Ohtani's "Greatest Season Ever"
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@dbarmonstar_psn said in Ohtani's "Greatest Season Ever":
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If it was 180 WAR to 175 maybe you’d have some credibly but it’s literally a huge gap and then when anybody tries to explain to you how your argument has holes and can be proven to be a poor argument you just yell that it’s your opinion and can’t possibly be wrong
Yeah it is a decent sized gap and Cobb played a lot more games and had a lot more plate appearances.
WAR aside, it is a lot closer of a debate.
That is what makes his avg and hits and how many times he struck out more impressive with that many PA and GP he hit over .300 23 straight years, had over 200 hits 8 season over .400 avg 3 times.
Even with all of that, we have wRC+ to tell us that Ruth just mashing HR after HR was overall more productive.
I am not going to get into all of that, there is no point on which you do not understand what it means to be the best ALL AROUND player. Cobb was the best hitter ever, Ruth was one of the Best power Hitters of all time the best is debatable, COBB is the Best ALL AROUND player ever IMO.
wRC+ literally tells us that Ruth was the better offensive player, period. Sometimes contact and speed is better, sometimes power is better. In this case, we can clearly see that Ruth’s power made him the better offensive player as opposed to Cobb’s contact and speed.
wRC+ is why we’re able to compare David fletcher to Joey Gallo, and determine Gallo has been a much better offensive player this year, despite fletcher having a .291 average and Gallo having a .201 average.
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@kdclemson_psn said in Ohtani's "Greatest Season Ever":
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If it was 180 WAR to 175 maybe you’d have some credibly but it’s literally a huge gap and then when anybody tries to explain to you how your argument has holes and can be proven to be a poor argument you just yell that it’s your opinion and can’t possibly be wrong
Yeah it is a decent sized gap and Cobb played a lot more games and had a lot more plate appearances.
WAR aside, it is a lot closer of a debate.
That is what makes his avg and hits and how many times he struck out more impressive with that many PA and GP he hit over .300 23 straight years, had over 200 hits 8 season over .400 avg 3 times.
Even with all of that, we have wRC+ to tell us that Ruth just mashing HR after HR was overall more productive.
It’s not worth it, dude likes opinions over stats, not a huge numbers guy.
Even though Ruth has a 197 wRC+ to Cobbs 165 wRC+
️I posted stats to state my opinion you just can not accept it that I think Cobb is the best ever.
I accept that you think that but also that it’s wrong. You posted hits and batting average man
I posted hits, avg, sb, Ruth had double the strikouts, Cobb broke 90 plus records, he still holds the BA record, You discredit COBB because he did not hit for power but he did for his Era, Fielding plus speed plus ARM COBB was better than RUTH we are taking about the best player not the best HR KING.
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@jogger171717_psn said in Ohtani's "Greatest Season Ever":
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@kdclemson_psn said in Ohtani's "Greatest Season Ever":
If it was 180 WAR to 175 maybe you’d have some credibly but it’s literally a huge gap and then when anybody tries to explain to you how your argument has holes and can be proven to be a poor argument you just yell that it’s your opinion and can’t possibly be wrong
Yeah it is a decent sized gap and Cobb played a lot more games and had a lot more plate appearances.
WAR aside, it is a lot closer of a debate.
That is what makes his avg and hits and how many times he struck out more impressive with that many PA and GP he hit over .300 23 straight years, had over 200 hits 8 season over .400 avg 3 times.
Even with all of that, we have wRC+ to tell us that Ruth just mashing HR after HR was overall more productive.
I am not going to get into all of that, there is no point on which you do not understand what it means to be the best ALL AROUND player. Cobb was the best hitter ever, Ruth was one of the Best power Hitters of all time the best is debatable, COBB is the Best ALL AROUND player ever IMO.
wRC+ literally tells us that Ruth was the better offensive player, period. Sometimes contact and speed is better, sometimes power is better. In this case, we can clearly see that Ruth’s power made him the better offensive player as opposed to Cobb’s contact and speed.
wRC+ is why we’re able to compare David fletcher to Joey Gallo, and determine Gallo has been a much better offensive player this year, despite fletcher having a .291 average and Gallo having a .201 average.
