Jack Leiter’s first start
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@schwizzle_nizzle said in Jack Leiter’s first start:
@daddydingerz_psn said in Jack Leiter’s first start:
Just watched his first start in AA. They only let him go 3 innings, but he still managed to get 7 Ks. I was fortunate to get pretty good seats behind home plate, and oh my, this dude can throw. One of the best curveballs I’ve seen in person (best was Zito). Hope he turns out well, because the Rangers could sure use some pitching.
Dr Pepper stadium? I need to get there for another game. That place is lively and fun af!
Yessir! That was my first game there. Really cool little park and part of town. Keep an eye out on their schedule and see if you can catch a Leiter start!
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@daddydingerz_psn said in Jack Leiter’s first start:
@matt_42187_psn said in Jack Leiter’s first start:
@hollywap35_mlbts said in Jack Leiter’s first start:
@daddydingerz_psn said in Jack Leiter’s first start:
@matt_42187_psn said in Jack Leiter’s first start:
IMO, Zito's curve was not all that great. Max Fried has the same curveball style. I think Kerry Wood or Verlander had the best curves. Curves that are thrown hard with late bite is difficult to pick up. But I'm excited about Leiter. He looked legit in college.
IMO, the pitch you’re describing is what a slider is intended for. A well thrown, slower 12-6 can really eff with a batters timing and straight up make major league batters look silly. Nothing against the power curve, but if you’re going with a curve and a slider, give me the slower curve to mix up speed differentials.
literally what I was thinking, playing throughout my life you could be timed for a fastball and a hard power curve you could hold hands back and flick it through the 5 hole ... a slow loopy zito esque CB??? youre sitting one or the other not both
Or you can just look fastball and react to a loopy curve. Because you know that 75mph curve isn’t blowing by you. Hard curves start with a similar plane as a fastball. Pretty hard to keep hands back and balanced when it’s too late picking up the spin.
I think you’re severely underrating the difficulty of reacting to a slow 12-6 curveball when you’re looking fastball. Time doesn’t stop mid pitch, let you regain your balance, and slap it oppo. Its extremely difficult. Once you gear up for fastball and put that front foot down geared up for 95 and get 75, you’re walking back to the dugout.
I think you're underrating the hammer. Pros can keep their hands back even if they are out on their front foot. Hard curves break later to the plate, which makes it more difficult to pickup. Check out all the strikeout guys, I can't think of hardly any that had a 70-75 curve. Roy halladay had a filthy curve that started in the middle of the zone and dropped late. He was pretty good.
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@matt_42187_psn said in Jack Leiter’s first start:
@daddydingerz_psn said in Jack Leiter’s first start:
@matt_42187_psn said in Jack Leiter’s first start:
@hollywap35_mlbts said in Jack Leiter’s first start:
@daddydingerz_psn said in Jack Leiter’s first start:
@matt_42187_psn said in Jack Leiter’s first start:
IMO, Zito's curve was not all that great. Max Fried has the same curveball style. I think Kerry Wood or Verlander had the best curves. Curves that are thrown hard with late bite is difficult to pick up. But I'm excited about Leiter. He looked legit in college.
IMO, the pitch you’re describing is what a slider is intended for. A well thrown, slower 12-6 can really eff with a batters timing and straight up make major league batters look silly. Nothing against the power curve, but if you’re going with a curve and a slider, give me the slower curve to mix up speed differentials.
literally what I was thinking, playing throughout my life you could be timed for a fastball and a hard power curve you could hold hands back and flick it through the 5 hole ... a slow loopy zito esque CB??? youre sitting one or the other not both
Or you can just look fastball and react to a loopy curve. Because you know that 75mph curve isn’t blowing by you. Hard curves start with a similar plane as a fastball. Pretty hard to keep hands back and balanced when it’s too late picking up the spin.
I think you’re severely underrating the difficulty of reacting to a slow 12-6 curveball when you’re looking fastball. Time doesn’t stop mid pitch, let you regain your balance, and slap it oppo. Its extremely difficult. Once you gear up for fastball and put that front foot down geared up for 95 and get 75, you’re walking back to the dugout.
