1942 and 1947 but did not win the MVP either year. Williams led the eventual winner (1942 Joe Gordon / 1947 Joe Dimaggio) in every offensive catagory except stolen bases those seasons.
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@random_schmuck_psn said in Has there been a bigger snub:
@arvcpa_psn said in Has there been a bigger snub:
A far bigger snub was "Citizen Kane" losing Best Picture to "How Green was my Valley". A travesty!
I bet all my BFF's out here didn't realize I was a film buff. I'm quite the Renaissance man.
May not be a popular opinion, but I still haven’t forgiven the Academy for picking Forrest Gump over The Shawshank Redemption.
Loved both but Shawshank is in my top 5 of all time.
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Shawshank became more of thing because it was always on TBS, but at the time Forest Gump was the bigger movie... Same with Pulp Fiction that year... Years later Shawshank and Pulp are the better received films. It’s like how Dances with Wolves beat Goodfellas (R I P Ray) at the 91 oscars.
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@go4stros25_psn said in Has there been a bigger snub:
Than Todd Helton not winning the NL MVP in 2000? Jeff Kent won it that year but if you look at the stats I just can't see why.
Jeff Kent/helton in 2000
Hits- 196 / 216
Avg- .334 / .372
HRs- 33 / 42
Rbis- 125 / 147To make it even more confusing Todd Helton finished 5th in mvp voting this year. Was anyone watching ball back then and have any insight into this season? Was it coors field?
I don't really see that as a snub. Yes, individually, Helton had a bit of a better season. But it wasn't by a wide enough margin considering he was on an 82 win team and Kent was on a 97 win team.
A snub would be someone like Mo Vaughn winning over Albert Belle or Edgar Martinez. Or Juan Gonzalez winning over anyone or again Juan Gonzalez winning over anyone.
