Wander Franco..dud?
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Release him. Hes a dud.
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@kovz88_psn said in Wander Franco..dud?:
You would make a very poor GM if you made decisions on young players this quickly. Also as far as the cards go its fun to be able to play with the young guys you hear about all the time in the minors for your team. The cards are if the player reaches their absolute maximum potential which we can agree most won't but the cards need to be usable.
I think the cards are cool because it gives baseball fans who didn’t follow all the ins and outs of baseball an idea of who prospects are. I don’t know how many times I’ve watched a game where a guy came up and I thought, oh cool, I remember that guy from dd. I wonder how he turned out
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@ironeyes_cody_psn said in Wander Franco..dud?:
This got me thinking. Why does this game put out all these cards for "prospects" so grossly over inflated? I mean, I get the marketing angle. But if anyone were to follow along and note up the top-rung these prospects hit it's never even close to the loosely strewn Gold/diamonds you see before they throw the first MLB pitch or swing a bat. Some of them will be life long minor leaguers. Yet they're getting shutouts in RS against some of the greatest major leaguers to ever play the game.
I would guess not one of this year's prospects ever live up to the card they've gotten. Throwing a 110 mph fastball or hitting 40 HR in Minor leagues just means you got potential. But, one old coach always said "you know what potential means..you ain't ever done it".
I think youre looking at these prospect cards backwards - they are there to reflect what COULD be not will be. This isnt SDS saying Priester or Cabrara are going to be the next locks to win the Cy Young.
Its easy to look back at guys with 20/20 hindsight and say his prospect card was too high. Knowing what he's become do you think the 24 teams that picked before the Angels in 2009 would pass on Mike?
If we look at the Scouting Reports on Kelenic we see he's been scouted as having the following:
60 Power, Arm, Hitting
55 Fielding and Running50 is considered a Major League Average on the 20/80 scale.
Id say kelenic's prospect card does a decent job of reflecting those stats.
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Honestly I don’t enjoy the FS cards because I’m not a big enough baseball guy to know them all, but it’s hard to argue with the guys they pick. A lot of the guys the original future stats are now studs, same with the second round. As they’ve added more and more it’s get diluted but this kinda speaks for itself.
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@yankeefan412_xbl said in Wander Franco..dud?:
I haven’t used him because my OP’d cap is my SS but I have faced him every game since he dropped & haven’t given up a single hit to him. Dude is just not good.
Funny that he went 6 for 10 off of you after this post,
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@charterbus_psn said in Wander Franco..dud?:
Honestly I don’t enjoy the FS cards because I’m not a big enough baseball guy to know them all, but it’s hard to argue with the guys they pick. A lot of the guys the original future stats are now studs, same with the second round. As they’ve added more and more it’s get diluted but this kinda speaks for itself.
Not that I don't trust you, but that link looks like some blog somebody made up. Let's just say I believe you believe this to be true.
I'm sure someone could just do a screen print of their 2017 Dashboard showing the Future Stars and share it with us.
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@ironeyes_cody_psn said in Wander Franco..dud?:
@charterbus_psn said in Wander Franco..dud?:
Honestly I don’t enjoy the FS cards because I’m not a big enough baseball guy to know them all, but it’s hard to argue with the guys they pick. A lot of the guys the original future stats are now studs, same with the second round. As they’ve added more and more it’s get diluted but this kinda speaks for itself.
Not that I don't trust you, but that link looks like some blog somebody made up. Let's just say I believe you believe this to be true.
I'm sure someone could just do a screen print of their 2017 Dashboard showing the Future Stars and share it with us.
The MLB The Show 2017 marketplace still exists on this website itself, I can get you pictures of that if you want. All the sellable ones show up there, I'm sure I can find the non sellable Moncada and Devers on reddit
Actually, here this is much easier https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LdsqiDAl02Q
https://www.reddit.com/r/MLBTheShow/comments/6txblu/first_8_players_of_the_future_stars_program/
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But, nobody can ever say that forum chat doesn't inspire. I went out and did a very little bit of searching. Reddit had a big thread from Sept. 2018 discussing #MLBtheshow future stars just released that week.
Ppl whining about Bote, Carantini, Ryan Borucki, Austin Hays getting cards. And, in hindsight, they had every right to complain.