I think you're underrating the hammer. Pros can keep their hands back even if they are out on their front foot. Hard curves break later to the plate, which makes it more difficult to pickup. Check out all the strikeout guys, I can't think of hardly any that had a 70-75 curve. Roy halladay had a filthy curve that started in the middle of the zone and dropped late. He was pretty good.
Once again, Im not saying the slower 12-6 is better than a power curve. But if you already have a slider in your arsenal, it’s more advantageous to differ your pitch speeds. Plenty of greats have had a slow loopy curve, but it’s def not for everyone. Kershaw has certainly had a decent career throwing one.
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@daddydingerz_psn said in Jack Leiter’s first start:
@schwizzle_nizzle said in Jack Leiter’s first start:
@daddydingerz_psn said in Jack Leiter’s first start:
Just watched his first start in AA. They only let him go 3 innings, but he still managed to get 7 Ks. I was fortunate to get pretty good seats behind home plate, and oh my, this dude can throw. One of the best curveballs I’ve seen in person (best was Zito). Hope he turns out well, because the Rangers could sure use some pitching.
Dr Pepper stadium? I need to get there for another game. That place is lively and fun af!
Yessir! That was my first game there. Really cool little park and part of town. Keep an eye out on their schedule and see if you can catch a Leiter start!
I got to see Tatis Jr there launch a monster bomb to LF onto the street.
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@schwizzle_nizzle said in Jack Leiter’s first start:
@daddydingerz_psn said in Jack Leiter’s first start:
@schwizzle_nizzle said in Jack Leiter’s first start:
@daddydingerz_psn said in Jack Leiter’s first start:
Just watched his first start in AA. They only let him go 3 innings, but he still managed to get 7 Ks. I was fortunate to get pretty good seats behind home plate, and oh my, this dude can throw. One of the best curveballs I’ve seen in person (best was Zito). Hope he turns out well, because the Rangers could sure use some pitching.
Dr Pepper stadium? I need to get there for another game. That place is lively and fun af!
Yessir! That was my first game there. Really cool little park and part of town. Keep an eye out on their schedule and see if you can catch a Leiter start!
I got to see Tatis Jr there launch a monster bomb to LF onto the street
Nice dude! I’d def hit that ballpark up more if I lived closer.
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@matt_42187_psn said in Jack Leiter’s first start:
@hollywap35_mlbts said in Jack Leiter’s first start:
@daddydingerz_psn said in Jack Leiter’s first start:
@matt_42187_psn said in Jack Leiter’s first start:
IMO, Zito's curve was not all that great. Max Fried has the same curveball style. I think Kerry Wood or Verlander had the best curves. Curves that are thrown hard with late bite is difficult to pick up. But I'm excited about Leiter. He looked legit in college.
IMO, the pitch you’re describing is what a slider is intended for. A well thrown, slower 12-6 can really eff with a batters timing and straight up make major league batters look silly. Nothing against the power curve, but if you’re going with a curve and a slider, give me the slower curve to mix up speed differentials.
literally what I was thinking, playing throughout my life you could be timed for a fastball and a hard power curve you could hold hands back and flick it through the 5 hole ... a slow loopy zito esque CB??? youre sitting one or the other not both
Or you can just look fastball and react to a loopy curve. Because you know that 75mph curve isn’t blowing by you. Hard curves start with a similar plane as a fastball. Pretty hard to keep hands back and balanced when it’s too late picking up the spin.
just was my personal take as a D1 outfielder but sure okay
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@hollywap35_mlbts said in Jack Leiter’s first start:
@matt_42187_psn said in Jack Leiter’s first start:
@hollywap35_mlbts said in Jack Leiter’s first start:
@daddydingerz_psn said in Jack Leiter’s first start:
@matt_42187_psn said in Jack Leiter’s first start:
IMO, Zito's curve was not all that great. Max Fried has the same curveball style. I think Kerry Wood or Verlander had the best curves. Curves that are thrown hard with late bite is difficult to pick up. But I'm excited about Leiter. He looked legit in college.
