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@beatlesnews_psn said in CHAMPS:
Pablo Sandoval getting his 4th WS ring. He’s king of the rings.
Pablo should get two. He did facilitate the Rosario trade
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@jogger171717_psn said in CHAMPS:
@killerpresence4 said in CHAMPS:
@tonythetiger2k16 said in CHAMPS:
@ericulous1_psn said in CHAMPS:
Happy for the Braves, as a kid of the 90s and an NL guy, I had to root for them 5 times in the WS and only got the 1. Glad they had a bounce back season and a strong performance in all 3 rounds against great teams. Nobody can downplay their championship after beating the Brewers, Dodgers and Astros.
DEFINITELY!!!!! I NEVER EVER thought they would get past the Dodgers with the Rotation & Line-Up LA has. But ATL did upset them to win the series & advance. With HOU it was really 50/50 IMO with who will take the series. But I am happy to see ATL take it all. Congrats to them
Just because they were betting underdogs doesn’t mean that what they did was an upset. Most people don’t actually pay any attention to the intangibles. Like how they matchup position by position. Or how these teams matched up in the regular season. Going into that series with the Dodgers, the Braves were a comparatively similar offensive team to the Dodgers and a way better defensive team than the Dodgers. The seasons stats prove both of those statements. The only aspect the Dodgers had on paper was the pitching. And the Braves dominated them in the NLCS offensively and on the mound. So was it really an upset or was it a case of people looking at regular seasons win and losses and assuming the Braves were the inferior team. The Braves run differential in the regular season showed the Braves were a much better team then their record might indicate. That run differential was that of a nearly 100 win team not an 88 win team.
Just talking strictly offense, the braves were absolutely the underdogs.
Here’s everyone that started a game for the dodgers in the NLCS:
Betts - 131 wRC+ in the regular season
Seager - 147 wRC+
Smith - 130 wRC+
Taylor - 113 wRC+
Bellinger - 48 wRC+
Trea Turner - 142 wRC+
Justin Turner - 127 wRC+
Pollock - 137 wRC+
Lux - 91 wRC+
For an average wRC+ of 118And here’s everyone that started a game for the Braves in the NLCS:
Albies - 107 wRC+
Freeman - 135 wRC+
Riley - 135 wRC+
Swanson - 98 wRC+
d’Arnaud - 78 wRC+ (only played 60 games though)
Duvall - 103 wRC+
Pederson - 94 wRC+
Rosario - 98 wRC+
For an average wRC+ of 106A difference of 12 wRC+ is not significant. It’s a slight offensive advantage but certainly not at a prohibitive rate. And your stats are from a season long snapshot not from the trading deadline forward where all those players were significantly better than there seasonal totals. The Braves were not the same team post All Star break compared to pre break. So much of what your saying is taken out of context and comparisons cannot be made to the early portion of the season. Also you fail to include Acuna if your making a full season comparison who had a higher wRC+ than anybody on that Dodgers team. Also my post mentions that they were offensively similar not better. And based on what you just posted they were comparable. Slightly less wRC+ but have the Dodgers in other categories like power production. They were a lot closer than most people really think
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@urbanphilosophy_xbl said in CHAMPS:
@beatlesnews_psn said in CHAMPS:
Pablo Sandoval getting his 4th WS ring. He’s king of the rings.
Pablo should get two. He did facilitate the Rosario trade
I thought you were goona say so they can mold them around his fat finger.
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@killerpresence4 said in CHAMPS:
@jogger171717_psn said in CHAMPS:
@killerpresence4 said in CHAMPS:
@tonythetiger2k16 said in CHAMPS:
@ericulous1_psn said in CHAMPS:
Happy for the Braves, as a kid of the 90s and an NL guy, I had to root for them 5 times in the WS and only got the 1. Glad they had a bounce back season and a strong performance in all 3 rounds against great teams. Nobody can downplay their championship after beating the Brewers, Dodgers and Astros.
DEFINITELY!!!!! I NEVER EVER thought they would get past the Dodgers with the Rotation & Line-Up LA has. But ATL did upset them to win the series & advance. With HOU it was really 50/50 IMO with who will take the series. But I am happy to see ATL take it all. Congrats to them
Just because they were betting underdogs doesn’t mean that what they did was an upset. Most people don’t actually pay any attention to the intangibles. Like how they matchup position by position. Or how these teams matched up in the regular season. Going into that series with the Dodgers, the Braves were a comparatively similar offensive team to the Dodgers and a way better defensive team than the Dodgers. The seasons stats prove both of those statements. The only aspect the Dodgers had on paper was the pitching. And the Braves dominated them in the NLCS offensively and on the mound. So was it really an upset or was it a case of people looking at regular seasons win and losses and assuming the Braves were the inferior team. The Braves run differential in the regular season showed the Braves were a much better team then their record might indicate. That run differential was that of a nearly 100 win team not an 88 win team.
Just talking strictly offense, the braves were absolutely the underdogs.
Here’s everyone that started a game for the dodgers in the NLCS:
Betts - 131 wRC+ in the regular season
Seager - 147 wRC+
Smith - 130 wRC+
Taylor - 113 wRC+
Bellinger - 48 wRC+
Trea Turner - 142 wRC+
Justin Turner - 127 wRC+
Pollock - 137 wRC+
Lux - 91 wRC+
For an average wRC+ of 118And here’s everyone that started a game for the Braves in the NLCS:
Albies - 107 wRC+
Freeman - 135 wRC+
Riley - 135 wRC+
Swanson - 98 wRC+
d’Arnaud - 78 wRC+ (only played 60 games though)
Duvall - 103 wRC+
Pederson - 94 wRC+
Rosario - 98 wRC+
For an average wRC+ of 106A difference of 12 wRC+ is not significant. It’s a slight offensive advantage but certainly not at a prohibitive rate. And your stats are from a season long snapshot not from the trading deadline forward where all those players were significantly better than there seasonal totals. The Braves were not the same team post All Star break compared to pre break. So much of what your saying is taken out of context and comparisons cannot be made to the early portion of the season. Also you fail to include Acuna if your making a full season comparison who had a higher wRC+ than anybody on that Dodgers team. Also my post mentions that they were offensively similar not better. And based on what you just posted they were comparable. Slightly less wRC+ but have the Dodgers in other categories like power production. They were a lot closer than most people really think
Offensively I was saying before the Dodgers series that Atlanta was sneaky good. They were getting production from every hitter. Now I didn’t know about their pitching. And that’s where I thought the Dodgers had the clear advantage.
