CBA progress
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My very detailed, well-reasoned opinion? They will play a full 162 game season. I just know it.
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@chrono_omega_psn said in CBA progress:
It goes both ways, these are grown men who are acting like babies on both ends. I don’t pick a side because both are at fault here for not being level headed. Crying over millions.
But it doesn’t go both ways. The players are 100% at the mercy of the owners. Why do the good players always escape the small market teams. Because those teams aren’t interested in putting a winning team on the field. Why you ask, because of the Competitive Balance Tax. That’s why we have tanking and service time manipulation. It’s the owners way of not having to pay their players. And this is only an issue for a select few teams. The biggest market teams and the smallest market teams.
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April generates the least amount of revenue vs what owners pay in salary we won’t see baseball until May/June
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So I won't say much on this because I believe both sides are ridiculously greedy, but I will say this. I love to read the comments of KILLER because most of the time they are completely based on nothing true and are completely from his imagination or some fantasy world he lives in. Since that has been said now I will say my piece about both sides. I believe baseball has doomed itself because of this greed from both the players and the owners. We are probably going to see in baseball what happened with hockey years ago, and it will probably be the only way it saves the game. I for one don't believe that unproven minor league players deserve larger guaranteed contracts. If that does happen then the cost of those contracts will be passed on to the consumers, and who wants to pay nba prices to go see a baseball game. I also believe that the owners need to set up a personal retirement plan for every individual player that plays at the mlb level for their team based on time with the team and contract pay. That will ensure each player at the mlb level will have guaranteed money when they leave baseball. Minor league players do not deserve large contracts or guaranteed money. Why anyone would believe someone who hasn't proven themselves in a job deserves big money is just beyond me. No other business, and remember it's a business first and foremost, would ever pay someone a large contract for an unproven record. Both sides are very greedy and it is ruining the game. Last and not least Rob Manfred has no business being commissioner. He should be fired.
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@hockey4all2001 said in CBA progress:
So I won't say much on this because I believe both sides are ridiculously greedy, but I will say this. I love to read the comments of KILLER because most of the time they are completely based on nothing true and are completely from his imagination or some fantasy world he lives in. Since that has been said now I will say my piece about both sides. I believe baseball has doomed itself because of this greed from both the players and the owners. We are probably going to see in baseball what happened with hockey years ago, and it will probably be the only way it saves the game. I for one don't believe that unproven minor league players deserve larger guaranteed contracts. If that does happen then the cost of those contracts will be passed on to the consumers, and who wants to pay nba prices to go see a baseball game. I also believe that the owners need to set up a personal retirement plan for every individual player that plays at the mlb level for their team based on time with the team and contract pay. That will ensure each player at the mlb level will have guaranteed money when they leave baseball. Minor league players do not deserve large contracts or guaranteed money. Why anyone would believe someone who hasn't proven themselves in a job deserves big money is just beyond me. No other business, and remember it's a business first and foremost, would ever pay someone a large contract for an unproven record. Both sides are very greedy and it is ruining the game. Last and not least Rob Manfred has no business being commissioner. He should be fired.
The minor league players are not getting a Large contract. The top minor league players are already placed in a bracket of what they get. The MLPA wants those numbers to go a little higher. The Owners came back with counter offer but the union denied that offer. The other issue is how long the team has control of a minor leaguer. When they make it to the major right now it is 6 years but if the owner brings them up 2 weeks after opening day they get a 7th year out of the minor leaguer on min salary. The Padres could still be paying Tatis Jr the min salary. The Cubs kept Kris Bryant down to get an extra year out of him. The the problem is the few players that become stars early, are not getting paid what they deserve. The Players Union wants to change the the service time. This was brought to light because of how the Cubs treated Kris Bryant.
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@dbarmonstar_psn said in CBA progress:
The Cubs kept Kris Bryant down to get an extra year out of him.
They also gave him a 6.9 million dollar signing bonus. He was making almost 20 million a season by the time the Cubs traded him. He made 59 million in his career as a Cub. Yes, he could have made more if the cubs had not played with his service time but it is still hard to empathize or feel bad for someone who made 59 million before the age of 30.