From this I found a Twitter link showing Some cat named Dawel Lugo. Stephan Gonsalaves. WTF? They did have Brett Phillips, Colin Moran, and Austin Hays who actually made it to The Show, but far-far-far from anything noteworthy. They did get one right..Shane Bieber. One out of God knows how many.
Here is a Twitter link with the 2018 from AL Central. https://twitter.com/sporer/status/1042204793245245441/photo/4 #SonyPartner, #TheShow18
Do some research, it's pretty interesting..in a funny sort of way. Not knocking the prognosticators at SDS. They do their best with what they got. Problem is scouts get paid a whole lot of money and are 'sposd to be experts and completely blow it. Who should expect a bunch of software developers to get it right? There are just way too many variables.
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@ironeyes_cody_psn said in Wander Franco..dud?:
But, nobody can ever say that forum chat doesn't inspire. I went out and did a very little bit of searching. Reddit had a big thread from Sept. 2018 discussing #MLBtheshow future stars just released that week.
Ppl whining about Bote, Carantini, Ryan Borucki, Austin Hays getting cards. And, in hindsight, they had every right to complain.
From this I found a Twitter link showing Some cat named Dawel Lugo. Stephan Gonsalaves. WTF? They did have Brett Phillips, Colin Moran, and Austin Hays who actually made it to The Show, but far-far-far from anything noteworthy. They did get one right..Shane Bieber. One out of God knows how many.
Here is a Twitter link with the 2018 from AL Central. https://twitter.com/sporer/status/1042204793245245441/photo/4 #SonyPartner, #TheShow18
Do some research, it's pretty interesting..in a funny sort of way. Not knocking the prognosticators at SDS. They do their best with what they got. Problem is scouts get paid a whole lot of money and are 'sposd to be experts and completely blow it. Who should expect a bunch of software developers to get it right? There are just way too many variables.
Um, every single future star previous to 2020 made the show, so all those you named played at some point. (Because they didn't have the rights to use minor league names at the time because that is separate from the major league players association license)
I don't need to do research because I played then. Yes, not every future star is going to be a future star. Newsflash, no one is shocked by that. As you said, scouts miss all the time. No one is looking at the future stars series and thinking "Wow I guess all these guys are can't miss names"!
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@eatyum_psn said in Wander Franco..dud?:
@ironeyes_cody_psn said in Wander Franco..dud?:
But, nobody can ever say that forum chat doesn't inspire. I went out and did a very little bit of searching. Reddit had a big thread from Sept. 2018 discussing #MLBtheshow future stars just released that week.
Ppl whining about Bote, Carantini, Ryan Borucki, Austin Hays getting cards. And, in hindsight, they had every right to complain.
From this I found a Twitter link showing Some cat named Dawel Lugo. Stephan Gonsalaves. WTF? They did have Brett Phillips, Colin Moran, and Austin Hays who actually made it to The Show, but far-far-far from anything noteworthy. They did get one right..Shane Bieber. One out of God knows how many.
Here is a Twitter link with the 2018 from AL Central. https://twitter.com/sporer/status/1042204793245245441/photo/4 #SonyPartner, #TheShow18
Do some research, it's pretty interesting..in a funny sort of way. Not knocking the prognosticators at SDS. They do their best with what they got. Problem is scouts get paid a whole lot of money and are 'sposd to be experts and completely blow it. Who should expect a bunch of software developers to get it right? There are just way too many variables.
Um, every single future star previous to 2020 made the show, so all those you named played at some point. (Because they didn't have the rights to use minor league names at the time because that is separate from the major league players association license)
Making the Show and making an impact are 2 different things. Hey, I said it's not easy to predict how guys in the minor leagues are going to do at the MLB level..if they'll ever make it. It's extremely hard to do.
I'm really not trying to criticize guys that do their best to guess right. Actually play poker with dudes like that once a week. Ha..I jest.
But, really I think when you actually get 20% of the lower "A" level guys that you Diamond up even to the Show, you're pretty successful.
Now, does that make giving some 20-year old single "A" pitcher a 95 Diamond any easier for a skeptic like me to take. Sure doesn't.