The best player ever is not just hitting it overall , COBB was the BETTER player that is what I think you can think Ruth and that is ok.
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@dbarmonstar_psn said in Ohtani's "Greatest Season Ever":
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@jogger171717_psn said in Ohtani's "Greatest Season Ever":
@dbarmonstar_psn said in Ohtani's "Greatest Season Ever":
@dewrock_psn said in Ohtani's "Greatest Season Ever":
@kdclemson_psn said in Ohtani's "Greatest Season Ever":
If it was 180 WAR to 175 maybe you’d have some credibly but it’s literally a huge gap and then when anybody tries to explain to you how your argument has holes and can be proven to be a poor argument you just yell that it’s your opinion and can’t possibly be wrong
Yeah it is a decent sized gap and Cobb played a lot more games and had a lot more plate appearances.
WAR aside, it is a lot closer of a debate.
That is what makes his avg and hits and how many times he struck out more impressive with that many PA and GP he hit over .300 23 straight years, had over 200 hits 8 season over .400 avg 3 times.
Even with all of that, we have wRC+ to tell us that Ruth just mashing HR after HR was overall more productive.
I am not going to get into all of that, there is no point on which you do not understand what it means to be the best ALL AROUND player. Cobb was the best hitter ever, Ruth was one of the Best power Hitters of all time the best is debatable, COBB is the Best ALL AROUND player ever IMO.
wRC+ literally tells us that Ruth was the better offensive player, period. Sometimes contact and speed is better, sometimes power is better. In this case, we can clearly see that Ruth’s power made him the better offensive player as opposed to Cobb’s contact and speed.
wRC+ is why we’re able to compare David fletcher to Joey Gallo, and determine Gallo has been a much better offensive player this year, despite fletcher having a .291 average and Gallo having a .201 average.
The best player ever is not just hitting it overall , COBB was the BETTER player that is what I think you can think Ruth and that is ok.
Except the very best available metrics we have for both total overall value and offensive production say that Ruth was not only the better offensive player, but the better player as a whole.
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@jogger171717_psn said in Ohtani's "Greatest Season Ever":
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@dbarmonstar_psn said in Ohtani's "Greatest Season Ever":
@jogger171717_psn said in Ohtani's "Greatest Season Ever":
@dbarmonstar_psn said in Ohtani's "Greatest Season Ever":
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@kdclemson_psn said in Ohtani's "Greatest Season Ever":
If it was 180 WAR to 175 maybe you’d have some credibly but it’s literally a huge gap and then when anybody tries to explain to you how your argument has holes and can be proven to be a poor argument you just yell that it’s your opinion and can’t possibly be wrong
Yeah it is a decent sized gap and Cobb played a lot more games and had a lot more plate appearances.
WAR aside, it is a lot closer of a debate.
That is what makes his avg and hits and how many times he struck out more impressive with that many PA and GP he hit over .300 23 straight years, had over 200 hits 8 season over .400 avg 3 times.
Even with all of that, we have wRC+ to tell us that Ruth just mashing HR after HR was overall more productive.
I am not going to get into all of that, there is no point on which you do not understand what it means to be the best ALL AROUND player. Cobb was the best hitter ever, Ruth was one of the Best power Hitters of all time the best is debatable, COBB is the Best ALL AROUND player ever IMO.
wRC+ literally tells us that Ruth was the better offensive player, period. Sometimes contact and speed is better, sometimes power is better. In this case, we can clearly see that Ruth’s power made him the better offensive player as opposed to Cobb’s contact and speed.
wRC+ is why we’re able to compare David fletcher to Joey Gallo, and determine Gallo has been a much better offensive player this year, despite fletcher having a .291 average and Gallo having a .201 average.
The best player ever is not just hitting it overall , COBB was the BETTER player that is what I think you can think Ruth and that is ok.
Except the very best available metrics we have for both total overall value and offensive production say that Ruth was better.
We are not talking just offensively we are talking best ever player COBB was a better hitter than Ruth, was faster better baserunner there is more to baseball than hitting HR's. Cobb had the better arm. Cobb played the Outfield for 24 years. Was the leader in SB until 1985. I know SB does not mean anything now but it did back than. I do not need Metrics to tell me who the better hitter was or who was faster, better arm and in the field. COBB ALL AROUND was the better player.