I am not defending the practice of manipulating service time I am simply stating why I have a hard time rooting for either side.
Again, if any of this was helping the career minor leaguers, the ones who never get called up, then I would have more sympathy for the MLBPA but right now I can't drum up much support for either side.
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@dolenz_psn said in CBA progress:
@dbarmonstar_psn said in CBA progress:
The Cubs kept Kris Bryant down to get an extra year out of him.
They also gave him a 6.9 million dollar signing bonus. He was making almost 20 million a season by the time the Cubs traded him. He made 59 million in his career as a Cub. Yes, he could have made more if the cubs had not played with his service time but it is still hard to empathize or feel bad for someone who made 59 million before the age of 30.
I am not defending the practice of manipulating service time I am simply stating why I have a hard time rooting for either side.
Again, if any of this was helping the career minor leaguers, the ones who never get called up, then I would have more sympathy for the MLBPA but right now I can't drum up much support for either side.
It does actually help ones that will not get called up if they fall in the 3 catagories of what they already make, they would make more but the two sides can not agree on the salary. There are three different salaries for top minor leaguers from what I understand and that is one of the things that has to be settled
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The other issue that the players union wants to fix is guys are ready for the major but get stuck in the minors because of the pos they play and no where to move them up. The dodgers had Paul Lo Duca in the minors for I believe it was 10 years before he got called up.
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@dbarmonstar_psn said in CBA progress:
The other issue that the players union wants to fix is guys are ready for the major but get stuck in the minors because of the pos they play and no where to move them up. The dodgers had Paul Lo Duca in the minors for I believe it was 10 years before he got called up.
Once again you never know if a player is ready to be called up to the MLB. You hope the player is ready but it is always a chance that is taken by the club. Their are thousands of players who were deemed ready for the big club but could never get it going and then became career minor leaguers. It happens more often than not. So why should they receive more money while they are still unproven at a MLB level.
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@dbarmonstar_psn said in CBA progress:
The other issue that the players union wants to fix is guys are ready for the major but get stuck in the minors because of the pos they play and no where to move them up. The dodgers had Paul Lo Duca in the minors for I believe it was 10 years before he got called up.
And let's all get on the same page here. The players union only wants them to be included in the players union the same as the MLB players because then the players union receives more money, much more money. They truly do not give a [censored] about players, they are a business also and are in it for money. The reason they want the years of service reduced is because the faster a player can get to free agency the higher their potential for making money. And that means more money for the players union. So it is greed all around on both sides and it is only the fans who suffer.
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Probably could have stopped at 59M lol
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@dolenz_psn said in CBA progress:
@dbarmonstar_psn said in CBA progress:
The Cubs kept Kris Bryant down to get an extra year out of him.
They also gave him a 6.9 million dollar signing bonus. He was making almost 20 million a season by the time the Cubs traded him. He made 59 million in his career as a Cub. Yes, he could have made more if the cubs had not played with his service time but it is still hard to empathize or feel bad for someone who made 59 million before the age of 30.
I am not defending the practice of manipulating service time I am simply stating why I have a hard time rooting for either side.
Again, if any of this was helping the career minor leaguers, the ones who never get called up, then I would have more sympathy for the MLBPA but right now I can't drum up much support for either side.
Probably could have stopped at 59M lol
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@killerpresence4 said in CBA progress:
@ikasnu_psn said in CBA progress:
Minor leagues are mostly unaffected iirc. I think its everyone on the 40 man roster and in MLB FA.
Only players on the 26 man roster fall under the CBA. Anybody at the minor league level has no CBA protection
Even players on a MLB contract playing in the minor leagues?
