Historic Rosters 2021

WashiestCat4376_XBL

@biebig2010_psn said in Historic Rosters 2021:

Paul O'Neill poses an interesting dilemma.

O'Neill played 8 years for CIN and then 9 years for NYY. O'Neill's WAR was better for NYY than it was for CIN; however, if I put O'Neill on NYY he's the 5th best right fielder in NYY franchise history (based on career JAWS) behind Ruth, Winfield, Keeler and Maris. If I put O'Neill on CIN then he's tied with Reggie Sanders for the best right fielder in CIN franchise history (based on career JAWS).

In previous versions of this roster I put O'Neill on CIN and not NYY because he'll be in CIN MLB starting lineup but for NYY he's likely going to end up in AA.

I think you are doinga great job on these rosters and agree with you on the O'Neil decision to put on the Reds. There are a few players like that where the years on two different teams is within a year. I would always default to putting them on the weaker overall team where they would definitely be on the 25 man roster, rather than burring a guy like O'Neill on a loaded Yankees all time team.

Kis4Korey_XBL

So no dups but Tino Martinez a DH for the Yanks instead of on the Mariners over all those others Yankee greats even Giambi was a better DH.

But also Tom Gordon starting pitcher on Royals instead of Relief Pitcher on Red Sox?

Kis4Korey_XBL

Honestly, I don’t care if there’s duplicates or not. It doesn’t matter because a player can be great for two teams like the O’Neill situation is the same for numerous others. I’d rather see duplicates because Pirate Barry was MVP and so was Giant Barry, Babe was one of Red Sox best pitchers, and on and on.

I guess this goes into what the idea of how the entire roster looks at the very end.

And I’m more than willing to help in anyway I can with research. I know you probably like to create the players yourself, but you are basing it all off something. Maybe can start helping you gather everything and streamline it more.

At this point I’m worried MLB22 won’t allow it to be imported either with the Topps deal ending. Everything probably going to change.

Kis4Korey_XBL

Then things like this though, no Bob Meusel, no Murders row.

No George Davis on White Sox, no Black Sox.

Kis4Korey_XBL

Not to mention Randy Johnson and Alex Rodriguez

No Cap Anson on White Sox?

redonyou89_XBL

Where are you putting/have you put Ichiro? Not trying to start WW3, just curious!

collintacoz09_PSN

Why can’t sds just make historical rosters like 2K? I know rights is an issue, but surely they have enough, right?

biebig2010_PSN

@kis4korey_xbl said in Historic Rosters 2021:

Honestly, I don’t care if there’s duplicates or not. It doesn’t matter because a player can be great for two teams like the O’Neill situation is the same for numerous others. I’d rather see duplicates because Pirate Barry was MVP and so was Giant Barry, Babe was one of Red Sox best pitchers, and on and on.

I guess this goes into what the idea of how the entire roster looks at the very end.

And I’m more than willing to help in anyway I can with research. I know you probably like to create the players yourself, but you are basing it all off something. Maybe can start helping you gather everything and streamline it more.

At this point I’m worried MLB22 won’t allow it to be imported either with the Topps deal ending. Everything probably going to change.

I've been following and researching baseball for decades. I don't need any help researching the game. Thanks but no thanks.

I didn't put Tino Martinez as the top DH for the Yankees, I created him as a 1B for the Yankees because he played more years with the Yankees than he did the Mariners, he played nearly twice as many games for the Yankees as he did the Mariners, and his WAR was over twice as high for the Yankees as the Mariners. Whatever lineups are in the game right now are because that's the default lineups the game determined. I am not anywhere near ready to set the lineups for each team yet seeing as I've only got players created for 10 out of 30 teams.

Jason Giambi played more years, more games, and had a higher WAR playing for Oakland than he did for the Yankees. I'm putting him on the A's when I get to them; not the Yankees.

Tom "Flash" Gordon played 8 years for the Royals, mostly as a starter, and only 4 years for the Red Sox. He played in more games, pitched more innings, and had a higher WAR for the Royals than he did the Red Sox. Hence, in the roster I am creating he's on the Royals.

If you don't mind duplicates then fine, you can save whoever you'd like and put him on as many teams as you'd like in your roster. In the roster I'm creating I'm not going to do duplicates.

Also, if you want to put Gordon on the Red Sox then feel free to do so in your roster. In the roster I'm creating he's on the Royals.

biebig2010_PSN

@redonyou89_xbl said in Historic Rosters 2021:

Where are you putting/have you put Ichiro? Not trying to start WW3, just curious!

I'm not sure if this is a serious question or not but Ichiro will be on the Mariners. I haven't created players for the Mariners yet though.

biebig2010_PSN

@kis4korey_xbl said in Historic Rosters 2021:

Not to mention Randy Johnson and Alex Rodriguez

No Cap Anson on White Sox?