IMO, the pitch you’re describing is what a slider is intended for. A well thrown, slower 12-6 can really eff with a batters timing and straight up make major league batters look silly. Nothing against the power curve, but if you’re going with a curve and a slider, give me the slower curve to mix up speed differentials.
literally what I was thinking, playing throughout my life you could be timed for a fastball and a hard power curve you could hold hands back and flick it through the 5 hole ... a slow loopy zito esque CB??? youre sitting one or the other not both
Or you can just look fastball and react to a loopy curve. Because you know that 75mph curve isn’t blowing by you. Hard curves start with a similar plane as a fastball. Pretty hard to keep hands back and balanced when it’s too late picking up the spin.
just was my personal take as a D1 outfielder but sure okay
Ha I feel ya brotha. It’s hard for some people to differentiate video game hitting and real life hitting. It’s a lot more complex than mashing that X button.
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@daddydingerz_psn said in Jack Leiter’s first start:
Just watched his first start in AA. They only let him go 3 innings, but he still managed to get 7 Ks. I was fortunate to get pretty good seats behind home plate, and oh my, this dude can throw. One of the best curveballs I’ve seen in person (best was Zito). Hope he turns out well, because the Rangers could sure use some pitching.
They need to supercharge his Prospect card.
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@daddydingerz_psn said in Jack Leiter’s first start:
Just watched his first start in AA. They only let him go 3 innings, but he still managed to get 7 Ks. I was fortunate to get pretty good seats behind home plate, and oh my, this dude can throw. One of the best curveballs I’ve seen in person (best was Zito). Hope he turns out well, because the Rangers could sure use some pitching.
You lucky [censored] haha I'm jealous, can't wait till he's ready to come up
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@arvcpa_psn said in Jack Leiter’s first start:
@daddydingerz_psn said in Jack Leiter’s first start:
Just watched his first start in AA. They only let him go 3 innings, but he still managed to get 7 Ks. I was fortunate to get pretty good seats behind home plate, and oh my, this dude can throw. One of the best curveballs I’ve seen in person (best was Zito). Hope he turns out well, because the Rangers could sure use some pitching.
They need to supercharge his Prospect card.
Hopefully he gets a future stars card later this year
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@hollywap35_mlbts said in Jack Leiter’s first start:
@matt_42187_psn said in Jack Leiter’s first start:
@hollywap35_mlbts said in Jack Leiter’s first start:
@daddydingerz_psn said in Jack Leiter’s first start:
@matt_42187_psn said in Jack Leiter’s first start:
IMO, Zito's curve was not all that great. Max Fried has the same curveball style. I think Kerry Wood or Verlander had the best curves. Curves that are thrown hard with late bite is difficult to pick up. But I'm excited about Leiter. He looked legit in college.
IMO, the pitch you’re describing is what a slider is intended for. A well thrown, slower 12-6 can really eff with a batters timing and straight up make major league batters look silly. Nothing against the power curve, but if you’re going with a curve and a slider, give me the slower curve to mix up speed differentials.
literally what I was thinking, playing throughout my life you could be timed for a fastball and a hard power curve you could hold hands back and flick it through the 5 hole ... a slow loopy zito esque CB??? youre sitting one or the other not both
Or you can just look fastball and react to a loopy curve. Because you know that 75mph curve isn’t blowing by you. Hard curves start with a similar plane as a fastball. Pretty hard to keep hands back and balanced when it’s too late picking up the spin.
just was my personal take as a D1 outfielder but sure okay.
I've played D1 as well. So yeah, I have a decent understanding as well. Zito's curve never made him a strike out pitcher.
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@matt_42187_psn said in Jack Leiter’s first start:
@hollywap35_mlbts said in Jack Leiter’s first start:
@matt_42187_psn said in Jack Leiter’s first start:
@hollywap35_mlbts said in Jack Leiter’s first start:
@daddydingerz_psn said in Jack Leiter’s first start:
@matt_42187_psn said in Jack Leiter’s first start:
IMO, Zito's curve was not all that great. Max Fried has the same curveball style. I think Kerry Wood or Verlander had the best curves. Curves that are thrown hard with late bite is difficult to pick up. But I'm excited about Leiter. He looked legit in college.
IMO, the pitch you’re describing is what a slider is intended for. A well thrown, slower 12-6 can really eff with a batters timing and straight up make major league batters look silly. Nothing against the power curve, but if you’re going with a curve and a slider, give me the slower curve to mix up speed differentials.
literally what I was thinking, playing throughout my life you could be timed for a fastball and a hard power curve you could hold hands back and flick it through the 5 hole ... a slow loopy zito esque CB??? youre sitting one or the other not both
Or you can just look fastball and react to a loopy curve. Because you know that 75mph curve isn’t blowing by you. Hard curves start with a similar plane as a fastball. Pretty hard to keep hands back and balanced when it’s too late picking up the spin.
just was my personal take as a D1 outfielder but sure okay.