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@ironeyes_cody_psn said in Wander Franco..dud?:
@eatyum_psn said in Wander Franco..dud?:
@ironeyes_cody_psn said in Wander Franco..dud?:
But, nobody can ever say that forum chat doesn't inspire. I went out and did a very little bit of searching. Reddit had a big thread from Sept. 2018 discussing #MLBtheshow future stars just released that week.
Ppl whining about Bote, Carantini, Ryan Borucki, Austin Hays getting cards. And, in hindsight, they had every right to complain.
From this I found a Twitter link showing Some cat named Dawel Lugo. Stephan Gonsalaves. WTF? They did have Brett Phillips, Colin Moran, and Austin Hays who actually made it to The Show, but far-far-far from anything noteworthy. They did get one right..Shane Bieber. One out of God knows how many.
Here is a Twitter link with the 2018 from AL Central. https://twitter.com/sporer/status/1042204793245245441/photo/4 #SonyPartner, #TheShow18
Do some research, it's pretty interesting..in a funny sort of way. Not knocking the prognosticators at SDS. They do their best with what they got. Problem is scouts get paid a whole lot of money and are 'sposd to be experts and completely blow it. Who should expect a bunch of software developers to get it right? There are just way too many variables.
Um, every single future star previous to 2020 made the show, so all those you named played at some point. (Because they didn't have the rights to use minor league names at the time because that is separate from the major league players association license)
Making the Show and making an impact are 2 different things. Hey, I said it's not easy to predict how guys in the minor leagues are going to do at the MLB level..if they'll ever make it. It's extremely hard to do.
I'm really not trying to criticize guys that do their best to guess right. Actually play poker with dudes like that once a week. Ha..I jest.
But, really I think when you actually get 20% of the lower "A" level guys that you Diamond up even to the Show, you're pretty successful.
Now, does that make giving some 20-year old single "A" pitcher a 95 Diamond any easier for a skeptic like me to take. Sure doesn't.
Sure, but you didn't know that they all made the show before I told you, as evidenced by "They did have Brett Phillips, Colin Moran, and Austin Hays who actually made it to The Show", so really you're just dancing around to support your beliefs, which is fine, I can see they aren't going to change.
But like I've said before, SDS has the data, they must have seen the success of these cards or they wouldn't bring them back, so it stands the reason the majority of users are completely fine with it.
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@eatyum_psn said in Wander Franco..dud?:
@ironeyes_cody_psn said in Wander Franco..dud?:
@eatyum_psn said in Wander Franco..dud?:
@ironeyes_cody_psn said in Wander Franco..dud?:
But, nobody can ever say that forum chat doesn't inspire. I went out and did a very little bit of searching. Reddit had a big thread from Sept. 2018 discussing #MLBtheshow future stars just released that week.
Ppl whining about Bote, Carantini, Ryan Borucki, Austin Hays getting cards. And, in hindsight, they had every right to complain.
From this I found a Twitter link showing Some cat named Dawel Lugo. Stephan Gonsalaves. WTF? They did have Brett Phillips, Colin Moran, and Austin Hays who actually made it to The Show, but far-far-far from anything noteworthy. They did get one right..Shane Bieber. One out of God knows how many.
Here is a Twitter link with the 2018 from AL Central. https://twitter.com/sporer/status/1042204793245245441/photo/4 #SonyPartner, #TheShow18
Do some research, it's pretty interesting..in a funny sort of way. Not knocking the prognosticators at SDS. They do their best with what they got. Problem is scouts get paid a whole lot of money and are 'sposd to be experts and completely blow it. Who should expect a bunch of software developers to get it right? There are just way too many variables.
Um, every single future star previous to 2020 made the show, so all those you named played at some point. (Because they didn't have the rights to use minor league names at the time because that is separate from the major league players association license)
Making the Show and making an impact are 2 different things. Hey, I said it's not easy to predict how guys in the minor leagues are going to do at the MLB level..if they'll ever make it. It's extremely hard to do.
I'm really not trying to criticize guys that do their best to guess right. Actually play poker with dudes like that once a week. Ha..I jest.
But, really I think when you actually get 20% of the lower "A" level guys that you Diamond up even to the Show, you're pretty successful.
