9th inning boss clue.
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@mrad2010_xbl said in 9th inning boss clue.:
They’ve teased who the new boss will be and it’s obviously a catcher because of the vacuum cleaner quirk. That makes me think it’s either Jimmie Foxx or Buster Posey. Who do you guys think it is?
Jimmie Foxx is never going to have a primary catcher card. He spent much of his 24 year career as a first baseman. In fact he has less than 3 full seasons played as a C total in his career
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@killerpresence4 said in 9th inning boss clue.:
@mrad2010_xbl said in 9th inning boss clue.:
They’ve teased who the new boss will be and it’s obviously a catcher because of the vacuum cleaner quirk. That makes me think it’s either Jimmie Foxx or Buster Posey. Who do you guys think it is?
Jimmie Foxx is never going to have a primary catcher card. He spent much of his 24 year career as a first baseman. In fact he has less than 3 full seasons played as a C total in his career
Yeah. I realized I messed up when I saw the Bench comment. I was confusing the two. Although I do think Foxx would be a much better hitter.
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If it's Foxx, I may as well slit my wrists
Never hit well with him. A little better with the recent TA one, though -
2nd boss clue makes me think Gagne.
Same quirks as the 92 breakout and the background is sunny hills.
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@ericulous1_psn said in 9th inning boss clue.:
2nd boss clue makes me think Gagne.
Same quirks as the 92 breakout and the background is sunny hills.
Finally!
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@thegoaler_psn said in 9th inning boss clue.:
If it's Foxx, I may as well slit my wrists
Never hit well with him. A little better with the recent TA one, thoughI love Jimmie Foxx but FS Rutschman might be the best catcher card I have ever used, I RAKE with him.
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@mrad2010_xbl said in 9th inning boss clue.:
@bob_loblaw1984 said in 9th inning boss clue.:
@skarmaen_psn said in 9th inning boss clue.:
Johnny Bench is the best catcher in MLB history but unfortunately doesn't translate to this game. Or I should say he hasn't in years past. I haven't used his earlier diamond this season so it's possible his swing isn't as bad now.
Regardless I'll be buying his card if it gets to a reasonable price late in the 9th inning, but almost certainly not going to take him at 350k (unless they really put out some stinkers for the other two).
His swing is better this year, but his vs RHP attributes are way too low on that MVP card.
Where did u see his stats?
Last years card was the same.
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@texas10pt_psn said in 9th inning boss clue.:
@the_dragon1912 said in 9th inning boss clue.:
2nd Clue is out. Eric Gagne
Dragon you are dang good at this. Bravo!!!!
lmfao, tf, 500 comments say the same thing
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@jogger171717_psn said in 9th inning boss clue.:
It’s Bench.
Posey is going to get his own program just like Cabrera and Scherzer.
Cabrera and Scherzer got programs because they hit a milestone this season.
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@brainfreeze442 said in 9th inning boss clue.:
@jogger171717_psn said in 9th inning boss clue.:
It’s Bench.
Posey is going to get his own program just like Cabrera and Scherzer.
Cabrera and Scherzer got programs because they hit a milestone this season.
And? They were both career retrospective programs, exactly like what Posey’s would be. The milestone is just retirement instead. The best catcher over the last decade retiring should 100% warrant a similar program.
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@jogger171717_psn said in 9th inning boss clue.:
@brainfreeze442 said in 9th inning boss clue.:
@jogger171717_psn said in 9th inning boss clue.:
It’s Bench.
Posey is going to get his own program just like Cabrera and Scherzer.
Cabrera and Scherzer got programs because they hit a milestone this season.
And? They were both career retrospective programs, exactly like what Posey’s would be. The milestone is just retirement instead. The best catcher over the last decade retiring should 100% warrant a similar program.
But Molina already got his program.
Cue: rehash of the Posey v. Molina debate.
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@jeezy-e_psn said in 9th inning boss clue.:
@thegoaler_psn said in 9th inning boss clue.:
If it's Foxx, I may as well slit my wrists
Never hit well with him. A little better with the recent TA one, thoughI love Jimmie Foxx but FS Rutschman might be the best catcher card I have ever used, I RAKE with him.
Not sure how he isn’t everyone’s starting catcher. He has a smooth swing that plays on all difficulties. The only thing that can be frustrating with him is the occasional perfect perfect fly out to the track. I can deal with that in exchange for his defense, speed and ability hit liners all over the field
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@killerpresence4 said in 9th inning boss clue.:
@jeezy-e_psn said in 9th inning boss clue.:
@thegoaler_psn said in 9th inning boss clue.:
If it's Foxx, I may as well slit my wrists
Never hit well with him. A little better with the recent TA one, thoughI love Jimmie Foxx but FS Rutschmian might be the best catcher card I have ever used, I RAKE with him.