I've played D1 as well. So yeah, I have a decent understanding as well. Zito's curve never made him a strike out pitcher.
Yeah, it only won him a Cy Young. You right tho, dude sucked.
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@matt_42187_psn said in Jack Leiter’s first start:
@hollywap35_mlbts said in Jack Leiter’s first start:
@matt_42187_psn said in Jack Leiter’s first start:
@hollywap35_mlbts said in Jack Leiter’s first start:
@daddydingerz_psn said in Jack Leiter’s first start:
@matt_42187_psn said in Jack Leiter’s first start:
IMO, Zito's curve was not all that great. Max Fried has the same curveball style. I think Kerry Wood or Verlander had the best curves. Curves that are thrown hard with late bite is difficult to pick up. But I'm excited about Leiter. He looked legit in college.
IMO, the pitch you’re describing is what a slider is intended for. A well thrown, slower 12-6 can really eff with a batters timing and straight up make major league batters look silly. Nothing against the power curve, but if you’re going with a curve and a slider, give me the slower curve to mix up speed differentials.
literally what I was thinking, playing throughout my life you could be timed for a fastball and a hard power curve you could hold hands back and flick it through the 5 hole ... a slow loopy zito esque CB??? youre sitting one or the other not both
Or you can just look fastball and react to a loopy curve. Because you know that 75mph curve isn’t blowing by you. Hard curves start with a similar plane as a fastball. Pretty hard to keep hands back and balanced when it’s too late picking up the spin.
just was my personal take as a D1 outfielder but sure okay.
I've played D1 as well. So yeah, I have a decent understanding as well. Zito's curve never made him a strike out pitcher.
I mean he placed top 10 in ks 3x times and was at or above league average k/9 but sure
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@daddydingerz_psn said in Jack Leiter’s first start:
@matt_42187_psn said in Jack Leiter’s first start:
@hollywap35_mlbts said in Jack Leiter’s first start:
@matt_42187_psn said in Jack Leiter’s first start:
@hollywap35_mlbts said in Jack Leiter’s first start:
@daddydingerz_psn said in Jack Leiter’s first start:
@matt_42187_psn said in Jack Leiter’s first start:
IMO, Zito's curve was not all that great. Max Fried has the same curveball style. I think Kerry Wood or Verlander had the best curves. Curves that are thrown hard with late bite is difficult to pick up. But I'm excited about Leiter. He looked legit in college.
IMO, the pitch you’re describing is what a slider is intended for. A well thrown, slower 12-6 can really eff with a batters timing and straight up make major league batters look silly. Nothing against the power curve, but if you’re going with a curve and a slider, give me the slower curve to mix up speed differentials.
literally what I was thinking, playing throughout my life you could be timed for a fastball and a hard power curve you could hold hands back and flick it through the 5 hole ... a slow loopy zito esque CB??? youre sitting one or the other not both
Or you can just look fastball and react to a loopy curve. Because you know that 75mph curve isn’t blowing by you. Hard curves start with a similar plane as a fastball. Pretty hard to keep hands back and balanced when it’s too late picking up the spin.
just was my personal take as a D1 outfielder but sure okay.
I've played D1 as well. So yeah, I have a decent understanding as well. Zito's curve never made him a strike out pitcher.
Yeah, it only won him a Cy Young. You right tho, dude sucked.
Never said he sucked. I said he didn't have the best curve. Maddux didn't have the best fastball or changeup, but he did alright for himself.
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@hollywap35_mlbts said in Jack Leiter’s first start:
@matt_42187_psn said in Jack Leiter’s first start:
@hollywap35_mlbts said in Jack Leiter’s first start:
@matt_42187_psn said in Jack Leiter’s first start:
@hollywap35_mlbts said in Jack Leiter’s first start:
@daddydingerz_psn said in Jack Leiter’s first start:
@matt_42187_psn said in Jack Leiter’s first start:
IMO, Zito's curve was not all that great. Max Fried has the same curveball style. I think Kerry Wood or Verlander had the best curves. Curves that are thrown hard with late bite is difficult to pick up. But I'm excited about Leiter. He looked legit in college.