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@dbarmonstar_psn said in Ohtani's "Greatest Season Ever":
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@kdclemson_psn said in Ohtani's "Greatest Season Ever":
If it was 180 WAR to 175 maybe you’d have some credibly but it’s literally a huge gap and then when anybody tries to explain to you how your argument has holes and can be proven to be a poor argument you just yell that it’s your opinion and can’t possibly be wrong
Yeah it is a decent sized gap and Cobb played a lot more games and had a lot more plate appearances.
WAR aside, it is a lot closer of a debate.
That is what makes his avg and hits and how many times he struck out more impressive with that many PA and GP he hit over .300 23 straight years, had over 200 hits 8 season over .400 avg 3 times.
Even with all of that, we have wRC+ to tell us that Ruth just mashing HR after HR was overall more productive.
I am not going to get into all of that, there is no point on which you do not understand what it means to be the best ALL AROUND player. Cobb was the best hitter ever, Ruth was one of the Best power Hitters of all time the best is debatable, COBB is the Best ALL AROUND player ever IMO.
wRC+ literally tells us that Ruth was the better offensive player, period. Sometimes contact and speed is better, sometimes power is better. In this case, we can clearly see that Ruth’s power made him the better offensive player as opposed to Cobb’s contact and speed.
wRC+ is why we’re able to compare David fletcher to Joey Gallo, and determine Gallo has been a much better offensive player this year, despite fletcher having a .291 average and Gallo having a .201 average.
The best player ever is not just hitting it overall , COBB was the BETTER player that is what I think you can think Ruth and that is ok.
Except the very best available metrics we have for both total overall value and offensive production say that Ruth was better.
We are not talking just offensively we are talking best ever player COBB was a better hitter than Ruth, was faster better baserunner there is more to baseball than hitting HR's. Cobb had the better arm. Cobb played the Outfield for 24 years. Was the leader in SB until 1985. I know SB does not mean anything now but it did back than. I do not need Metrics to tell me who the better hitter was or who was faster, better arm and in the field. COBB ALL AROUND was the better player.
I really can’t tell if you’re serious now or not.
wRC+ and fWAR take everything you’ve been saying into account, via one or the other.
wRC+ tells us Ruth was the better offensive player, fWAR tells us Ruth was also the better overall player. It’s really not that complicated.
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@jogger171717_psn said in Ohtani's "Greatest Season Ever":
@dbarmonstar_psn said in Ohtani's "Greatest Season Ever":
@jogger171717_psn said in Ohtani's "Greatest Season Ever":
@dbarmonstar_psn said in Ohtani's "Greatest Season Ever":
@jogger171717_psn said in Ohtani's "Greatest Season Ever":
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@kdclemson_psn said in Ohtani's "Greatest Season Ever":
If it was 180 WAR to 175 maybe you’d have some credibly but it’s literally a huge gap and then when anybody tries to explain to you how your argument has holes and can be proven to be a poor argument you just yell that it’s your opinion and can’t possibly be wrong
Yeah it is a decent sized gap and Cobb played a lot more games and had a lot more plate appearances.
WAR aside, it is a lot closer of a debate.
That is what makes his avg and hits and how many times he struck out more impressive with that many PA and GP he hit over .300 23 straight years, had over 200 hits 8 season over .400 avg 3 times.
Even with all of that, we have wRC+ to tell us that Ruth just mashing HR after HR was overall more productive.
I am not going to get into all of that, there is no point on which you do not understand what it means to be the best ALL AROUND player. Cobb was the best hitter ever, Ruth was one of the Best power Hitters of all time the best is debatable, COBB is the Best ALL AROUND player ever IMO.
wRC+ literally tells us that Ruth was the better offensive player, period. Sometimes contact and speed is better, sometimes power is better. In this case, we can clearly see that Ruth’s power made him the better offensive player as opposed to Cobb’s contact and speed.
wRC+ is why we’re able to compare David fletcher to Joey Gallo, and determine Gallo has been a much better offensive player this year, despite fletcher having a .291 average and Gallo having a .201 average.