Not sure how he isn’t everyone’s starting catcher. He has a smooth swing that plays on all difficulties. The only thing that can be frustrating with him is the occasional perfect perfect fly out to the track. I can deal with that in exchange for his defense, speed and ability hit liners all over the field
It's definitely hard to argue with Rutchman as the best C. I still love ASG Realmuto and have played surprisingly well with Award Molina. I finally got the hang of Piazza's swing and Posada award is a personal favorite. To me, it's between Pudge signature and Adley. I'm excited to throw Bench in the mix.
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@ericulous1_psn said in 9th inning boss clue.:
@jogger171717_psn said in 9th inning boss clue.:
@brainfreeze442 said in 9th inning boss clue.:
@jogger171717_psn said in 9th inning boss clue.:
It’s Bench.
Posey is going to get his own program just like Cabrera and Scherzer.
Cabrera and Scherzer got programs because they hit a milestone this season.
And? They were both career retrospective programs, exactly like what Posey’s would be. The milestone is just retirement instead. The best catcher over the last decade retiring should 100% warrant a similar program.
But Molina already got his program.
Cue: rehash of the Posey v. Molina debate.
I know you’re just messing around, but Posey was statistically the best catcher by far from 2010-2019. There’s really no debate to be had about that.
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@jogger171717_psn said in 9th inning boss clue.:
@ericulous1_psn said in 9th inning boss clue.:
@jogger171717_psn said in 9th inning boss clue.:
@brainfreeze442 said in 9th inning boss clue.:
@jogger171717_psn said in 9th inning boss clue.:
It’s Bench.
Posey is going to get his own program just like Cabrera and Scherzer.
Cabrera and Scherzer got programs because they hit a milestone this season.
And? They were both career retrospective programs, exactly like what Posey’s would be. The milestone is just retirement instead. The best catcher over the last decade retiring should 100% warrant a similar program.
But Molina already got his program.
Cue: rehash of the Posey v. Molina debate.
I know you’re just messing around, but Posey was statistically the best catcher by far from 2010-2019. There’s really no debate to be had about that.
Statistically in what manner? Maybe offensively but Molina is a superior defender and probably the best pitching staff handler in baseball history. Sorry to point this out but a defensive catcher is far more valuable to a team than an offensive catcher. Now that’s not to say that Posey is a bad defensive catcher he just isn’t on the same level defensively as Molina.
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@killerpresence4 said in 9th inning boss clue.:
@jogger171717_psn said in 9th inning boss clue.:
@ericulous1_psn said in 9th inning boss clue.:
@jogger171717_psn said in 9th inning boss clue.:
@brainfreeze442 said in 9th inning boss clue.:
@jogger171717_psn said in 9th inning boss clue.:
It’s Bench.
Posey is going to get his own program just like Cabrera and Scherzer.
Cabrera and Scherzer got programs because they hit a milestone this season.
And? They were both career retrospective programs, exactly like what Posey’s would be. The milestone is just retirement instead. The best catcher over the last decade retiring should 100% warrant a similar program.
But Molina already got his program.
Cue: rehash of the Posey v. Molina debate.
I know you’re just messing around, but Posey was statistically the best catcher by far from 2010-2019. There’s really no debate to be had about that.
Statistically in what manner? Maybe offensively but Molina is a superior defender and probably the best pitching staff handler in baseball history. Sorry to point this out but a defensive catcher is far more valuable to a team than an offensive catcher. Now that’s not to say that Posey is a bad defensive catcher he just isn’t on the same level defensively as Molina.
Statistically as in 52.9 fWAR for Posey vs 41.8 from Molina. In terms of defense, using Fangraphs’ Def, Posey had 203.4 while Molina had 238.1. Obviously Molina was better defensively, but not by as much as you’d think. In terms of offense, Posey had a 128 wRC+ vs Molina’s 107. Using Fangraphs’ Off, Posey had 142.0 vs Molina’s -1.1. Posey was all-around the much better player, as evidenced by having 11 more fWAR over that period.
Posey actually did have more DRS from 2010-2019 than Molina as well. 112 for Molina vs 121 for Posey. DRS on its own isn’t the best indicator, but it gives a good idea of how they were actually a lot closer than many people realize. Posey was a better framer too, as shown by his 123.5 FRM vs Molina’s 108. Posey’s 72 rSZ was higher than Molina’s 43. Molina’s 18 rCERA and 17 rSB were higher than Posey’s 8 and 11 respectively though.