IMO, the pitch you’re describing is what a slider is intended for. A well thrown, slower 12-6 can really eff with a batters timing and straight up make major league batters look silly. Nothing against the power curve, but if you’re going with a curve and a slider, give me the slower curve to mix up speed differentials.
literally what I was thinking, playing throughout my life you could be timed for a fastball and a hard power curve you could hold hands back and flick it through the 5 hole ... a slow loopy zito esque CB??? youre sitting one or the other not both
Or you can just look fastball and react to a loopy curve. Because you know that 75mph curve isn’t blowing by you. Hard curves start with a similar plane as a fastball. Pretty hard to keep hands back and balanced when it’s too late picking up the spin.
just was my personal take as a D1 outfielder but sure okay.
I've played D1 as well. So yeah, I have a decent understanding as well. Zito's curve never made him a strike out pitcher.
I mean he placed top 10 in ks 3x times and was at or above league average k/9 but sure
Zito averaged 4-5 K's per start. The dude did not have a strike out pitch. His curve wasn't fooling too many players.
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@matt_42187_psn said in Jack Leiter’s first start:
@hollywap35_mlbts said in Jack Leiter’s first start:
@matt_42187_psn said in Jack Leiter’s first start:
@hollywap35_mlbts said in Jack Leiter’s first start:
@matt_42187_psn said in Jack Leiter’s first start:
@hollywap35_mlbts said in Jack Leiter’s first start:
@daddydingerz_psn said in Jack Leiter’s first start:
@matt_42187_psn said in Jack Leiter’s first start:
IMO, Zito's curve was not all that great. Max Fried has the same curveball style. I think Kerry Wood or Verlander had the best curves. Curves that are thrown hard with late bite is difficult to pick up. But I'm excited about Leiter. He looked legit in college.
IMO, the pitch you’re describing is what a slider is intended for. A well thrown, slower 12-6 can really eff with a batters timing and straight up make major league batters look silly. Nothing against the power curve, but if you’re going with a curve and a slider, give me the slower curve to mix up speed differentials.
literally what I was thinking, playing throughout my life you could be timed for a fastball and a hard power curve you could hold hands back and flick it through the 5 hole ... a slow loopy zito esque CB??? youre sitting one or the other not both
Or you can just look fastball and react to a loopy curve. Because you know that 75mph curve isn’t blowing by you. Hard curves start with a similar plane as a fastball. Pretty hard to keep hands back and balanced when it’s too late picking up the spin.
just was my personal take as a D1 outfielder but sure okay.
I've played D1 as well. So yeah, I have a decent understanding as well. Zito's curve never made him a strike out pitcher.
I mean he placed top 10 in ks 3x times and was at or above league average k/9 but sure
Zito averaged 4-5 K's per start. The dude did not have a strike out pitch. His curve wasn't fooling too many players.
so outside your opinion, and ignoring my facts based on his career stats including the at or above league average for k/9 and was top 10 in k/s including top 5 2x time? I mean if were just ignoring things and just making statements with no back up then ok man, sure he wasnt,
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@hollywap35_mlbts said in Jack Leiter’s first start:
@matt_42187_psn said in Jack Leiter’s first start:
@hollywap35_mlbts said in Jack Leiter’s first start:
@matt_42187_psn said in Jack Leiter’s first start:
@hollywap35_mlbts said in Jack Leiter’s first start:
@matt_42187_psn said in Jack Leiter’s first start:
@hollywap35_mlbts said in Jack Leiter’s first start:
@daddydingerz_psn said in Jack Leiter’s first start:
@matt_42187_psn said in Jack Leiter’s first start:
IMO, Zito's curve was not all that great. Max Fried has the same curveball style. I think Kerry Wood or Verlander had the best curves. Curves that are thrown hard with late bite is difficult to pick up. But I'm excited about Leiter. He looked legit in college.