I think Atlanta surprised everyone because they don’t have the sexy big names.They have Freeman. Dodgers are loaded with star names. Trae, Mookie, Seager, Mad max, Kershaw... then even their second tier stars are more known than anyone on the Braves.
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MY BRAVES BABY, WE BEAT THE AssTROS
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@killerpresence4 said in CHAMPS:
@jogger171717_psn said in CHAMPS:
@killerpresence4 said in CHAMPS:
@tonythetiger2k16 said in CHAMPS:
@ericulous1_psn said in CHAMPS:
Happy for the Braves, as a kid of the 90s and an NL guy, I had to root for them 5 times in the WS and only got the 1. Glad they had a bounce back season and a strong performance in all 3 rounds against great teams. Nobody can downplay their championship after beating the Brewers, Dodgers and Astros.
DEFINITELY!!!!! I NEVER EVER thought they would get past the Dodgers with the Rotation & Line-Up LA has. But ATL did upset them to win the series & advance. With HOU it was really 50/50 IMO with who will take the series. But I am happy to see ATL take it all. Congrats to them
Just because they were betting underdogs doesn’t mean that what they did was an upset. Most people don’t actually pay any attention to the intangibles. Like how they matchup position by position. Or how these teams matched up in the regular season. Going into that series with the Dodgers, the Braves were a comparatively similar offensive team to the Dodgers and a way better defensive team than the Dodgers. The seasons stats prove both of those statements. The only aspect the Dodgers had on paper was the pitching. And the Braves dominated them in the NLCS offensively and on the mound. So was it really an upset or was it a case of people looking at regular seasons win and losses and assuming the Braves were the inferior team. The Braves run differential in the regular season showed the Braves were a much better team then their record might indicate. That run differential was that of a nearly 100 win team not an 88 win team.
Just talking strictly offense, the braves were absolutely the underdogs.
Here’s everyone that started a game for the dodgers in the NLCS:
Betts - 131 wRC+ in the regular season
Seager - 147 wRC+
Smith - 130 wRC+
Taylor - 113 wRC+
Bellinger - 48 wRC+
Trea Turner - 142 wRC+
Justin Turner - 127 wRC+
Pollock - 137 wRC+
Lux - 91 wRC+
For an average wRC+ of 118And here’s everyone that started a game for the Braves in the NLCS:
Albies - 107 wRC+
Freeman - 135 wRC+
Riley - 135 wRC+
Swanson - 98 wRC+
d’Arnaud - 78 wRC+ (only played 60 games though)
Duvall - 103 wRC+
Pederson - 94 wRC+
Rosario - 98 wRC+
For an average wRC+ of 106A difference of 12 wRC+ is not significant. It’s a slight offensive advantage but certainly not at a prohibitive rate. And your stats are from a season long snapshot not from the trading deadline forward where all those players were significantly better than there seasonal totals. The Braves were not the same team post All Star break compared to pre break. So much of what your saying is taken out of context and comparisons cannot be made to the early portion of the season. Also you fail to include Acuna if your making a full season comparison who had a higher wRC+ than anybody on that Dodgers team. Also my post mentions that they were offensively similar not better. And based on what you just posted they were comparable. Slightly less wRC+ but have the Dodgers in other categories like power production. They were a lot closer than most people really think
106 wRC+ vs 118 wRC+ is absolutely a significant difference. 3-4 points wouldn’t be very significant, but 12 very much is. You totally missed the point as well. I was only comparing the dodgers NLCS starters vs the Braves NLCS starters. What the Braves did as a team during the year is irrelevant to the point. Looking at how very starter for the dodgers performed in the regular season, vs how every braves starter performed in the regular season, tells us that the dodgers were starting much better offensive players overall. Based on wRC+, those two groups of players simply aren’t even comparable, the dodgers clearly had the offensive advantage on paper.
And obviously I’m not going to include Acuna because he was irrelevant to the NLCS lmao
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@jogger171717_psn said in CHAMPS:
@killerpresence4 said in CHAMPS:
@jogger171717_psn said in CHAMPS:
@killerpresence4 said in CHAMPS:
@tonythetiger2k16 said in CHAMPS:
@ericulous1_psn said in CHAMPS:
Happy for the Braves, as a kid of the 90s and an NL guy, I had to root for them 5 times in the WS and only got the 1. Glad they had a bounce back season and a strong performance in all 3 rounds against great teams. Nobody can downplay their championship after beating the Brewers, Dodgers and Astros.
DEFINITELY!!!!! I NEVER EVER thought they would get past the Dodgers with the Rotation & Line-Up LA has. But ATL did upset them to win the series & advance. With HOU it was really 50/50 IMO with who will take the series. But I am happy to see ATL take it all. Congrats to them
Just because they were betting underdogs doesn’t mean that what they did was an upset. Most people don’t actually pay any attention to the intangibles. Like how they matchup position by position. Or how these teams matched up in the regular season. Going into that series with the Dodgers, the Braves were a comparatively similar offensive team to the Dodgers and a way better defensive team than the Dodgers. The seasons stats prove both of those statements. The only aspect the Dodgers had on paper was the pitching. And the Braves dominated them in the NLCS offensively and on the mound. So was it really an upset or was it a case of people looking at regular seasons win and losses and assuming the Braves were the inferior team. The Braves run differential in the regular season showed the Braves were a much better team then their record might indicate. That run differential was that of a nearly 100 win team not an 88 win team.
