HOF
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Congrats to Ortiz. [censored] good hitter.
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He was just ok compared to another guy nominated. Even if you stopped at 1993.
But fair enough, none of that has anything to do with him, it isnt like he was under suspicion or anything. Oh wait.
Honestly though congrads to Ortiz, its time to move on from all that late 90's early 2000 PED stuff. That was the state of the game then and thats how it was. NFL goes through same thing. Right now there are barely 12 QB's worthy of being starting QB's in the NFL but because of the new way of officiating the game records are probably gonna be set, and the extra game now will help. Each generation has a new way of playing the game and we just have to roll with it.
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Nothing against him, congrats to him and his family. But Bonds, Clemens, Arod, Schilling, Rolen, Wagner, Manny, Sheffield, Jones, and Pettitte should all be in the hall ahead of him.
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@jogger171717_psn said in HOF:
Nothing against him, congrats to him and his family. But Bonds, Clemens, Arod, Schilling, Rolen, Wagner, Manny, Sheffield, Jones, and Pettitte should all be in the hall ahead of him.
Agreed! I wanted to get some congrats out there for Ortiz. If they wanna put him in, I’m ok with it. Dude was a legend with the bat. But they’ve gone and set a precedent now. The first four guys you mentioned need to be in like…..yesterday!!!
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I'm happy for David. He was clutch af.
However, first ballot when Bonds & Clemens are now locked out?
Oops, did I say that? 🤪
Someone tweeted that the person with the most Hits, HR's and Cy Youngs aren't in. That's a joke.
It's a popularity contest.
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I mean yes congrats to Ortiz but he was a known steroid user, so why the rest don't get in and he does is crazy to me. So unless there was another reason Bonds/Clemons/Rolen/Wagner etc. didn't get in. The hall of fame is all about playing favorites.
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@samguenther1987 said in HOF:
I mean yes congrats to Ortiz but he was a known steroid user, so why the rest don't get in and he does is crazy to me. So unless there was another reason Bonds/Clemons/Rolen/Wagner etc. didn't get in. The hall of fame is all about playing favorites.
Bro. It's why Albert Belle isn't in.
Ortiz is borderline great in TV, personality-wise, where Bonds and Belle were surly and hated the media.
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The hall is nothing more than a biased joke at this point. How can you not put Pete Rose, Barry Bonds and Roger Clemens in? You can make all the arguments against them in the world, but there are guys with similar questionable backgrounds who did make it and their legacy was nowhere close to that of these 3 guys. Arguably the best pure hitter of all time, the guy who got intentionally walked with the bases loaded (let that sink in for a moment) and the guy who won 7 CY Young awards. They don't deserve to be in the hall? It's laughable honestly and the hypocrisy is even worse.
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@raesone_psn said in HOF:
The hall is nothing more than a biased joke at this point. How can you not put Pete Rose, Barry Bonds and Roger Clemens in? You can make all the arguments against them in the world, but there are guys with similar questionable backgrounds who did make it and their legacy was nowhere close to that of these 3 guys. Arguably the best pure hitter of all time, the guy who got intentionally walked with the bases loaded (let that sink in for a moment) and the guy who won 7 CY Young awards. They don't deserve to be in the hall? It's laughable honestly and the hypocrisy is even worse.
The same morons who kept Bonds and Clemens out of the HOF are the same knuckleheads who were voting them in as MVP's and Cy Young awards. If they thought they were using PED's then, why give them the awards? And talk about integrity, if you are a writer and turn in an empty ballet you should be banned from voting for life. So many things wrong now.
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@texas10pt_psn said in HOF:
@raesone_psn said in HOF:
The hall is nothing more than a biased joke at this point. How can you not put Pete Rose, Barry Bonds and Roger Clemens in? You can make all the arguments against them in the world, but there are guys with similar questionable backgrounds who did make it and their legacy was nowhere close to that of these 3 guys. Arguably the best pure hitter of all time, the guy who got intentionally walked with the bases loaded (let that sink in for a moment) and the guy who won 7 CY Young awards. They don't deserve to be in the hall? It's laughable honestly and the hypocrisy is even worse.