IMO, the pitch you’re describing is what a slider is intended for. A well thrown, slower 12-6 can really eff with a batters timing and straight up make major league batters look silly. Nothing against the power curve, but if you’re going with a curve and a slider, give me the slower curve to mix up speed differentials.
literally what I was thinking, playing throughout my life you could be timed for a fastball and a hard power curve you could hold hands back and flick it through the 5 hole ... a slow loopy zito esque CB??? youre sitting one or the other not both
Or you can just look fastball and react to a loopy curve. Because you know that 75mph curve isn’t blowing by you. Hard curves start with a similar plane as a fastball. Pretty hard to keep hands back and balanced when it’s too late picking up the spin.
just was my personal take as a D1 outfielder but sure okay.
I've played D1 as well. So yeah, I have a decent understanding as well. Zito's curve never made him a strike out pitcher.
I mean he placed top 10 in ks 3x times and was at or above league average k/9 but sure
Zito averaged 4-5 K's per start. The dude did not have a strike out pitch. His curve wasn't fooling too many players.
so outside your opinion, and ignoring my facts based on his career stats including the at or above league average for k/9 and was top 10 in k/s including top 5 2x time? I mean if were just ignoring things and just making statements with no back up then ok man, sure he wasnt,
Where did you find your "facts"? Because they seem a little off and cherry picked. He was top 10 only once in K's and once in k/9. So, if you call that a strike out artist, then sure. I got my info from baseball reference in case you were wondering.
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@matt_42187_psn said in Jack Leiter’s first start:
@hollywap35_mlbts said in Jack Leiter’s first start:
@matt_42187_psn said in Jack Leiter’s first start:
@hollywap35_mlbts said in Jack Leiter’s first start:
@matt_42187_psn said in Jack Leiter’s first start:
@hollywap35_mlbts said in Jack Leiter’s first start:
@matt_42187_psn said in Jack Leiter’s first start:
@hollywap35_mlbts said in Jack Leiter’s first start:
@daddydingerz_psn said in Jack Leiter’s first start:
@matt_42187_psn said in Jack Leiter’s first start:
IMO, Zito's curve was not all that great. Max Fried has the same curveball style. I think Kerry Wood or Verlander had the best curves. Curves that are thrown hard with late bite is difficult to pick up. But I'm excited about Leiter. He looked legit in college.
IMO, the pitch you’re describing is what a slider is intended for. A well thrown, slower 12-6 can really eff with a batters timing and straight up make major league batters look silly. Nothing against the power curve, but if you’re going with a curve and a slider, give me the slower curve to mix up speed differentials.
literally what I was thinking, playing throughout my life you could be timed for a fastball and a hard power curve you could hold hands back and flick it through the 5 hole ... a slow loopy zito esque CB??? youre sitting one or the other not both
Or you can just look fastball and react to a loopy curve. Because you know that 75mph curve isn’t blowing by you. Hard curves start with a similar plane as a fastball. Pretty hard to keep hands back and balanced when it’s too late picking up the spin.
just was my personal take as a D1 outfielder but sure okay.
I've played D1 as well. So yeah, I have a decent understanding as well. Zito's curve never made him a strike out pitcher.
I mean he placed top 10 in ks 3x times and was at or above league average k/9 but sure
Zito averaged 4-5 K's per start. The dude did not have a strike out pitch. His curve wasn't fooling too many players.
so outside your opinion, and ignoring my facts based on his career stats including the at or above league average for k/9 and was top 10 in k/s including top 5 2x time? I mean if were just ignoring things and just making statements with no back up then ok man, sure he wasnt,
Where did you find your "facts"? Because they seem a little off and cherry picked. He was top 10 only once in K's and once in k/9. So, if you call that a strike out artist, then sure. I got my info from baseball reference in case you were wondering.
Dude, this a post about Jack Leiter’s first start and you’re talking about whether or not Zito’s curveball was a strikeout pitch. Go argue with yourself on another thread.
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@daddydingerz_psn said in Jack Leiter’s first start:
@matt_42187_psn said in Jack Leiter’s first start:
IMO, Zito's curve was not all that great. Max Fried has the same curveball style. I think Kerry Wood or Verlander had the best curves. Curves that are thrown hard with late bite is difficult to pick up. But I'm excited about Leiter. He looked legit in college.