Just talking strictly offense, the braves were absolutely the underdogs.
Here’s everyone that started a game for the dodgers in the NLCS:
Betts - 131 wRC+ in the regular season
Seager - 147 wRC+
Smith - 130 wRC+
Taylor - 113 wRC+
Bellinger - 48 wRC+
Trea Turner - 142 wRC+
Justin Turner - 127 wRC+
Pollock - 137 wRC+
Lux - 91 wRC+
For an average wRC+ of 118And here’s everyone that started a game for the Braves in the NLCS:
Albies - 107 wRC+
Freeman - 135 wRC+
Riley - 135 wRC+
Swanson - 98 wRC+
d’Arnaud - 78 wRC+ (only played 60 games though)
Duvall - 103 wRC+
Pederson - 94 wRC+
Rosario - 98 wRC+
For an average wRC+ of 106A difference of 12 wRC+ is not significant. It’s a slight offensive advantage but certainly not at a prohibitive rate. And your stats are from a season long snapshot not from the trading deadline forward where all those players were significantly better than there seasonal totals. The Braves were not the same team post All Star break compared to pre break. So much of what your saying is taken out of context and comparisons cannot be made to the early portion of the season. Also you fail to include Acuna if your making a full season comparison who had a higher wRC+ than anybody on that Dodgers team. Also my post mentions that they were offensively similar not better. And based on what you just posted they were comparable. Slightly less wRC+ but have the Dodgers in other categories like power production. They were a lot closer than most people really think
106 wRC+ vs 118 wRC+ is absolutely a significant difference. 3-4 points wouldn’t be very significant, but 12 very much is. You totally missed the point as well. I was only comparing the dodgers NLCS starters vs the Braves NLCS starters. What the Braves did as a team during the year is irrelevant to the point. Looking at how very starter for the dodgers performed in the regular season, vs how every braves starter performed in the regular season, tells us that the dodgers were starting much better offensive players overall. Based on wRC+, those two groups of players simply aren’t even comparable, the dodgers clearly had the offensive advantage on paper.
And obviously I’m not going to include Acuna because he was irrelevant to the NLCS lmao
You can’t make any comparisons to the Braves and Dodgers pre All Star Break. The Braves were a completely different team post All Star break. For example Austin Riley produced at a 170-180 wRC+ post all Star break. Freeman wasn’t much further behind. Same with Eddie Rosario, Dansby Swanson, Ozzie and so on and so forth. When the Dodgers faced the Braves in the NLCS, they were not facing a mediocre 88 win team. They were facing a team that was closer to a 100 win team. Offensively speaking from the All Star break to the NLCS the Braves were offensively similar with the Dodgers if not a bit better. I bet if you make a comparison of both of these teams like you did in your previous point from the All Star break forward you’ll be a bit surprised at the outcome. This is why you can’t compare these teams over the course of the full 162 game season because one of these teams was completely transformed mid way through the season. A better comparison would be both of these teams final 81 games or to narrow it even further the last 60 games.
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@killerpresence4 said in CHAMPS:
@jogger171717_psn said in CHAMPS:
@killerpresence4 said in CHAMPS:
@jogger171717_psn said in CHAMPS:
@killerpresence4 said in CHAMPS:
@tonythetiger2k16 said in CHAMPS:
@ericulous1_psn said in CHAMPS:
Happy for the Braves, as a kid of the 90s and an NL guy, I had to root for them 5 times in the WS and only got the 1. Glad they had a bounce back season and a strong performance in all 3 rounds against great teams. Nobody can downplay their championship after beating the Brewers, Dodgers and Astros.
DEFINITELY!!!!! I NEVER EVER thought they would get past the Dodgers with the Rotation & Line-Up LA has. But ATL did upset them to win the series & advance. With HOU it was really 50/50 IMO with who will take the series. But I am happy to see ATL take it all. Congrats to them
Just because they were betting underdogs doesn’t mean that what they did was an upset. Most people don’t actually pay any attention to the intangibles. Like how they matchup position by position. Or how these teams matched up in the regular season. Going into that series with the Dodgers, the Braves were a comparatively similar offensive team to the Dodgers and a way better defensive team than the Dodgers. The seasons stats prove both of those statements. The only aspect the Dodgers had on paper was the pitching. And the Braves dominated them in the NLCS offensively and on the mound. So was it really an upset or was it a case of people looking at regular seasons win and losses and assuming the Braves were the inferior team. The Braves run differential in the regular season showed the Braves were a much better team then their record might indicate. That run differential was that of a nearly 100 win team not an 88 win team.
Just talking strictly offense, the braves were absolutely the underdogs.
Here’s everyone that started a game for the dodgers in the NLCS:
Betts - 131 wRC+ in the regular season
Seager - 147 wRC+
Smith - 130 wRC+
Taylor - 113 wRC+
Bellinger - 48 wRC+
Trea Turner - 142 wRC+
Justin Turner - 127 wRC+
Pollock - 137 wRC+
Lux - 91 wRC+
For an average wRC+ of 118And here’s everyone that started a game for the Braves in the NLCS:
Albies - 107 wRC+
Freeman - 135 wRC+
Riley - 135 wRC+
Swanson - 98 wRC+
d’Arnaud - 78 wRC+ (only played 60 games though)
Duvall - 103 wRC+
Pederson - 94 wRC+
Rosario - 98 wRC+
For an average wRC+ of 106A difference of 12 wRC+ is not significant. It’s a slight offensive advantage but certainly not at a prohibitive rate. And your stats are from a season long snapshot not from the trading deadline forward where all those players were significantly better than there seasonal totals. The Braves were not the same team post All Star break compared to pre break. So much of what your saying is taken out of context and comparisons cannot be made to the early portion of the season. Also you fail to include Acuna if your making a full season comparison who had a higher wRC+ than anybody on that Dodgers team. Also my post mentions that they were offensively similar not better. And based on what you just posted they were comparable. Slightly less wRC+ but have the Dodgers in other categories like power production. They were a lot closer than most people really think
106 wRC+ vs 118 wRC+ is absolutely a significant difference. 3-4 points wouldn’t be very significant, but 12 very much is. You totally missed the point as well. I was only comparing the dodgers NLCS starters vs the Braves NLCS starters. What the Braves did as a team during the year is irrelevant to the point. Looking at how very starter for the dodgers performed in the regular season, vs how every braves starter performed in the regular season, tells us that the dodgers were starting much better offensive players overall. Based on wRC+, those two groups of players simply aren’t even comparable, the dodgers clearly had the offensive advantage on paper.