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@jogger171717_psn said in 9th inning boss clue.:
@killerpresence4 said in 9th inning boss clue.:
@jogger171717_psn said in 9th inning boss clue.:
@ericulous1_psn said in 9th inning boss clue.:
@jogger171717_psn said in 9th inning boss clue.:
@brainfreeze442 said in 9th inning boss clue.:
@jogger171717_psn said in 9th inning boss clue.:
It’s Bench.
Posey is going to get his own program just like Cabrera and Scherzer.
Cabrera and Scherzer got programs because they hit a milestone this season.
And? They were both career retrospective programs, exactly like what Posey’s would be. The milestone is just retirement instead. The best catcher over the last decade retiring should 100% warrant a similar program.
But Molina already got his program.
Cue: rehash of the Posey v. Molina debate.
I know you’re just messing around, but Posey was statistically the best catcher by far from 2010-2019. There’s really no debate to be had about that.
Statistically in what manner? Maybe offensively but Molina is a superior defender and probably the best pitching staff handler in baseball history. Sorry to point this out but a defensive catcher is far more valuable to a team than an offensive catcher. Now that’s not to say that Posey is a bad defensive catcher he just isn’t on the same level defensively as Molina.
Statistically as in 52.9 fWAR for Posey vs 41.8 from Molina. In terms of defense, using Fangraphs’ Def, Posey had 203.4 while Molina had 238.1. Obviously Molina was better defensively, but not by as much as you’d think. In terms of offense, Posey had a 128 wRC+ vs Molina’s 107. Using Fangraphs’ Off, Posey had 142.0 vs Molina’s -1.1. Posey was all-around the much better player, as evidenced by having 11 more fWAR over that period.
Sorry to point this out but WAR is not a very good metric to base a catcher on. Molina is not asked to provide any sort of offensive production. He is asked to manage a pitching staff and provide great defense. Buster Posey is expected to produce offensively and if his defense is serviceable than it’s a bonus. There are two totally different mindsets from two totally different major league organizations. I admit that posey is a better all around player but nobody in the history of this game has managed a pitching staff better and played gg caliber defense like Molina has done for the period of time he has done it. And Molina has been doing it for a lot longer than Posey has. Also I’m pretty sure Posey has never won a platinum glove and I believe Molina has won 4.
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@killerpresence4 said in 9th inning boss clue.:
@jogger171717_psn said in 9th inning boss clue.:
@killerpresence4 said in 9th inning boss clue.:
@jogger171717_psn said in 9th inning boss clue.:
@ericulous1_psn said in 9th inning boss clue.:
@jogger171717_psn said in 9th inning boss clue.:
@brainfreeze442 said in 9th inning boss clue.:
@jogger171717_psn said in 9th inning boss clue.:
It’s Bench.
Posey is going to get his own program just like Cabrera and Scherzer.
Cabrera and Scherzer got programs because they hit a milestone this season.
And? They were both career retrospective programs, exactly like what Posey’s would be. The milestone is just retirement instead. The best catcher over the last decade retiring should 100% warrant a similar program.
But Molina already got his program.
Cue: rehash of the Posey v. Molina debate.
I know you’re just messing around, but Posey was statistically the best catcher by far from 2010-2019. There’s really no debate to be had about that.
Statistically in what manner? Maybe offensively but Molina is a superior defender and probably the best pitching staff handler in baseball history. Sorry to point this out but a defensive catcher is far more valuable to a team than an offensive catcher. Now that’s not to say that Posey is a bad defensive catcher he just isn’t on the same level defensively as Molina.
Statistically as in 52.9 fWAR for Posey vs 41.8 from Molina. In terms of defense, using Fangraphs’ Def, Posey had 203.4 while Molina had 238.1. Obviously Molina was better defensively, but not by as much as you’d think. In terms of offense, Posey had a 128 wRC+ vs Molina’s 107. Using Fangraphs’ Off, Posey had 142.0 vs Molina’s -1.1. Posey was all-around the much better player, as evidenced by having 11 more fWAR over that period.
Sorry to point this out but WAR is not a very good metric to base a catcher on. Molina is not asked to provide any sort of offensive production. He is asked to manage a pitching staff and provide great defense. Buster Posey is expected to produce offensively and if his defense is serviceable than it’s a bonus. There are two totally different mindsets from two totally different major league organizations. I admit that posey is a better all around player but nobody in the history of this game has managed a pitching staff better and played gg caliber defense like Molina has done for the period of time he has done it. And Molina has been doing it for a lot longer than Posey has. Also I’m pretty sure Posey has never won a platinum glove and I believe Molina has won 4.