The same morons who kept Bonds and Clemens out of the HOF are the same knuckleheads who were voting them in as MVP's and Cy Young awards. If they thought they were using PED's then, why give them the awards? And talk about integrity, if you are a writer and turn in an empty ballet you should be banned from voting for life. So many things wrong now.
Imo it shouldn't even be the writers in the first place who cast the votes. Let baseball executives and fans vote. These writers have way too much power in this process.
Edit: fan vote is a bad idea, peers/former players is a much better idea like @TEXAS10PT_PSN suggested.
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@raesone_psn said in HOF:
@texas10pt_psn said in HOF:
@raesone_psn said in HOF:
The hall is nothing more than a biased joke at this point. How can you not put Pete Rose, Barry Bonds and Roger Clemens in? You can make all the arguments against them in the world, but there are guys with similar questionable backgrounds who did make it and their legacy was nowhere close to that of these 3 guys. Arguably the best pure hitter of all time, the guy who got intentionally walked with the bases loaded (let that sink in for a moment) and the guy who won 7 CY Young awards. They don't deserve to be in the hall? It's laughable honestly and the hypocrisy is even worse.
The same morons who kept Bonds and Clemens out of the HOF are the same knuckleheads who were voting them in as MVP's and Cy Young awards. If they thought they were using PED's then, why give them the awards? And talk about integrity, if you are a writer and turn in an empty ballet you should be banned from voting for life. So many things wrong now.
Imo it shouldn't even be the writers in the first place who cast the votes. Let baseball executives and fans vote. These writers have way too much power in this process.
I'm not for fans voting but agree baseball executives and peers who played with or against the player eligible should vote.
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He's not a 1st ballot HOF'er. PED user as well so he should be in the same category as Bonds and Clemons. It is honestly a slap in the face to have the all time HR king not in the HOF as an individual, not just mentioned around the museum as I'm sure he is. Again, if Edgar barely gets in, Ortiz should be the same.
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I'm a biased sox fan, but hearing "Ortiz is a know PED user" isn't accurate. His name was on a list that got leaked years after the fact. Also, that whole testing program in 2003 had serious problems. Manfred even said it's possible he wasn't even on that list. But I say let in the juicers like Bonds and Clemens, just mention their histories on their plaques. Same with Pete Rose.
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@ndb34_psn said in HOF:
I'm a biased sox fan, but hearing "Ortiz is a know PED user" isn't accurate. His name was on a list that got leaked years after the fact. Also, that whole testing program in 2003 had serious problems. Manfred even said it's possible he wasn't even on that list. But I say let in the juicers like Bonds and Clemens, just mention their histories on their plaques. Same with Pete Rose.
But Scott Rolen and Curt Schilling? Lol, hall of FAME not hall of very good.Then by you’re own words Schilling gets in just because of the [censored] sock. Not to mention his pitching in the playoffs and World Series.
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@ndb34_psn said in HOF:
I'm a biased sox fan, but hearing "Ortiz is a know PED user" isn't accurate. His name was on a list that got leaked years after the fact. Also, that whole testing program in 2003 had serious problems. Manfred even said it's possible he wasn't even on that list. But I say let in the juicers like Bonds and Clemens, just mention their histories on their plaques. Same with Pete Rose.
But Scott Rolen and Curt Schilling? Lol, hall of FAME not hall of very good.I fail to believe he wasn't a PED user. I obviously have no direct knowledge, but I bet everyone was using PEDs back then. If you didn't, you lost your competitive edge and you lost your multi-million dollar contract. Ortiz was a user and abuser. I never liked him anyways but that I'm not saying this because I never like him, he's just part of that generation. If he gets in, Bonds gets in. Bonds was 1,000x a better player was than Ortiz ever ways before he started juicing.
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I agree with most what you said, except for "Ortiz was a user and abuser". What are you basing that on? The era? I'm inclined to believe he was using, but also acknowledge he has plausible deniability. So if we accept that, he doesn't really belong in the same group as Bonds and Clemens. Same with Griffey Jr. There hasn't been even a whisper to Griffey using, but he was part of that era so he probably was. That logic is flimsy at best, but it's all we got. But again, I do agree that Bonds and Clemens should be in. But the Hall should acknowledge that era for what it was and their role in it.