And obviously I’m not going to include Acuna because he was irrelevant to the NLCS lmao
You can’t make any comparisons to the Braves and Dodgers pre All Star Break. The Braves were a completely different team post All Star break. For example Austin Riley produced at a 170-180 wRC+ post all Star break. Freeman wasn’t much further behind. Same with Eddie Rosario, Dansby Swanson, Ozzie and so on and so forth. When the Dodgers faced the Braves in the NLCS, they were not facing a mediocre 88 win team. They were facing a team that was closer to a 100 win team. Offensively speaking from the All Star break to the NLCS the Braves were offensively similar with the Dodgers if not a bit better. I bet if you make a comparison of both of these teams like you did in your previous point from the All Star break forward you’ll be a bit surprised at the outcome. This is why you can’t compare these teams over the course of the full 162 game season because one of these teams was completely transformed mid way through the season. A better comparison would be both of these teams final 81 games or to narrow it even further the last 60 games.
It doesn’t matter what they did post-All Star break lmao. The comparison is based on season stats, not half-season stats. For instance, Eddie Rosario was in no way a good hitter during the regular season, as evidenced by his 98 wRC+. On paper, he along with the rest of the players that started for the Braves during the NLCS, were undeniably worse overall during the season than the dodgers NLCS starter were. That’s the whole point. I don’t care if they were better in the 2nd half, going into the championship series the Braves lineup was statistically worse offensively than the dodgers lineup overall. You’re clearly a Braves fan, so I’m not sure why you want them to not be seen as the underdogs anyway. It only makes them look better lmao.
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@jogger171717_psn said in CHAMPS:
@killerpresence4 said in CHAMPS:
@jogger171717_psn said in CHAMPS:
@killerpresence4 said in CHAMPS:
@jogger171717_psn said in CHAMPS:
@killerpresence4 said in CHAMPS:
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@ericulous1_psn said in CHAMPS:
Happy for the Braves, as a kid of the 90s and an NL guy, I had to root for them 5 times in the WS and only got the 1. Glad they had a bounce back season and a strong performance in all 3 rounds against great teams. Nobody can downplay their championship after beating the Brewers, Dodgers and Astros.
DEFINITELY!!!!! I NEVER EVER thought they would get past the Dodgers with the Rotation & Line-Up LA has. But ATL did upset them to win the series & advance. With HOU it was really 50/50 IMO with who will take the series. But I am happy to see ATL take it all. Congrats to them
Just because they were betting underdogs doesn’t mean that what they did was an upset. Most people don’t actually pay any attention to the intangibles. Like how they matchup position by position. Or how these teams matched up in the regular season. Going into that series with the Dodgers, the Braves were a comparatively similar offensive team to the Dodgers and a way better defensive team than the Dodgers. The seasons stats prove both of those statements. The only aspect the Dodgers had on paper was the pitching. And the Braves dominated them in the NLCS offensively and on the mound. So was it really an upset or was it a case of people looking at regular seasons win and losses and assuming the Braves were the inferior team. The Braves run differential in the regular season showed the Braves were a much better team then their record might indicate. That run differential was that of a nearly 100 win team not an 88 win team.
Just talking strictly offense, the braves were absolutely the underdogs.
Here’s everyone that started a game for the dodgers in the NLCS:
Betts - 131 wRC+ in the regular season
Seager - 147 wRC+
Smith - 130 wRC+
Taylor - 113 wRC+
Bellinger - 48 wRC+
Trea Turner - 142 wRC+
Justin Turner - 127 wRC+
Pollock - 137 wRC+
Lux - 91 wRC+
For an average wRC+ of 118And here’s everyone that started a game for the Braves in the NLCS:
Albies - 107 wRC+
Freeman - 135 wRC+
Riley - 135 wRC+
Swanson - 98 wRC+
d’Arnaud - 78 wRC+ (only played 60 games though)
Duvall - 103 wRC+
Pederson - 94 wRC+
Rosario - 98 wRC+
For an average wRC+ of 106A difference of 12 wRC+ is not significant. It’s a slight offensive advantage but certainly not at a prohibitive rate. And your stats are from a season long snapshot not from the trading deadline forward where all those players were significantly better than there seasonal totals. The Braves were not the same team post All Star break compared to pre break. So much of what your saying is taken out of context and comparisons cannot be made to the early portion of the season. Also you fail to include Acuna if your making a full season comparison who had a higher wRC+ than anybody on that Dodgers team. Also my post mentions that they were offensively similar not better. And based on what you just posted they were comparable. Slightly less wRC+ but have the Dodgers in other categories like power production. They were a lot closer than most people really think
106 wRC+ vs 118 wRC+ is absolutely a significant difference. 3-4 points wouldn’t be very significant, but 12 very much is. You totally missed the point as well. I was only comparing the dodgers NLCS starters vs the Braves NLCS starters. What the Braves did as a team during the year is irrelevant to the point. Looking at how very starter for the dodgers performed in the regular season, vs how every braves starter performed in the regular season, tells us that the dodgers were starting much better offensive players overall. Based on wRC+, those two groups of players simply aren’t even comparable, the dodgers clearly had the offensive advantage on paper.