Now, does that make giving some 20-year old single "A" pitcher a 95 Diamond any easier for a skeptic like me to take. Sure doesn't.
Sure, but you didn't know that they all made the show before I told you, as evidenced by "They did have Brett Phillips, Colin Moran, and Austin Hays who actually made it to The Show", so really your just dancing around to support your beliefs, which is fine, I can see they aren't going to change.
But like I've said before, SDS has the data, they must have seen the success of these cards or they wouldn't bring them back, so it stands the reason the majority of users are completely fine with it.
What, you didn't read my post correctly or I missed a comma or you missed a comma. I know Brett Phillips, Colin Moran, and Austin Hays made it and are still playing. Just not real well.
Did I know Dawl Lugo made it for about a week and went straight back to the Mexican leagues? Sure didn't and I bet there ain't a soul on Super Jeopardy the Sports Edition who woulda known that little bit of trivia.
C'mon man. I don't want to argue with you. OK, this game gets it right always. These Future Stars with the 95's and what not will all live up to the hype. Not one paying fan has any right whatsoever to complain or even joke a little bit about it.
Sorry I upset you. But, dude, people aren't always going to say what you want to here..and that doesn't make them wrong.
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Unfortunately they’ve gone far away from realism with a lot of cards in DD and especially prospect/future stars.
I think when Future Stars were introduced in 17 is when a lot of that stuff went out the door. Then came Pepe Alazar. And now Future Stars are juiced out of their minds.
Back in 17, Future Stars were slightly above average diamonds (the Tyler O’Neil future stars in 21) so it wasn’t that bad.
Future Stars and Prospects should top out at 90-91 IMO.
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@ironeyes_cody_psn said in Wander Franco..dud?:
@eatyum_psn said in Wander Franco..dud?:
@ironeyes_cody_psn said in Wander Franco..dud?:
@eatyum_psn said in Wander Franco..dud?:
@ironeyes_cody_psn said in Wander Franco..dud?:
But, nobody can ever say that forum chat doesn't inspire. I went out and did a very little bit of searching. Reddit had a big thread from Sept. 2018 discussing #MLBtheshow future stars just released that week.
Ppl whining about Bote, Carantini, Ryan Borucki, Austin Hays getting cards. And, in hindsight, they had every right to complain.
From this I found a Twitter link showing Some cat named Dawel Lugo. Stephan Gonsalaves. WTF? They did have Brett Phillips, Colin Moran, and Austin Hays who actually made it to The Show, but far-far-far from anything noteworthy. They did get one right..Shane Bieber. One out of God knows how many.
Here is a Twitter link with the 2018 from AL Central. https://twitter.com/sporer/status/1042204793245245441/photo/4 #SonyPartner, #TheShow18
Do some research, it's pretty interesting..in a funny sort of way. Not knocking the prognosticators at SDS. They do their best with what they got. Problem is scouts get paid a whole lot of money and are 'sposd to be experts and completely blow it. Who should expect a bunch of software developers to get it right? There are just way too many variables.
Um, every single future star previous to 2020 made the show, so all those you named played at some point. (Because they didn't have the rights to use minor league names at the time because that is separate from the major league players association license)
Making the Show and making an impact are 2 different things. Hey, I said it's not easy to predict how guys in the minor leagues are going to do at the MLB level..if they'll ever make it. It's extremely hard to do.
I'm really not trying to criticize guys that do their best to guess right. Actually play poker with dudes like that once a week. Ha..I jest.
But, really I think when you actually get 20% of the lower "A" level guys that you Diamond up even to the Show, you're pretty successful.
Now, does that make giving some 20-year old single "A" pitcher a 95 Diamond any easier for a skeptic like me to take. Sure doesn't.
Sure, but you didn't know that they all made the show before I told you, as evidenced by "They did have Brett Phillips, Colin Moran, and Austin Hays who actually made it to The Show", so really your just dancing around to support your beliefs, which is fine, I can see they aren't going to change.
But like I've said before, SDS has the data, they must have seen the success of these cards or they wouldn't bring them back, so it stands the reason the majority of users are completely fine with it.
What, you didn't read my post correctly or I missed a comma or you missed a comma. I know Brett Phillips, Colin Moran, and Austin Hays made it and are still playing. Just not real well.