The best player ever is not just hitting it overall , COBB was the BETTER player that is what I think you can think Ruth and that is ok.
Except the very best available metrics we have for both total overall value and offensive production say that Ruth was better.
We are not talking just offensively we are talking best ever player COBB was a better hitter than Ruth, was faster better baserunner there is more to baseball than hitting HR's. Cobb had the better arm. Cobb played the Outfield for 24 years. Was the leader in SB until 1985. I know SB does not mean anything now but it did back than. I do not need Metrics to tell me who the better hitter was or who was faster, better arm and in the field. COBB ALL AROUND was the better player.
I really can’t tell if you’re serious now or not.
wRC+ and fWAR take everything you’ve been saying into account, via one or the other.
wRC+ tells us Ruth was the better offensive player, fWAR tells us Ruth was also the better overall player. It’s really not that complicated.
You trying to tell me the metrics says Ruth was better Outfielder had a better arm and was better on the bases and had more speed. Realist you are using a formula to decide for you, I am using facts and what I have researched know about the two players. No way Ruth was a better hitter, Power yes hitter no. Speed not even close, arm no way, Fielding NO, Ruth played First as well as the outfield. COBB only played the OutField, I will take Cobb over Ruth. You can look at what ever formula and metrics you want. I will look at the stats. At the end day it all what you think based on the information and stats that we have.
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For one those metrics do not show how speed was valued back then, the metrics show that speed basically has no value. H
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@dbarber600_MLBTS LOL now I know your trolling because Ruth was a better defender too, how does Cobb have a better arm when he has a lower defensive WAR and Ruth literally pitched earlier
So his pure offensive value (wRC+) is worse and his defense. Stop trolling
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@kdclemson_psn said in Ohtani's "Greatest Season Ever":
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@kdclemson_psn said in Ohtani's "Greatest Season Ever":
If it was 180 WAR to 175 maybe you’d have some credibly but it’s literally a huge gap and then when anybody tries to explain to you how your argument has holes and can be proven to be a poor argument you just yell that it’s your opinion and can’t possibly be wrong
Yeah it is a decent sized gap and Cobb played a lot more games and had a lot more plate appearances.
WAR aside, it is a lot closer of a debate.
That is what makes his avg and hits and how many times he struck out more impressive with that many PA and GP he hit over .300 23 straight years, had over 200 hits 8 season over .400 avg 3 times.
I don't disagree. Just saying that with so many more games played and plate appearances, he's obviously going to have more hits than Ruth. Ruth also seemed to get the Bonds treatment (before there was a Bonds treatment) and got a lot more walks than Cobb.
Be careful, if you defend Ruth enough you might accidentally be labeled a Yankees homer
wrong let see, Ruth, Jeter, Gallo and Gardner were brought up in this convo, Yes Yankee homer
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@dbarmonstar_psn said in Ohtani's "Greatest Season Ever":
@kdclemson_psn said in Ohtani's "Greatest Season Ever":
@dewrock_psn said in Ohtani's "Greatest Season Ever":
@dbarmonstar_psn said in Ohtani's "Greatest Season Ever":
@dewrock_psn said in Ohtani's "Greatest Season Ever":
@kdclemson_psn said in Ohtani's "Greatest Season Ever":
If it was 180 WAR to 175 maybe you’d have some credibly but it’s literally a huge gap and then when anybody tries to explain to you how your argument has holes and can be proven to be a poor argument you just yell that it’s your opinion and can’t possibly be wrong
Yeah it is a decent sized gap and Cobb played a lot more games and had a lot more plate appearances.
WAR aside, it is a lot closer of a debate.
That is what makes his avg and hits and how many times he struck out more impressive with that many PA and GP he hit over .300 23 straight years, had over 200 hits 8 season over .400 avg 3 times.
I don't disagree. Just saying that with so many more games played and plate appearances, he's obviously going to have more hits than Ruth. Ruth also seemed to get the Bonds treatment (before there was a Bonds treatment) and got a lot more walks than Cobb.
Be careful, if you defend Ruth enough you might accidentally be labeled a Yankees homer
wrong let see, Ruth, Jeter, Gallo and Gardner were brought up in this convo, Yes Yankee homer
Tigers homer
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@dbarber600_MLBTS wondering how many people are gonna have to prove you wrong before you stop responding, what are we at, 5?
