Bots ruining the market?
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One thing that's become apparent is the use of bots in the market and they are ruining it for everyone else.
How can I tell? Massive amounts of buy/sell orders on cards that, traditionally, never had such larger order quantities on them. They may have had a lot of individual orders or a handful at different amounts but we're into the 10-15+ on these cards. These aren't your 100 stub cards either. 3 and 4K cards are having these large buy/sell order quantities on them that, like I said, never happened in the past.
Additionally, on cards where you, traditionally, might have large buy orders it's gotten worse even when there are almost no reason to have them - only few opportunities for exchanges so far this year but why are cards sitting with 300 buy orders at 5 stubs or 300 sell orders at 30 stubs? No single person is wasting their time doing that. They are using a bot.
Yes I'm a flipper so this impacts me a bit (im still in a position to have collections done today or tomorrow) but ultimately it impacts everyone.
Also, the late night transfer of stubs using obscure diamond items like sponsorships are growing it seems.
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My gut response is, "tinfoil hats." But...maybe?
And flipping SUCKS. So if there are bots shooing you away from that, be thankful while being resentful. (Of course, kidding -- you do what you enjoy.)
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@suntlacrimae50_mlbts said in Bots ruining the market?:
My gut response is, "tinfoil hats." But...maybe?
In other games they definitely exist and SDS has always been really good about keeping this type of thing on lockdown but the behavior is so far outside the norm of typical that it seems the only logical explanations are 1) people are truly idiots to be wasting that kind of time putting in 300 buy orders to make a 20 stub profit on each one; or 2) bots are being used.
Things are just really weird in the market this year. Like really weird lol
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Agreed something is wrong
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A. How do you know it’s one guy putting in 300 orders and not 300 people putting in one order?
B. the user base has tripled (more or less) in the past 15 months.
C. DD has had a similar setup for 4 years running outside of a few changes (Ranked rewards for innings here, TA replaced there) and people have caught on to how to play “the game within the game”.
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I really dont think bots would help with the way the show's AH is set up. Now Madden definitely uses bots simply because of the starting prices, buy now prices and lenght of auction can all be altered. I think what you are seeing with the Show is people using the app and trying to make massive flips of one card (even if it is a relatively unknown name) since regular flipping this year does not exist. As for equipment being priced weird at night, that has always been the case.
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Have you even used the app? It take 10 seconds to place 50 orders at the same price. I really don't think there are bots out there. The apps ease of use combined with showzone are why margins suck
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I can say that yes people put in 300 buy orders for 5 stubs on commons. I am actively doing it right now. I don’t go that high but I’ll put in a 100 on this guy a 100 on another.
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The app has made this type of behavior a lot easier and more common. I don’t do it, but like the guy above said, people do.
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Also when people are putting in that many buy orders for a common at 5 stubs, there may not be much reward but there is also no risk which is about all you can do in the market at this time.
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I could definitely see bots existing, but I think the app is the bigger/biggest issue. When I see a decent margin (4k card) I put in a buy order…once in a bit I will get frisky and put two in to save time. Then I walk away and come back and some bonehead has 10 orders in and then another on top of him has 20 in. It just gets out of hand until the margin is gone.
It is not hard to see margins, but up until the app it took more effort to buy and sell. In the past big flippers would use the site, but that takes away a huge percentage of possible flippers because most people today live on their phone and are not going to put forth the effort to grab a laptop. Again, not saying there are not bots, but the app is definitely the bigger issue.
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@crash447_xbl said in Bots ruining the market?:
I could definitely see bots existing, but I think the app is the bigger/biggest issue. When I see a decent margin (4k card) I put in a buy order…once in a bit I will get frisky and put two in to save time. Then I walk away and come back and some bonehead has 10 orders in and then another on top of him has 20 in. It just gets out of hand until the margin is gone.
It is not hard to see margins, but up until the app it took more effort to buy and sell. In the past big flippers would use the site, but that takes away a huge percentage of possible flippers because most people today live on their phone and are not going to put forth the effort to grab a laptop. Again, not saying there are not bots, but the app is definitely the bigger issue.
This guys nailed it.
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@the_dragon1912 said in Bots ruining the market?:
It take 10 seconds to place 50 orders at the same price. I really don't think there are bots out there.
Maybe "bots", but I think this is the answer ^^^^ - the App.
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They need to bring back a cap of how many orders you can do at once. Not the 20 of 2018 I think? But maybe 50/100 at a time.
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@lewisnadasurf1_psn said in Bots ruining the market?:
They need to bring back a cap of how many orders you can do at once. Not the 20 of 2018 I think? But maybe 50/100 at a time.
Agreed. Solves the problem without getting rid of the app. The margins don't go anywhere because these people are causing massive backlogs
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Yep -- app for sure, and user base doubling or more. Much more persuasive argument than bots.
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The app is the one portal where you don't have to re-enter the purchase amount. So I can put in a buy order for quick sale amount and just keep tapping my phone while working or watching tv, or in between pitches of a game, and there is absolutely zero risk in losing stubs. I doubt that there are bots placing orders but I have long suspected that SDS will periodically buy cards out of the market. For example if I buy 1000 bubble gums for 25 and list them all for 40 it makes no sense to me that months into the game cycle people are still finding the need to buy my gum. I suspect when a cards market stagnates the game buys the orders and removes them from the market.
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@suntlacrimae50_mlbts said in Bots ruining the market?:
My gut response is, "tinfoil hats." But...maybe?
And flipping SUCKS. So if there are bots shooing you away from that, be thankful while being resentful. (Of course, kidding -- you do what you enjoy.)
flipping doesnt suck, the people who already capped their stub count will tell you its not sucky, its actually the same.
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It’s the app and everyone knows how to flip... Every other forum on this site is either blasting SDS for gameplay or about flipping... SDS puts out the best ultimate team mode in sports... I’m sorry everyone has caught on to flipping, but in August people leave for madden and the margins should increase.
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No tinfoil hat my buddy had a guy on discord who made a site that could just auto flip cards on 21 basically just all the stubs you want at the push of a button