Did I know Dawl Lugo made it for about a week and went straight back to the Mexican leagues? Sure didn't and I bet there ain't a soul on Super Jeopardy the Sports Edition who woulda known that little bit of trivia.
C'mon man. I don't want to argue with you. OK, this game gets it right always. These Future Stars with the 95's and what not will all live up to the hype. Not one paying fan has any right whatsoever to complain or even joke a little bit about it.
Sorry I upset you. But, dude, people aren't always going to say what you want to here..and that doesn't make them wrong.
And now you are falling into hyperbole, can you point me to where I said this at all in this thread?
And I like how you always sidestep this
"But like I've said before, SDS has the data, they must have seen the success of these cards or they wouldn't bring them back, so it stands the reason the majority of users are completely fine with it." -
@eatyum_psn said in Wander Franco..dud?:
@ironeyes_cody_psn said in Wander Franco..dud?:
@eatyum_psn said in Wander Franco..dud?:
@ironeyes_cody_psn said in Wander Franco..dud?:
@eatyum_psn said in Wander Franco..dud?:
@ironeyes_cody_psn said in Wander Franco..dud?:
But, nobody can ever say that forum chat doesn't inspire. I went out and did a very little bit of searching. Reddit had a big thread from Sept. 2018 discussing #MLBtheshow future stars just released that week.
Ppl whining about Bote, Carantini, Ryan Borucki, Austin Hays getting cards. And, in hindsight, they had every right to complain.
From this I found a Twitter link showing Some cat named Dawel Lugo. Stephan Gonsalaves. WTF? They did have Brett Phillips, Colin Moran, and Austin Hays who actually made it to The Show, but far-far-far from anything noteworthy. They did get one right..Shane Bieber. One out of God knows how many.
Here is a Twitter link with the 2018 from AL Central. https://twitter.com/sporer/status/1042204793245245441/photo/4 #SonyPartner, #TheShow18
Do some research, it's pretty interesting..in a funny sort of way. Not knocking the prognosticators at SDS. They do their best with what they got. Problem is scouts get paid a whole lot of money and are 'sposd to be experts and completely blow it. Who should expect a bunch of software developers to get it right? There are just way too many variables.
Um, every single future star previous to 2020 made the show, so all those you named played at some point. (Because they didn't have the rights to use minor league names at the time because that is separate from the major league players association license)
Making the Show and making an impact are 2 different things. Hey, I said it's not easy to predict how guys in the minor leagues are going to do at the MLB level..if they'll ever make it. It's extremely hard to do.
I'm really not trying to criticize guys that do their best to guess right. Actually play poker with dudes like that once a week. Ha..I jest.
But, really I think when you actually get 20% of the lower "A" level guys that you Diamond up even to the Show, you're pretty successful.
Now, does that make giving some 20-year old single "A" pitcher a 95 Diamond any easier for a skeptic like me to take. Sure doesn't.
Sure, but you didn't know that they all made the show before I told you, as evidenced by "They did have Brett Phillips, Colin Moran, and Austin Hays who actually made it to The Show", so really your just dancing around to support your beliefs, which is fine, I can see they aren't going to change.
But like I've said before, SDS has the data, they must have seen the success of these cards or they wouldn't bring them back, so it stands the reason the majority of users are completely fine with it.
What, you didn't read my post correctly or I missed a comma or you missed a comma. I know Brett Phillips, Colin Moran, and Austin Hays made it and are still playing. Just not real well.
Did I know Dawl Lugo made it for about a week and went straight back to the Mexican leagues? Sure didn't and I bet there ain't a soul on Super Jeopardy the Sports Edition who woulda known that little bit of trivia.
C'mon man. I don't want to argue with you. OK, this game gets it right always. These Future Stars with the 95's and what not will all live up to the hype. Not one paying fan has any right whatsoever to complain or even joke a little bit about it.
Sorry I upset you. But, dude, people aren't always going to say what you want to here..and that doesn't make them wrong.
And now you are falling into hyperbole, can you point me to where I said this at all in this thread?
And I like how you always sidestep this
"But like I've said before, SDS has the data, they must have seen the success of these cards or they wouldn't bring them back, so it stands the reason the majority of users are completely fine with it."That sure was hyperbole..I typically call it exaggeration or embellishment. Just a microcosm of how 2 people and opinions can be different as well.