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@dbarmonstar_psn said in Ohtani's "Greatest Season Ever":
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@jogger171717_psn said in Ohtani's "Greatest Season Ever":
@dbarmonstar_psn said in Ohtani's "Greatest Season Ever":
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@kdclemson_psn said in Ohtani's "Greatest Season Ever":
If it was 180 WAR to 175 maybe you’d have some credibly but it’s literally a huge gap and then when anybody tries to explain to you how your argument has holes and can be proven to be a poor argument you just yell that it’s your opinion and can’t possibly be wrong
Yeah it is a decent sized gap and Cobb played a lot more games and had a lot more plate appearances.
WAR aside, it is a lot closer of a debate.
That is what makes his avg and hits and how many times he struck out more impressive with that many PA and GP he hit over .300 23 straight years, had over 200 hits 8 season over .400 avg 3 times.
Even with all of that, we have wRC+ to tell us that Ruth just mashing HR after HR was overall more productive.
I am not going to get into all of that, there is no point on which you do not understand what it means to be the best ALL AROUND player. Cobb was the best hitter ever, Ruth was one of the Best power Hitters of all time the best is debatable, COBB is the Best ALL AROUND player ever IMO.
wRC+ literally tells us that Ruth was the better offensive player, period. Sometimes contact and speed is better, sometimes power is better. In this case, we can clearly see that Ruth’s power made him the better offensive player as opposed to Cobb’s contact and speed.
wRC+ is why we’re able to compare David fletcher to Joey Gallo, and determine Gallo has been a much better offensive player this year, despite fletcher having a .291 average and Gallo having a .201 average.
The best player ever is not just hitting it overall , COBB was the BETTER player that is what I think you can think Ruth and that is ok.
The stats being used (that we have) measure the overall player and not just offense. Stats say that Ruth was overall the better player. Like I said it's closer than some are saying but they still say he was better.
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@kdclemson_psn said in Ohtani's "Greatest Season Ever":
@dbarber600_MLBTS LOL now I know your trolling because Ruth was a better defender too, how does Cobb have a better arm when he has a lower defensive WAR and Ruth literally pitched earlier
So his pure offensive value (wRC+) is worse and his defense. Stop trolling
That is the problem with you, you only use these formula that were made up to try and calculate the value of players but the problem is the formulas were made according to the players form the Nineties on, The formulas do not calculate how the players were actually valued then. Stop with the all the formulas and go do some of your own research.
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@dbarmonstar_psn said in Ohtani's "Greatest Season Ever":
@kdclemson_psn said in Ohtani's "Greatest Season Ever":
@dbarber600_MLBTS LOL now I know your trolling because Ruth was a better defender too, how does Cobb have a better arm when he has a lower defensive WAR and Ruth literally pitched earlier
So his pure offensive value (wRC+) is worse and his defense. Stop trolling
That is the problem with you, you only use these formula that were made up to try and calculate the value of players but the problem is the formulas were made according to the players form the Nineties on, The formulas do not calculate how the players were actually valued then. Stop with the all the formulas and go do some of your own research.
Incorrect, WAR was literally made to compare across eras
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@kdclemson_psn said in Ohtani's "Greatest Season Ever":
@dbarmonstar_psn said in Ohtani's "Greatest Season Ever":
@kdclemson_psn said in Ohtani's "Greatest Season Ever":
@dbarber600_MLBTS LOL now I know your trolling because Ruth was a better defender too, how does Cobb have a better arm when he has a lower defensive WAR and Ruth literally pitched earlier
So his pure offensive value (wRC+) is worse and his defense. Stop trolling
That is the problem with you, you only use these formula that were made up to try and calculate the value of players but the problem is the formulas were made according to the players form the Nineties on, The formulas do not calculate how the players were actually valued then. Stop with the all the formulas and go do some of your own research.
Incorrect, WAR was literally made to compare across eras
There it has been proven to be flawed.