And obviously I’m not going to include Acuna because he was irrelevant to the NLCS lmao
You can’t make any comparisons to the Braves and Dodgers pre All Star Break. The Braves were a completely different team post All Star break. For example Austin Riley produced at a 170-180 wRC+ post all Star break. Freeman wasn’t much further behind. Same with Eddie Rosario, Dansby Swanson, Ozzie and so on and so forth. When the Dodgers faced the Braves in the NLCS, they were not facing a mediocre 88 win team. They were facing a team that was closer to a 100 win team. Offensively speaking from the All Star break to the NLCS the Braves were offensively similar with the Dodgers if not a bit better. I bet if you make a comparison of both of these teams like you did in your previous point from the All Star break forward you’ll be a bit surprised at the outcome. This is why you can’t compare these teams over the course of the full 162 game season because one of these teams was completely transformed mid way through the season. A better comparison would be both of these teams final 81 games or to narrow it even further the last 60 games.
It doesn’t matter what they did post-All Star break lmao. The comparison is based on season stats, not half-season stats. For instance, Eddie Rosario was in no way a good hitter during the regular season, as evidenced by his 98 wRC+. On paper, he along with the rest of the players that started for the Braves during the NLCS, were undeniably worse overall during the season than the dodgers NLCS starter were. That’s the whole point. I don’t care if they were better in the 2nd half, going into the championship series the Braves lineup was statistically worse offensively than the dodgers lineup overall. You’re clearly a Braves fan, so I’m not sure why you want them to not be seen as the underdogs anyway. It only makes them look better lmao.
You’re joking right!!!! You honestly have to be joking!!!! Has the circus really rolled into town??? If what you said holds any water than Vegas odds never change. Oh wait, they do on a daily basis. That’s the argument. They were overlooked because everyone was making prediction based on stats that were irrelevant. Just like the argument you’re making. Whole season stats are irrelevant to what happened from the All Star break up to the post season. No other team was performing at the same level as the Braves entering postseason and if you say that the way a team was performing prior to the postseason doesn’t significantly effect how the team will perform during the postseason then you don’t know your baseball history. Need I remind you of the Nationals from 2019, the Giants from 2014, or the Miracle Mets. There are other examples but those are the ones that stick out the most. Yeah if you make seasonal comparisons than what the Braves did was truly unbelievable. But add the proper context and what they did should surprise no one especially the Dodgers. Vegas making them as big of an underdog as they did just shows that odds makers are human too and perhaps need to reevaluate how they determine odds. Because a closer look at the important numbers will show you that the Dodgers were not facing a typical 88 win team.
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@killerpresence4 said in CHAMPS:
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@killerpresence4 said in CHAMPS:
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@ericulous1_psn said in CHAMPS:
Happy for the Braves, as a kid of the 90s and an NL guy, I had to root for them 5 times in the WS and only got the 1. Glad they had a bounce back season and a strong performance in all 3 rounds against great teams. Nobody can downplay their championship after beating the Brewers, Dodgers and Astros.
DEFINITELY!!!!! I NEVER EVER thought they would get past the Dodgers with the Rotation & Line-Up LA has. But ATL did upset them to win the series & advance. With HOU it was really 50/50 IMO with who will take the series. But I am happy to see ATL take it all. Congrats to them
Just because they were betting underdogs doesn’t mean that what they did was an upset. Most people don’t actually pay any attention to the intangibles. Like how they matchup position by position. Or how these teams matched up in the regular season. Going into that series with the Dodgers, the Braves were a comparatively similar offensive team to the Dodgers and a way better defensive team than the Dodgers. The seasons stats prove both of those statements. The only aspect the Dodgers had on paper was the pitching. And the Braves dominated them in the NLCS offensively and on the mound. So was it really an upset or was it a case of people looking at regular seasons win and losses and assuming the Braves were the inferior team. The Braves run differential in the regular season showed the Braves were a much better team then their record might indicate. That run differential was that of a nearly 100 win team not an 88 win team.
Just talking strictly offense, the braves were absolutely the underdogs.
Here’s everyone that started a game for the dodgers in the NLCS:
Betts - 131 wRC+ in the regular season
Seager - 147 wRC+
Smith - 130 wRC+
Taylor - 113 wRC+
Bellinger - 48 wRC+
Trea Turner - 142 wRC+
Justin Turner - 127 wRC+
Pollock - 137 wRC+
Lux - 91 wRC+
For an average wRC+ of 118And here’s everyone that started a game for the Braves in the NLCS:
Albies - 107 wRC+
Freeman - 135 wRC+
Riley - 135 wRC+
Swanson - 98 wRC+
d’Arnaud - 78 wRC+ (only played 60 games though)
Duvall - 103 wRC+
Pederson - 94 wRC+
Rosario - 98 wRC+
For an average wRC+ of 106A difference of 12 wRC+ is not significant. It’s a slight offensive advantage but certainly not at a prohibitive rate. And your stats are from a season long snapshot not from the trading deadline forward where all those players were significantly better than there seasonal totals. The Braves were not the same team post All Star break compared to pre break. So much of what your saying is taken out of context and comparisons cannot be made to the early portion of the season. Also you fail to include Acuna if your making a full season comparison who had a higher wRC+ than anybody on that Dodgers team. Also my post mentions that they were offensively similar not better. And based on what you just posted they were comparable. Slightly less wRC+ but have the Dodgers in other categories like power production. They were a lot closer than most people really think
106 wRC+ vs 118 wRC+ is absolutely a significant difference. 3-4 points wouldn’t be very significant, but 12 very much is. You totally missed the point as well. I was only comparing the dodgers NLCS starters vs the Braves NLCS starters. What the Braves did as a team during the year is irrelevant to the point. Looking at how very starter for the dodgers performed in the regular season, vs how every braves starter performed in the regular season, tells us that the dodgers were starting much better offensive players overall. Based on wRC+, those two groups of players simply aren’t even comparable, the dodgers clearly had the offensive advantage on paper.