I know you didn't say any of that. But what you did say was completely (IMO, please don't be hurt) far and away from a legitimate argument or counter-point regarding the theme of my posts regarding Future Stars.
The Theme, and I'm doing this from memory, is I, personally, have a problem with all of these Future Stars getting high Diamonds. THIS NEXT PART IS IMPORTANT...I feel many of them won't even make it to the Show and even if they do will never-ever have nearly the success these grossly amplified (hyperboled if you want) cards are indicating.
That's it..So Dawl Lugo made it..happy for Dawl and happy for the Prognosticators that likely gave him a big card for his future MLB career. That is just pure sarcasm..no hyperbole.
Let's just agree to disagree. Again, I'm not trying to crusade against you..but I absolutely don't agree with your opinion on this particular subject. Nothing at all personal.
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@ironeyes_cody_psn said in Wander Franco..dud?:
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@ironeyes_cody_psn said in Wander Franco..dud?:
@eatyum_psn said in Wander Franco..dud?:
@ironeyes_cody_psn said in Wander Franco..dud?:
@eatyum_psn said in Wander Franco..dud?:
@ironeyes_cody_psn said in Wander Franco..dud?:
But, nobody can ever say that forum chat doesn't inspire. I went out and did a very little bit of searching. Reddit had a big thread from Sept. 2018 discussing #MLBtheshow future stars just released that week.
Ppl whining about Bote, Carantini, Ryan Borucki, Austin Hays getting cards. And, in hindsight, they had every right to complain.
From this I found a Twitter link showing Some cat named Dawel Lugo. Stephan Gonsalaves. WTF? They did have Brett Phillips, Colin Moran, and Austin Hays who actually made it to The Show, but far-far-far from anything noteworthy. They did get one right..Shane Bieber. One out of God knows how many.
Here is a Twitter link with the 2018 from AL Central. https://twitter.com/sporer/status/1042204793245245441/photo/4 #SonyPartner, #TheShow18
Do some research, it's pretty interesting..in a funny sort of way. Not knocking the prognosticators at SDS. They do their best with what they got. Problem is scouts get paid a whole lot of money and are 'sposd to be experts and completely blow it. Who should expect a bunch of software developers to get it right? There are just way too many variables.
Um, every single future star previous to 2020 made the show, so all those you named played at some point. (Because they didn't have the rights to use minor league names at the time because that is separate from the major league players association license)
Making the Show and making an impact are 2 different things. Hey, I said it's not easy to predict how guys in the minor leagues are going to do at the MLB level..if they'll ever make it. It's extremely hard to do.
I'm really not trying to criticize guys that do their best to guess right. Actually play poker with dudes like that once a week. Ha..I jest.
But, really I think when you actually get 20% of the lower "A" level guys that you Diamond up even to the Show, you're pretty successful.
Now, does that make giving some 20-year old single "A" pitcher a 95 Diamond any easier for a skeptic like me to take. Sure doesn't.
Sure, but you didn't know that they all made the show before I told you, as evidenced by "They did have Brett Phillips, Colin Moran, and Austin Hays who actually made it to The Show", so really your just dancing around to support your beliefs, which is fine, I can see they aren't going to change.
But like I've said before, SDS has the data, they must have seen the success of these cards or they wouldn't bring them back, so it stands the reason the majority of users are completely fine with it.
What, you didn't read my post correctly or I missed a comma or you missed a comma. I know Brett Phillips, Colin Moran, and Austin Hays made it and are still playing. Just not real well.
Did I know Dawl Lugo made it for about a week and went straight back to the Mexican leagues? Sure didn't and I bet there ain't a soul on Super Jeopardy the Sports Edition who woulda known that little bit of trivia.
C'mon man. I don't want to argue with you. OK, this game gets it right always. These Future Stars with the 95's and what not will all live up to the hype. Not one paying fan has any right whatsoever to complain or even joke a little bit about it.
Sorry I upset you. But, dude, people aren't always going to say what you want to here..and that doesn't make them wrong.
And now you are falling into hyperbole, can you point me to where I said this at all in this thread?