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@hockey4all2001 said in CBA progress:
So I won't say much on this because I believe both sides are ridiculously greedy, but I will say this. I love to read the comments of KILLER because most of the time they are completely based on nothing true and are completely from his imagination or some fantasy world he lives in. Since that has been said now I will say my piece about both sides. I believe baseball has doomed itself because of this greed from both the players and the owners. We are probably going to see in baseball what happened with hockey years ago, and it will probably be the only way it saves the game. I for one don't believe that unproven minor league players deserve larger guaranteed contracts. If that does happen then the cost of those contracts will be passed on to the consumers, and who wants to pay nba prices to go see a baseball game. I also believe that the owners need to set up a personal retirement plan for every individual player that plays at the mlb level for their team based on time with the team and contract pay. That will ensure each player at the mlb level will have guaranteed money when they leave baseball. Minor league players do not deserve large contracts or guaranteed money. Why anyone would believe someone who hasn't proven themselves in a job deserves big money is just beyond me. No other business, and remember it's a business first and foremost, would ever pay someone a large contract for an unproven record. Both sides are very greedy and it is ruining the game. Last and not least Rob Manfred has no business being commissioner. He should be fired.
Thanks for the shout out, I would point out that the majority of what I post are opinions!!! So just to be fair, an opinion is neither right nor wrong it’s exactly that an opinion. So you saying that my “opinions” are based on nothing true would in turn make your comment verifiably false. And while you believe both sides are being greedy I counter to you that there are a small amount of players that make the majority of the income in baseball. Most players will never make it to arbitration. That term most encompasses every professional baseball player regardless of whether they are in the minors or already at the Major League level. Each organization employs anywhere between 275-280 contract players. That works out to approximately 8200-8400 contract players. Of those 780 are on MLB’s 26 man roster. This means that there are 7500-7700 players in the minors at any given time. That’s a pretty small percentage of the overall player pool. Now here is where the meat of my argument comes in. Of those thousands of Minor leaguers most will never make it past the minor league level. Just to become a MLB regular you have to be the cream of the crop. Now at the major league level most teams don’t have more than 2 or 3 all star caliber players. And those that are are the ones that are paid premium contracts. Now obviously there are teams that employ more than 2-3 all Star level players and those are usually the teams that are contending which encompasses the 10 or so teams that make the playoffs year in and year out. Now that I have thrown the “facts” out there maybe this will provide the context for you concerning my opinion that the owners are the problem with baseball might make sense from my “fantasy” world of “untruths”. Yes, baseball has some greedy players I’m sure, but the majority of the rest of the players are approaching baseball as there full time job and won’t ever make the unGodly sums of money that the very elite few will make. And the way the owners treat them is reprehensible when they are raking in millions from multiple revenue streams is absurd. Instead of reinvesting those profits back into the clubs they out purchasing billion dollar yachts and million dollar personal jets and real estate ventures. This is why the players want a bigger stake in the pie. They want to compete and win and there are too many teams out there not interested in doing that. Yes Miami Marlins and Cleveland Whatever there name is now, and Kansas City Royals and Cincinnati Reds I’m looking directly at you. So there’s the context of my opinion bud. Sorry that my “opinion” doesn’t fall in line with yours. Difference is mine at least has a logical argument to back it up. By the way, prefacing a reply with a personal attack is not an intelligent way to get other readers to take what you say seriously. It just tells others that you have some sort of axe to grind with the person that you’re attacking. But hey you do you.
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I just was told that the players rejected the offer with no counter offer. Don’t know what all has happened but it stinks
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I’m sad by this. I’m upset. The finger can be pointed where ever. Doesn’t matter me. Cancelled games are terrible. If they are willing to already cancel opening week and then some, where does it end? This is terrible news for baseball. Ultimately it’s terrible news for the fans.
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@soonermagic78_xbl said in CBA progress:
I just was told that the players rejected the offer with no counter offer. Don’t know what all has happened but it stinks
Owners reportedly labeled it their “best and final offer.” That language does not invite a counter offer.
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@bob_loblaw1984 said in CBA progress:
@soonermagic78_xbl said in CBA progress:
I just was told that the players rejected the offer with no counter offer. Don’t know what all has happened but it stinks
Owners reportedly labeled it their “best and final offer.” That language does not invite a counter offer.
Greedy jerks. This is so damaging to baseball.
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Sounds like the PA is going to make playing a full season and being paid for a full season is a new bargaining chip. So what [censored] Manfred stated is once again trying to mislead the public. Just one more reason why this clown needs to be fired.
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Greed from all sides