And obviously I’m not going to include Acuna because he was irrelevant to the NLCS lmao
You can’t make any comparisons to the Braves and Dodgers pre All Star Break. The Braves were a completely different team post All Star break. For example Austin Riley produced at a 170-180 wRC+ post all Star break. Freeman wasn’t much further behind. Same with Eddie Rosario, Dansby Swanson, Ozzie and so on and so forth. When the Dodgers faced the Braves in the NLCS, they were not facing a mediocre 88 win team. They were facing a team that was closer to a 100 win team. Offensively speaking from the All Star break to the NLCS the Braves were offensively similar with the Dodgers if not a bit better. I bet if you make a comparison of both of these teams like you did in your previous point from the All Star break forward you’ll be a bit surprised at the outcome. This is why you can’t compare these teams over the course of the full 162 game season because one of these teams was completely transformed mid way through the season. A better comparison would be both of these teams final 81 games or to narrow it even further the last 60 games.
It doesn’t matter what they did post-All Star break lmao. The comparison is based on season stats, not half-season stats. For instance, Eddie Rosario was in no way a good hitter during the regular season, as evidenced by his 98 wRC+. On paper, he along with the rest of the players that started for the Braves during the NLCS, were undeniably worse overall during the season than the dodgers NLCS starter were. That’s the whole point. I don’t care if they were better in the 2nd half, going into the championship series the Braves lineup was statistically worse offensively than the dodgers lineup overall. You’re clearly a Braves fan, so I’m not sure why you want them to not be seen as the underdogs anyway. It only makes them look better lmao.
You’re joking right!!!! You honestly have to be joking!!!! Has the circus really rolled into town??? If what you said holds any water than Vegas odds never change. Oh wait, they do on a daily basis. That’s the argument. They were overlooked because everyone was making prediction based on stats that were irrelevant. Just like the argument you’re making. Whole season stats are irrelevant to what happened from the All Star break up to the post season. No other team was performing at the same level as the Braves entering postseason and if you say that the way a team was performing prior to the postseason doesn’t significantly effect how the team will perform during the postseason then you don’t know your baseball history. Need I remind you of the Nationals from 2019, the Giants from 2014, or the Miracle Mets. There are other examples but those are the ones that stick out the most. Yeah if you make seasonal comparisons than what the Braves did was truly unbelievable. But add the proper context and what they did should surprise no one especially the Dodgers. Vegas making them as big of an underdog as they did just shows that odds makers are human too and perhaps need to reevaluate how they determine odds. Because a closer look at the important numbers will show you that the Dodgers were not facing a typical 88 win team.
Calm down my guy. The braves offense as a whole was simply worse than the dodgers on paper. It’s as simple as that. I’m really worried you’re going to have an aneurysm over this, because your blood pressure is clearly elevated. The braves were the underdogs because they were statistically worse offensively than the dodgers on the year. Simple as.
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When looking in standings with Last 10 games, EVERY Team goes thru it's stretches with winning 3 of 10 or 2 of 10 & even 1 of 10. It happens. However it really sucks when that stretch happens within a 7 game series, especially within the NLCS, ALCS or World Series. The better team does NOT always win. This is why I HATE 1 game deciding WC Playoff. 1 & done. Too much riding to be decided on just 1 game only. However back to what I was trying to say. I am very happy Atlanta won because I was just pulling more for Freeman & him getting a ring after being a lifetime career ATL player. But IMO the Dodgers were the better team going in to the series over all with season wins, the rotation they have & as well the line-up they had. So back to what I said within my 1st two sentences. The Dodgers just fell into that bad stretch at the worst possible time. It happens. As well the bottom line is that ATL won ONLY 88 games. LA was the better team ALL season long consistently & ATL was NOT. However ANYTHING can happen within a 7 Game Series. That's the reality & no matter what stats are, it does NOT matter.
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All you got to is get to the dance. Doesnt matter if you have 85 wins or 110, the hotter team AT THE TIME usually prevails. And the braves were hot. And guys that play together and have fun with each other is usually better than to just have a bunch of stars on paper. Ask the Yankees and Dodgers I guess. They always when the off season but they dont always win win it matters.
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@chuckclc_psn said in CHAMPS:
All you got to is get to the dance. Doesnt matter if you have 85 wins or 110, the hotter team AT THE TIME usually prevails. And the braves were hot. And guys that play together and have fun with each other is usually better than to just have a bunch of stars on paper. Ask the Yankees and Dodgers I guess.
Pretty much correct. Several times before the Wild Card Team was the Team that went all the way to win it all. Season Wins & Stats does NOT matter because within a 7 game series anything can happen. The Weaker Team is on a Hot Streak & the Stronger Team just suddenly fell into a slump. It happens. ONLY thing Season Wins & Stats provide is to predict which is the favorite to win. However that does NOT guarantee that they will win.
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My Braves did it! Gonna enjoy dropping taters with Soler soon!
Thrilled for Freeman.
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Happy for the Braves, as a kid of the 90s and an NL guy, I had to root for them 5 times in the WS and only got the 1. Glad they had a bounce back season and a strong performance in all 3 rounds against great teams. Nobody can downplay their championship after beating the Brewers, Dodgers and Astros.