And I like how you always sidestep this
"But like I've said before, SDS has the data, they must have seen the success of these cards or they wouldn't bring them back, so it stands the reason the majority of users are completely fine with it."That sure was hyperbole..I typically call it exaggeration or embellishment. Just a microcosm of how 2 people and opinions can be different as well.
I know you didn't say any of that. But what you did say was completely (IMO, please don't be hurt) far and away from a legitimate argument or counter-point regarding the theme of my posts regarding Future Stars.
The Theme, and I'm doing this from memory, is I, personally, have a problem with all of these Future Stars getting high Diamonds. THIS NEXT PART IS IMPORTANT...I feel many of them won't even make it to the Show and even if they do will never-ever have nearly the success these grossly amplified (hyperboled if you want) cards are indicating.
That's it..So Dawl Lugo made it..happy for Dawl and happy for the Prognosticators that likely gave him a big card for his future MLB career. That is just pure sarcasm..no hyperbole.
Let's just agree to disagree. Again, I'm not trying to crusade against you..but I absolutely don't agree with your opinion on this particular subject. Nothing at all personal.
You don't have to agree with my opinion, and I'm sorry if that is the way my wording has come across.
I probably wouldn't care if future stars went away in 22, I'd move on and continue playing, that's not really what I'm trying to say here.
You have been arguing (in some posts, not all here), that a majority of users dislike (or don't feel any connection or care) about future stars. I'll throw a few quotes to show what I'm talking about below. But SDS has the numbers, and I'm sure if these cards weren't a success, they would have been long gone by now, so that hypothesis isn't based on anything other then your feelings you are projecting onto the community.
You aren't wrong for those feelings, your opinion is valid, but the projection onto the community really isn't. I think that point is something I failed to meaningly convey as it went on.
Here are some of the quotes from which I drew the above conclusion on, if I'm wrong, please let me know.
" These "future Stars" are being rolled out to a majority of customers that haven't a clue who they are."
Now that I'm rereading your messages that's about all I got. Maybe we both were reading stuff from each other that wasn't there. My apologies
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@ironeyes_cody_psn said in Wander Franco..dud?:
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@ironeyes_cody_psn said in Wander Franco..dud?:
But, nobody can ever say that forum chat doesn't inspire. I went out and did a very little bit of searching. Reddit had a big thread from Sept. 2018 discussing #MLBtheshow future stars just released that week.
Ppl whining about Bote, Carantini, Ryan Borucki, Austin Hays getting cards. And, in hindsight, they had every right to complain.
From this I found a Twitter link showing Some cat named Dawel Lugo. Stephan Gonsalaves. WTF? They did have Brett Phillips, Colin Moran, and Austin Hays who actually made it to The Show, but far-far-far from anything noteworthy. They did get one right..Shane Bieber. One out of God knows how many.
Here is a Twitter link with the 2018 from AL Central. https://twitter.com/sporer/status/1042204793245245441/photo/4 #SonyPartner, #TheShow18
Do some research, it's pretty interesting..in a funny sort of way. Not knocking the prognosticators at SDS. They do their best with what they got. Problem is scouts get paid a whole lot of money and are 'sposd to be experts and completely blow it. Who should expect a bunch of software developers to get it right? There are just way too many variables.
Um, every single future star previous to 2020 made the show, so all those you named played at some point. (Because they didn't have the rights to use minor league names at the time because that is separate from the major league players association license)
Making the Show and making an impact are 2 different things. Hey, I said it's not easy to predict how guys in the minor leagues are going to do at the MLB level..if they'll ever make it. It's extremely hard to do.
I'm really not trying to criticize guys that do their best to guess right. Actually play poker with dudes like that once a week. Ha..I jest.
But, really I think when you actually get 20% of the lower "A" level guys that you Diamond up even to the Show, you're pretty successful.
Now, does that make giving some 20-year old single "A" pitcher a 95 Diamond any easier for a skeptic like me to take. Sure doesn't.
Sure, but you didn't know that they all made the show before I told you, as evidenced by "They did have Brett Phillips, Colin Moran, and Austin Hays who actually made it to The Show", so really your just dancing around to support your beliefs, which is fine, I can see they aren't going to change.