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@raesone_psn said in HOF:
@texas10pt_psn said in HOF:
@raesone_psn said in HOF:
The hall is nothing more than a biased joke at this point. How can you not put Pete Rose, Barry Bonds and Roger Clemens in? You can make all the arguments against them in the world, but there are guys with similar questionable backgrounds who did make it and their legacy was nowhere close to that of these 3 guys. Arguably the best pure hitter of all time, the guy who got intentionally walked with the bases loaded (let that sink in for a moment) and the guy who won 7 CY Young awards. They don't deserve to be in the hall? It's laughable honestly and the hypocrisy is even worse.
The same morons who kept Bonds and Clemens out of the HOF are the same knuckleheads who were voting them in as MVP's and Cy Young awards. If they thought they were using PED's then, why give them the awards? And talk about integrity, if you are a writer and turn in an empty ballet you should be banned from voting for life. So many things wrong now.
Imo it shouldn't even be the writers in the first place who cast the votes. Let baseball executives and fans vote. These writers have way too much power in this process.
Fans vote?!?! No thank you. We have popularity contests already in the major sports, they are called All Star Starting Lineups.
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@ncstatehokie_mlbts said in HOF:
@raesone_psn said in HOF:
@texas10pt_psn said in HOF:
@raesone_psn said in HOF:
The hall is nothing more than a biased joke at this point. How can you not put Pete Rose, Barry Bonds and Roger Clemens in? You can make all the arguments against them in the world, but there are guys with similar questionable backgrounds who did make it and their legacy was nowhere close to that of these 3 guys. Arguably the best pure hitter of all time, the guy who got intentionally walked with the bases loaded (let that sink in for a moment) and the guy who won 7 CY Young awards. They don't deserve to be in the hall? It's laughable honestly and the hypocrisy is even worse.
The same morons who kept Bonds and Clemens out of the HOF are the same knuckleheads who were voting them in as MVP's and Cy Young awards. If they thought they were using PED's then, why give them the awards? And talk about integrity, if you are a writer and turn in an empty ballet you should be banned from voting for life. So many things wrong now.
Imo it shouldn't even be the writers in the first place who cast the votes. Let baseball executives and fans vote. These writers have way too much power in this process.
Fans vote?!?! No thank you. We have popularity contests already in the major sports, they are called All Star Starting Lineups.
Yeah on second thought fan vote wouldn't be a good idea I agree.
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@ndb34_psn said in HOF:
I'm a biased sox fan, but hearing "Ortiz is a know PED user" isn't accurate. His name was on a list that got leaked years after the fact. Also, that whole testing program in 2003 had serious problems. Manfred even said it's possible he wasn't even on that list. But I say let in the juicers like Bonds and Clemens, just mention their histories on their plaques. Same with Pete Rose.
But Scott Rolen and Curt Schilling? Lol, hall of FAME not hall of very good.Rolen is by almost every metric a top 10 3rd baseman of all time. If Schilling wasn't a scumbag he would have been first ballot HOF. Him and Clemens are the only 2 members of the 3000 strikeout club to not be in. (Besides Sabathia who isn't on the Ballot yet and Verlander/Scherzer)
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@raesone_psn said in HOF:
The hall is nothing more than a biased joke at this point. How can you not put Pete Rose, Barry Bonds and Roger Clemens in?
Pete Rose is banned from baseball. You can't lay that one at the feet of the HOF voters.
The other two? Who knows. I don't know if there are degrees of guilt and suspicion that the writers bake into their decision.
At this point I kind of respect McGwire for coming out and admitting it, realizing that it would disqualify him from the Hall when he did. He went so far as to call Maris' wife and apologize and said that Maris' sons had every right to still believe that 61 was the legitimate record (this all happened before Bonds).
Back to the HOF. Anytime you have a small group of people deciding on the HOF inductees then bias will always sneak in to the picture. Another example of that is the Rock and Roll Hall Of Fame. In the case of baseball, many of the BBWOA membership still skews on the older end of the spectrum and seem less forgiving.