DEFINITELY!!!!! I NEVER EVER thought they would get past the Dodgers with the Rotation & Line-Up LA has. But ATL did upset them to win the series & advance. With HOU it was really 50/50 IMO with who will take the series. But I am happy to see ATL take it all. Congrats to them
Just because they were betting underdogs doesn’t mean that what they did was an upset. Most people don’t actually pay any attention to the intangibles. Like how they matchup position by position. Or how these teams matched up in the regular season. Going into that series with the Dodgers, the Braves were a comparatively similar offensive team to the Dodgers and a way better defensive team than the Dodgers. The seasons stats prove both of those statements. The only aspect the Dodgers had on paper was the pitching. And the Braves dominated them in the NLCS offensively and on the mound. So was it really an upset or was it a case of people looking at regular seasons win and losses and assuming the Braves were the inferior team. The Braves run differential in the regular season showed the Braves were a much better team then their record might indicate. That run differential was that of a nearly 100 win team not an 88 win team.
Just talking strictly offense, the braves were absolutely the underdogs.
Here’s everyone that started a game for the dodgers in the NLCS:
Betts - 131 wRC+ in the regular season
Seager - 147 wRC+
Smith - 130 wRC+
Taylor - 113 wRC+
Bellinger - 48 wRC+
Trea Turner - 142 wRC+
Justin Turner - 127 wRC+
Pollock - 137 wRC+
Lux - 91 wRC+
For an average wRC+ of 118And here’s everyone that started a game for the Braves in the NLCS:
Albies - 107 wRC+
Freeman - 135 wRC+
Riley - 135 wRC+
Swanson - 98 wRC+
d’Arnaud - 78 wRC+ (only played 60 games though)
Duvall - 103 wRC+
Pederson - 94 wRC+
Rosario - 98 wRC+
For an average wRC+ of 106A difference of 12 wRC+ is not significant. It’s a slight offensive advantage but certainly not at a prohibitive rate. And your stats are from a season long snapshot not from the trading deadline forward where all those players were significantly better than there seasonal totals. The Braves were not the same team post All Star break compared to pre break. So much of what your saying is taken out of context and comparisons cannot be made to the early portion of the season. Also you fail to include Acuna if your making a full season comparison who had a higher wRC+ than anybody on that Dodgers team. Also my post mentions that they were offensively similar not better. And based on what you just posted they were comparable. Slightly less wRC+ but have the Dodgers in other categories like power production. They were a lot closer than most people really think
106 wRC+ vs 118 wRC+ is absolutely a significant difference. 3-4 points wouldn’t be very significant, but 12 very much is. You totally missed the point as well. I was only comparing the dodgers NLCS starters vs the Braves NLCS starters. What the Braves did as a team during the year is irrelevant to the point. Looking at how very starter for the dodgers performed in the regular season, vs how every braves starter performed in the regular season, tells us that the dodgers were starting much better offensive players overall. Based on wRC+, those two groups of players simply aren’t even comparable, the dodgers clearly had the offensive advantage on paper.
And obviously I’m not going to include Acuna because he was irrelevant to the NLCS lmao
You can’t make any comparisons to the Braves and Dodgers pre All Star Break. The Braves were a completely different team post All Star break. For example Austin Riley produced at a 170-180 wRC+ post all Star break. Freeman wasn’t much further behind. Same with Eddie Rosario, Dansby Swanson, Ozzie and so on and so forth. When the Dodgers faced the Braves in the NLCS, they were not facing a mediocre 88 win team. They were facing a team that was closer to a 100 win team. Offensively speaking from the All Star break to the NLCS the Braves were offensively similar with the Dodgers if not a bit better. I bet if you make a comparison of both of these teams like you did in your previous point from the All Star break forward you’ll be a bit surprised at the outcome. This is why you can’t compare these teams over the course of the full 162 game season because one of these teams was completely transformed mid way through the season. A better comparison would be both of these teams final 81 games or to narrow it even further the last 60 games.
It doesn’t matter what they did post-All Star break lmao. The comparison is based on season stats, not half-season stats. For instance, Eddie Rosario was in no way a good hitter during the regular season, as evidenced by his 98 wRC+. On paper, he along with the rest of the players that started for the Braves during the NLCS, were undeniably worse overall during the season than the dodgers NLCS starter were. That’s the whole point. I don’t care if they were better in the 2nd half, going into the championship series the Braves lineup was statistically worse offensively than the dodgers lineup overall. You’re clearly a Braves fan, so I’m not sure why you want them to not be seen as the underdogs anyway. It only makes them look better lmao.
You’re joking right!!!! You honestly have to be joking!!!! Has the circus really rolled into town??? If what you said holds any water than Vegas odds never change. Oh wait, they do on a daily basis. That’s the argument. They were overlooked because everyone was making prediction based on stats that were irrelevant. Just like the argument you’re making. Whole season stats are irrelevant to what happened from the All Star break up to the post season. No other team was performing at the same level as the Braves entering postseason and if you say that the way a team was performing prior to the postseason doesn’t significantly effect how the team will perform during the postseason then you don’t know your baseball history. Need I remind you of the Nationals from 2019, the Giants from 2014, or the Miracle Mets. There are other examples but those are the ones that stick out the most. Yeah if you make seasonal comparisons than what the Braves did was truly unbelievable. But add the proper context and what they did should surprise no one especially the Dodgers. Vegas making them as big of an underdog as they did just shows that odds makers are human too and perhaps need to reevaluate how they determine odds. Because a closer look at the important numbers will show you that the Dodgers were not facing a typical 88 win team.
Calm down my guy. The braves offense as a whole was simply worse than the dodgers on paper. It’s as simple as that. I’m really worried you’re going to have an aneurysm over this, because your blood pressure is clearly elevated. The braves were the underdogs because they were statistically worse offensively than the dodgers on the year. Simple as.
Man, I wouldn’t waste your time arguing with this guy. Many of us have tried. Many of us have failed. He simply can’t be reasoned with haha.
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Happy for the Braves, as a kid of the 90s and an NL guy, I had to root for them 5 times in the WS and only got the 1. Glad they had a bounce back season and a strong performance in all 3 rounds against great teams. Nobody can downplay their championship after beating the Brewers, Dodgers and Astros.