But like I've said before, SDS has the data, they must have seen the success of these cards or they wouldn't bring them back, so it stands the reason the majority of users are completely fine with it.
What, you didn't read my post correctly or I missed a comma or you missed a comma. I know Brett Phillips, Colin Moran, and Austin Hays made it and are still playing. Just not real well.
Did I know Dawl Lugo made it for about a week and went straight back to the Mexican leagues? Sure didn't and I bet there ain't a soul on Super Jeopardy the Sports Edition who woulda known that little bit of trivia.
C'mon man. I don't want to argue with you. OK, this game gets it right always. These Future Stars with the 95's and what not will all live up to the hype. Not one paying fan has any right whatsoever to complain or even joke a little bit about it.
Sorry I upset you. But, dude, people aren't always going to say what you want to here..and that doesn't make them wrong.
And now you are falling into hyperbole, can you point me to where I said this at all in this thread?
And I like how you always sidestep this
"But like I've said before, SDS has the data, they must have seen the success of these cards or they wouldn't bring them back, so it stands the reason the majority of users are completely fine with it."That sure was hyperbole..I typically call it exaggeration or embellishment. Just a microcosm of how 2 people and opinions can be different as well.
I know you didn't say any of that. But what you did say was completely (IMO, please don't be hurt) far and away from a legitimate argument or counter-point regarding the theme of my posts regarding Future Stars.
The Theme, and I'm doing this from memory, is I, personally, have a problem with all of these Future Stars getting high Diamonds. THIS NEXT PART IS IMPORTANT...I feel many of them won't even make it to the Show and even if they do will never-ever have nearly the success these grossly amplified (hyperboled if you want) cards are indicating.
That's it..So Dawl Lugo made it..happy for Dawl and happy for the Prognosticators that likely gave him a big card for his future MLB career. That is just pure sarcasm..no hyperbole.
Let's just agree to disagree. Again, I'm not trying to crusade against you..but I absolutely don't agree with your opinion on this particular subject. Nothing at all personal.
You don't have to agree with my opinion, and I'm sorry if that is the way my wording has come across.
I probably wouldn't care if future stars went away in 22, I'd move on and continue playing, that's not really what I'm trying to say here.
You have been arguing (in some posts, not all here), that a majority of users dislike (or don't feel any connection or care) about future stars. I'll throw a few quotes to show what I'm talking about below. But SDS has the numbers, and I'm sure if these cards weren't a success, they would have been long gone by now, so that hypothesis isn't based on anything other then your feelings you are projecting onto the community.
You aren't wrong for those feelings, your opinion is valid, but the projection onto the community really isn't. I think that point is something I failed to meaningly convey as it went on.
Here are some of the quotes from which I drew the above conclusion on, if I'm wrong, please let me know.
" These "future Stars" are being rolled out to a majority of customers that haven't a clue who they are."
Now that I'm rereading your messages that's about all I got. Maybe we both were reading stuff from each other that wasn't there. My apologies
Fair enough.
My crusading against absurd generosity given to Future Star cards posts are behind me. It only gets me in trouble.
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@ironeyes_cody_psn said in Wander Franco..dud?:
Take Quinn Priester, currently one of the best Pitchers in DD. Yet he's never made it out of A+ and really hasn't done anything too memorable there. One Tommy John and, likely, he never does make it to MLB.
LOL HE IS 20 YEARS OLD
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@necessaryninja31 said in Wander Franco..dud?:
@ironeyes_cody_psn said in Wander Franco..dud?:
Take Quinn Priester, currently one of the best Pitchers in DD. Yet he's never made it out of A+ and really hasn't done anything too memorable there. One Tommy John and, likely, he never does make it to MLB.
LOL HE IS 20 YEARS OLD
Yeah, I know. Look up Brien Taylor sometime and see how he ended up. As a 20 year old he was considered a shoe-in to be the Yankees Ace. One of the hardest throwing left-handed pitcher to come along in the last decade.
The duds to studs ratio in the world of MLB prospects is way out of proportion favoring the duds side. For every Acuna Jr. there are 10 Brett Jacksons.
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@raylewissb47_psn said in Wander Franco..dud?:
Well that settles it. The Rays should release him and he should be downgraded to a common.
Big brain right there!