IMO, the pitch you’re describing is what a slider is intended for. A well thrown, slower 12-6 can really eff with a batters timing and straight up make major league batters look silly. Nothing against the power curve, but if you’re going with a curve and a slider, give me the slower curve to mix up speed differentials.
literally what I was thinking, playing throughout my life you could be timed for a fastball and a hard power curve you could hold hands back and flick it through the 5 hole ... a slow loopy zito esque CB??? youre sitting one or the other not both
Or you can just look fastball and react to a loopy curve. Because you know that 75mph curve isn’t blowing by you. Hard curves start with a similar plane as a fastball. Pretty hard to keep hands back and balanced when it’s too late picking up the spin.
just was my personal take as a D1 outfielder but sure okay.
I've played D1 as well. So yeah, I have a decent understanding as well. Zito's curve never made him a strike out pitcher.
I mean he placed top 10 in ks 3x times and was at or above league average k/9 but sure
Zito averaged 4-5 K's per start. The dude did not have a strike out pitch. His curve wasn't fooling too many players.
so outside your opinion, and ignoring my facts based on his career stats including the at or above league average for k/9 and was top 10 in k/s including top 5 2x time? I mean if were just ignoring things and just making statements with no back up then ok man, sure he wasnt,
Where did you find your "facts"? Because they seem a little off and cherry picked. He was top 10 only once in K's and once in k/9. So, if you call that a strike out artist, then sure. I got my info from baseball reference in case you were wondering.
Dude, this a post about Jack Leiter’s first start and you’re talking about whether or not Zito’s curveball was a strikeout pitch. Go argue with yourself on another thread.
I could have sworn you mentioned zito in your post. And others mentioned he struck out a lot of people with it. But hey if you haven’t watched a lot of baseball in your life, it’s cool.
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IMO, Zito's curve was not all that great. Max Fried has the same curveball style. I think Kerry Wood or Verlander had the best curves. Curves that are thrown hard with late bite is difficult to pick up. But I'm excited about Leiter. He looked legit in college.
IMO, the pitch you’re describing is what a slider is intended for. A well thrown, slower 12-6 can really eff with a batters timing and straight up make major league batters look silly. Nothing against the power curve, but if you’re going with a curve and a slider, give me the slower curve to mix up speed differentials.
literally what I was thinking, playing throughout my life you could be timed for a fastball and a hard power curve you could hold hands back and flick it through the 5 hole ... a slow loopy zito esque CB??? youre sitting one or the other not both
Or you can just look fastball and react to a loopy curve. Because you know that 75mph curve isn’t blowing by you. Hard curves start with a similar plane as a fastball. Pretty hard to keep hands back and balanced when it’s too late picking up the spin.
just was my personal take as a D1 outfielder but sure okay.
I've played D1 as well. So yeah, I have a decent understanding as well. Zito's curve never made him a strike out pitcher.
I mean he placed top 10 in ks 3x times and was at or above league average k/9 but sure
Zito averaged 4-5 K's per start. The dude did not have a strike out pitch. His curve wasn't fooling too many players.
so outside your opinion, and ignoring my facts based on his career stats including the at or above league average for k/9 and was top 10 in k/s including top 5 2x time? I mean if were just ignoring things and just making statements with no back up then ok man, sure he wasnt,
Where did you find your "facts"? Because they seem a little off and cherry picked. He was top 10 only once in K's and once in k/9. So, if you call that a strike out artist, then sure. I got my info from baseball reference in case you were wondering.
Dude, this a post about Jack Leiter’s first start and you’re talking about whether or not Zito’s curveball was a strikeout pitch. Go argue with yourself on another thread.
I could have sworn you mentioned zito in your post. And others mentioned he struck out a lot of people with it. But hey if you haven’t watched a lot of baseball in your life, it’s cool.
Honestly dude, you lost all validity the second you said Zito’s curveball was not that great. You don’t have to think it was the best ever, but saying it wasn’t great is nonsense and makes you look ignorant. I entertained a back and forth with you, and you brought up several good points about the power curve versus the slower 12-6, but you fail to acknowledge others’ side to the argument. The more drawn out the argument goes the more condescending you are and the more you twist the argument to what best fits you. No one said Zito or his curveball were strikeout machines. YOU brought that up with intentions of “proving” that his curveball was not good. Zito had PLENTY of strikeouts on the pitch, but also a lot of weak contact of unbalanced swings and missed barrels. There’s nothing left to say on either side. You’re entitled to your opinion of thinking Zito’s curveball wasn’t that great, you’ll just be in the overwhelming minority.
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