DEFINITELY!!!!! I NEVER EVER thought they would get past the Dodgers with the Rotation & Line-Up LA has. But ATL did upset them to win the series & advance. With HOU it was really 50/50 IMO with who will take the series. But I am happy to see ATL take it all. Congrats to them
Just because they were betting underdogs doesn’t mean that what they did was an upset. Most people don’t actually pay any attention to the intangibles. Like how they matchup position by position. Or how these teams matched up in the regular season. Going into that series with the Dodgers, the Braves were a comparatively similar offensive team to the Dodgers and a way better defensive team than the Dodgers. The seasons stats prove both of those statements. The only aspect the Dodgers had on paper was the pitching. And the Braves dominated them in the NLCS offensively and on the mound. So was it really an upset or was it a case of people looking at regular seasons win and losses and assuming the Braves were the inferior team. The Braves run differential in the regular season showed the Braves were a much better team then their record might indicate. That run differential was that of a nearly 100 win team not an 88 win team.
Just talking strictly offense, the braves were absolutely the underdogs.
Here’s everyone that started a game for the dodgers in the NLCS:
Betts - 131 wRC+ in the regular season
Seager - 147 wRC+
Smith - 130 wRC+
Taylor - 113 wRC+
Bellinger - 48 wRC+
Trea Turner - 142 wRC+
Justin Turner - 127 wRC+
Pollock - 137 wRC+
Lux - 91 wRC+
For an average wRC+ of 118And here’s everyone that started a game for the Braves in the NLCS:
Albies - 107 wRC+
Freeman - 135 wRC+
Riley - 135 wRC+
Swanson - 98 wRC+
d’Arnaud - 78 wRC+ (only played 60 games though)
Duvall - 103 wRC+
Pederson - 94 wRC+
Rosario - 98 wRC+
For an average wRC+ of 106A difference of 12 wRC+ is not significant. It’s a slight offensive advantage but certainly not at a prohibitive rate. And your stats are from a season long snapshot not from the trading deadline forward where all those players were significantly better than there seasonal totals. The Braves were not the same team post All Star break compared to pre break. So much of what your saying is taken out of context and comparisons cannot be made to the early portion of the season. Also you fail to include Acuna if your making a full season comparison who had a higher wRC+ than anybody on that Dodgers team. Also my post mentions that they were offensively similar not better. And based on what you just posted they were comparable. Slightly less wRC+ but have the Dodgers in other categories like power production. They were a lot closer than most people really think
While I'm a huge Braves fan, I really didn't think we would get past the Dodgers because of their pitching. The Dodgers were hot after the all-star break and the Braves bullpen was always suspect. The braves also struck out a lot. The biggest factor was clutch hitting and working the counts. It seemed like everything just clicked for them at the right time. Thank God!
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Happy for the Braves, as a kid of the 90s and an NL guy, I had to root for them 5 times in the WS and only got the 1. Glad they had a bounce back season and a strong performance in all 3 rounds against great teams. Nobody can downplay their championship after beating the Brewers, Dodgers and Astros.
DEFINITELY!!!!! I NEVER EVER thought they would get past the Dodgers with the Rotation & Line-Up LA has. But ATL did upset them to win the series & advance. With HOU it was really 50/50 IMO with who will take the series. But I am happy to see ATL take it all. Congrats to them
Just because they were betting underdogs doesn’t mean that what they did was an upset. Most people don’t actually pay any attention to the intangibles. Like how they matchup position by position. Or how these teams matched up in the regular season. Going into that series with the Dodgers, the Braves were a comparatively similar offensive team to the Dodgers and a way better defensive team than the Dodgers. The seasons stats prove both of those statements. The only aspect the Dodgers had on paper was the pitching. And the Braves dominated them in the NLCS offensively and on the mound. So was it really an upset or was it a case of people looking at regular seasons win and losses and assuming the Braves were the inferior team. The Braves run differential in the regular season showed the Braves were a much better team then their record might indicate. That run differential was that of a nearly 100 win team not an 88 win team.
Just talking strictly offense, the braves were absolutely the underdogs.
Here’s everyone that started a game for the dodgers in the NLCS:
Betts - 131 wRC+ in the regular season
Seager - 147 wRC+
Smith - 130 wRC+
Taylor - 113 wRC+
Bellinger - 48 wRC+
Trea Turner - 142 wRC+
Justin Turner - 127 wRC+
Pollock - 137 wRC+
Lux - 91 wRC+
For an average wRC+ of 118And here’s everyone that started a game for the Braves in the NLCS:
Albies - 107 wRC+
Freeman - 135 wRC+
Riley - 135 wRC+
Swanson - 98 wRC+
d’Arnaud - 78 wRC+ (only played 60 games though)
Duvall - 103 wRC+
Pederson - 94 wRC+
Rosario - 98 wRC+
For an average wRC+ of 106A difference of 12 wRC+ is not significant. It’s a slight offensive advantage but certainly not at a prohibitive rate. And your stats are from a season long snapshot not from the trading deadline forward where all those players were significantly better than there seasonal totals. The Braves were not the same team post All Star break compared to pre break. So much of what your saying is taken out of context and comparisons cannot be made to the early portion of the season. Also you fail to include Acuna if your making a full season comparison who had a higher wRC+ than anybody on that Dodgers team. Also my post mentions that they were offensively similar not better. And based on what you just posted they were comparable. Slightly less wRC+ but have the Dodgers in other categories like power production. They were a lot closer than most people really think
While I'm a huge Braves fan, I really didn't think we would get past the Dodgers because of their pitching. The Dodgers were hot after the all-star break and the Braves bullpen was always suspect. The braves also struck out a lot. The biggest factor was clutch hitting and working the counts. It seemed like everything just clicked for them at the right time. Thank God!
You know the Braves only struck out 45 more times over the season than the Dodgers. Like I said in previous posts the Braves were a lot more comparable offensively to the Dodgers than most people give them credit for.
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