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@dbarmonstar_psn said in Ohtani's "Greatest Season Ever":
@jogger171717_psn said in Ohtani's "Greatest Season Ever":
@dbarmonstar_psn said in Ohtani's "Greatest Season Ever":
@jogger171717_psn said in Ohtani's "Greatest Season Ever":
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@kdclemson_psn said in Ohtani's "Greatest Season Ever":
If it was 180 WAR to 175 maybe you’d have some credibly but it’s literally a huge gap and then when anybody tries to explain to you how your argument has holes and can be proven to be a poor argument you just yell that it’s your opinion and can’t possibly be wrong
Yeah it is a decent sized gap and Cobb played a lot more games and had a lot more plate appearances.
WAR aside, it is a lot closer of a debate.
That is what makes his avg and hits and how many times he struck out more impressive with that many PA and GP he hit over .300 23 straight years, had over 200 hits 8 season over .400 avg 3 times.
Even with all of that, we have wRC+ to tell us that Ruth just mashing HR after HR was overall more productive.
I am not going to get into all of that, there is no point on which you do not understand what it means to be the best ALL AROUND player. Cobb was the best hitter ever, Ruth was one of the Best power Hitters of all time the best is debatable, COBB is the Best ALL AROUND player ever IMO.
wRC+ literally tells us that Ruth was the better offensive player, period. Sometimes contact and speed is better, sometimes power is better. In this case, we can clearly see that Ruth’s power made him the better offensive player as opposed to Cobb’s contact and speed.
wRC+ is why we’re able to compare David fletcher to Joey Gallo, and determine Gallo has been a much better offensive player this year, despite fletcher having a .291 average and Gallo having a .201 average.
The best player ever is not just hitting it overall , COBB was the BETTER player that is what I think you can think Ruth and that is ok.
Except the very best available metrics we have for both total overall value and offensive production say that Ruth was better.
We are not talking just offensively we are talking best ever player COBB was a better hitter than Ruth, was faster better baserunner there is more to baseball than hitting HR's. Cobb had the better arm. Cobb played the Outfield for 24 years. Was the leader in SB until 1985. I know SB does not mean anything now but it did back than. I do not need Metrics to tell me who the better hitter was or who was faster, better arm and in the field. COBB ALL AROUND was the better player.
I really can’t tell if you’re serious now or not.
wRC+ and fWAR take everything you’ve been saying into account, via one or the other.
wRC+ tells us Ruth was the better offensive player, fWAR tells us Ruth was also the better overall player. It’s really not that complicated.
You trying to tell me the metrics says Ruth was better Outfielder had a better arm and was better on the bases and had more speed. Realist you are using a formula to decide for you, I am using facts and what I have researched know about the two players. No way Ruth was a better hitter, Power yes hitter no. Speed not even close, arm no way, Fielding NO, Ruth played First as well as the outfield. COBB only played the OutField, I will take Cobb over Ruth. You can look at what ever formula and metrics you want. I will look at the stats. At the end day it all what you think based on the information and stats that we have.
That's a strawman. They don't have to say that and I don't think anyone is claiming that. They do take all those factors in determining the overall value. The best stats we have for determining that, say Ruth was better overall.
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@dbarmonstar_psn said in Ohtani's "Greatest Season Ever":
@kdclemson_psn said in Ohtani's "Greatest Season Ever":
@dbarmonstar_psn said in Ohtani's "Greatest Season Ever":
@kdclemson_psn said in Ohtani's "Greatest Season Ever":
@dbarber600_MLBTS LOL now I know your trolling because Ruth was a better defender too, how does Cobb have a better arm when he has a lower defensive WAR and Ruth literally pitched earlier
So his pure offensive value (wRC+) is worse and his defense. Stop trolling
That is the problem with you, you only use these formula that were made up to try and calculate the value of players but the problem is the formulas were made according to the players form the Nineties on, The formulas do not calculate how the players were actually valued then. Stop with the all the formulas and go do some of your own research.
Incorrect, WAR was literally made to compare across eras
There it has been proven to be flawed.
WAR is not the end all be all
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Just a question:
What is the (main) goal of a hitter?(I'm excluding situational scenarios, ie. moving of runners, hitting behind runners, etc)
Isnt the main goal to get on base, and take as many bases as possible? Babe Ruth got on base more often than Cobb, and with more bases per at bat than Cobb.
Those are absolute facts.