It literally doesn’t matter if Molina is expected to hit well or not. The whole point is that Posey actually could hit extremely well consistently and play elite defense at the same time, allowing him to statistically provide more value to his team. WAR (fWAR specifically) works just as well for catchers as any other position. The main fault of WAR for catchers in the earlier days was that it didn’t incorporate framing. Well, fWAR does incorporate framing now, making it perfectly acceptable and just as valid for catchers as any other position. This isn’t a career debate, it’s a debate about 2010-2019. And from 2010-2019, Posey was undeniably statistically the best catcher in baseball.
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@jogger171717_psn said in 9th inning boss clue.:
@killerpresence4 said in 9th inning boss clue.:
@jogger171717_psn said in 9th inning boss clue.:
@killerpresence4 said in 9th inning boss clue.:
@jogger171717_psn said in 9th inning boss clue.:
@ericulous1_psn said in 9th inning boss clue.:
@jogger171717_psn said in 9th inning boss clue.:
@brainfreeze442 said in 9th inning boss clue.:
@jogger171717_psn said in 9th inning boss clue.:
It’s Bench.
Posey is going to get his own program just like Cabrera and Scherzer.
Cabrera and Scherzer got programs because they hit a milestone this season.
And? They were both career retrospective programs, exactly like what Posey’s would be. The milestone is just retirement instead. The best catcher over the last decade retiring should 100% warrant a similar program.
But Molina already got his program.
Cue: rehash of the Posey v. Molina debate.
I know you’re just messing around, but Posey was statistically the best catcher by far from 2010-2019. There’s really no debate to be had about that.
Statistically in what manner? Maybe offensively but Molina is a superior defender and probably the best pitching staff handler in baseball history. Sorry to point this out but a defensive catcher is far more valuable to a team than an offensive catcher. Now that’s not to say that Posey is a bad defensive catcher he just isn’t on the same level defensively as Molina.
Statistically as in 52.9 fWAR for Posey vs 41.8 from Molina. In terms of defense, using Fangraphs’ Def, Posey had 203.4 while Molina had 238.1. Obviously Molina was better defensively, but not by as much as you’d think. In terms of offense, Posey had a 128 wRC+ vs Molina’s 107. Using Fangraphs’ Off, Posey had 142.0 vs Molina’s -1.1. Posey was all-around the much better player, as evidenced by having 11 more fWAR over that period.
Sorry to point this out but WAR is not a very good metric to base a catcher on. Molina is not asked to provide any sort of offensive production. He is asked to manage a pitching staff and provide great defense. Buster Posey is expected to produce offensively and if his defense is serviceable than it’s a bonus. There are two totally different mindsets from two totally different major league organizations. I admit that posey is a better all around player but nobody in the history of this game has managed a pitching staff better and played gg caliber defense like Molina has done for the period of time he has done it. And Molina has been doing it for a lot longer than Posey has. Also I’m pretty sure Posey has never won a platinum glove and I believe Molina has won 4.
It literally doesn’t matter if Molina is expected to hit well or not. The whole point is that Posey actually could hit extremely well and play elite defense at the same time, allowing him to statistically provide more value to his team. WAR (fWAR specifically) works just as well for catchers as any other position. The main fault of WAR for catchers in the earlier days was that it didn’t incorporate framing. Well, fWAR does incorporate framing now, making it perfectly acceptable and just as valid for catchers as any other position. This isn’t a career debate, it’s a debate about 2010-2019. And from 2010-2019, Posey was undeniably statistically the best catcher in baseball.
All you’re going to do is argue for the sake of arguing so I’m not going to indulge you. You win? Keep this in mind, Posey is not a HOF lock where Molina is. All the advanced metrics can’t take into account what a certain person actually means to the team and ultimately the organization. Or what that one person has meant to the game in general. So please keep spouting the statical diarrhea I’m not biting anymore. Have a good night bud.
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@jogger171717_psn said in 9th inning boss clue.:
@brainfreeze442 said in 9th inning boss clue.:
@jogger171717_psn said in 9th inning boss clue.:
It’s Bench.
Posey is going to get his own program just like Cabrera and Scherzer.
Cabrera and Scherzer got programs because they hit a milestone this season.
And? They were both career retrospective programs, exactly like what Posey’s would be. The milestone is just retirement instead. The best catcher over the last decade retiring should 100% warrant a similar program.
And.. I am not saying he doesn’t deserve a program. I was just pointing out that his card could come out some other way, for example: the collection reward. However, I am not sure where the hostility is warranted.