Randy Johnson will likely be on the Diamondbacks and not the Mariners in my roster. He played more years on the Mariners but his WAR was better for the Diamondbacks than it was the Mariners. Also, he won 4 Cy Youngs with the D'backs and only one with the Mariners.

Arod is already on the Yankees. I put him there because he played more years, more games, and had a higher WAR with the Yankees than any other team. He also won two MVPs with the Yankees.

Not sure if the question about Cap Anson on the White Sox is serious or not. Cap Anson played 22 years with the Chicago Cubs, not the White Sox. I haven't created players for the Cubs yet.

biebig2010_PSN

@kis4korey_xbl said in Historic Rosters 2021:

Then things like this though, no Bob Meusel, no Murders row.

No George Davis on White Sox, no Black Sox.

I will eventually create Meusel on the Yankees. He's one of 2700 players and I simply haven't got them all created yet.

George Davis played more years with the New York Giants than he did the White Sox and his WAR was much higher for the Giants than the White Sox. In the roster I am creating he's going on the Giants, not the White Sox.

I created multiple players that were on the 1919 White Sox (a.k.a. Black Sox) team including Eddie Cicotte, Red Faber, Lefty Williams, Reb Russel, Joe Benz, Chick Gandil, Ray Schalk, Happy Felsch, Joe Jackson, and Buck Weaver.

Feel free to create any other players that you want and put them in your roster.

biebig2010_PSN

@biebig2010_psn said in Historic Rosters 2021:

@kis4korey_xbl said in Historic Rosters 2021:

Honestly, I don’t care if there’s duplicates or not. It doesn’t matter because a player can be great for two teams like the O’Neill situation is the same for numerous others. I’d rather see duplicates because Pirate Barry was MVP and so was Giant Barry, Babe was one of Red Sox best pitchers, and on and on.

I guess this goes into what the idea of how the entire roster looks at the very end.

And I’m more than willing to help in anyway I can with research. I know you probably like to create the players yourself, but you are basing it all off something. Maybe can start helping you gather everything and streamline it more.

At this point I’m worried MLB22 won’t allow it to be imported either with the Topps deal ending. Everything probably going to change.

I've been following and researching baseball for decades. I don't need any help researching the game. Thanks but no thanks.

I didn't put Tino Martinez as the top DH for the Yankees, I created him as a 1B for the Yankees because he played more years with the Yankees than he did the Mariners, he played nearly twice as many games for the Yankees as he did the Mariners, and his WAR was over twice as high for the Yankees as the Mariners. Whatever lineups are in my roster right now are because that's the default lineups the game determined. I am not anywhere near ready to set the lineups for each team yet seeing as I've only got players created for 10 out of 30 teams.

Jason Giambi played more years, more games, and had a higher WAR playing for Oakland than he did for the Yankees. I'm putting him on the A's when I get to them; not the Yankees.

Tom "Flash" Gordon played 8 years for the Royals, mostly as a starter, and only 4 years for the Red Sox. He played in more games, pitched more innings, and had a higher WAR for the Royals than he did the Red Sox. Hence, in the roster I am creating he's on the Royals.

If you don't mind duplicates then fine, you can save whoever you'd like and put him on as many teams as you'd like in your roster. In the roster I'm creating I'm not going to do duplicates.

Also, if you want to put Gordon on the Red Sox then feel free to do so in your roster. In the roster I'm creating he's on the Royals.

ModernHippy07_XBL

Trying to figure out why Randy needs to respond to all these about HIS roster… I’ve used this All-Time roster and Pjsnells all time roster year after year and they are both top notch. A insane amount of work goes into it. If you disagree with who he puts on a team when he releases it go I. And trade that player to a different team. Randy as always great work and I’m patiently waiting for your completion. Take your time buddy .

biebig2010_PSN

@modernhippy07_xbl said in Historic Rosters 2021:

Trying to figure out why Randy needs to respond to all these about HIS roster… I’ve used this All-Time roster and Pjsnells all time roster year after year and they are both top notch. A insane amount of work goes into it. If you disagree with who he puts on a team when he releases it go I. And trade that player to a different team. Randy as always great work and I’m patiently waiting for your completion. Take your time buddy .

I don't mind a few questions or suggestions or requests; I'll accommodate whatever I can. However, when I get criticism that seems to be based on a personal preference and not historical facts that's probably not too useful.

I must admit that I was pretty amused at the criticism about not putting Cap Anson on the White Sox though. I got quite a laugh over that one. Yikes!

dap1234567890_PSN

@redonyou89_xbl said in Historic Rosters 2021:

Where are you putting/have you put Ichiro? Not trying to start WW3, just curious!

https://www.baseball-reference.com/players/s/suzukic01.shtml
Which team Ichiro will be on is a no doubter!!! Easily the team that he will be wearing the cap on his bust when he goes into the HoF in 2024!

biebig2010_PSN

I added HOU and uploaded a new version of the ALL TIME GREATS roster I'm working on to the Roster vault. It now includes all teams in the AL East and AL Central as well as HOU. Up next is LAA.