What are the odds of JD Martinez going diamond
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I think low but you never know
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lol, good use of stubs.
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With zero defense, pretty tough to ever go diamond. Just ask Nelly Cruz
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He should go diamond with the way he’s been hitting
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@marcusa316_psn said in What are the odds of JD Martinez going diamond:
He should go diamond with the way he’s been hitting
And what about Cruz? Dude's outhit him consistently and he can't sniff diamond... You gotta play D and run a bit to get diamond imo... JD does none of those things..
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@nanthrax_1_psn said in What are the odds of JD Martinez going diamond:
With zero defense, pretty tough to ever go diamond. Just ask Nelly Cruz
He was diamond two years ago.
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@nanthrax_1_psn said in What are the odds of JD Martinez going diamond:
@marcusa316_psn said in What are the odds of JD Martinez going diamond:
He should go diamond with the way he’s been hitting
And what about Cruz? Dude's outhit him consistently and he can't sniff diamond... You gotta play D and run a bit to get diamond imo... JD does none of those things..
Um JD was diamond last year (and imo shouldn't have been dropped back to a gold to start this year) and looking at his #s he's outhit Cruz the last 2 full MLB seasons.
I agree with you neither is a huge help defensively or on the base paths. But as for hitting at least recently it's JD > Cruz.
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@djeternal2_psn said in What are the odds of JD Martinez going diamond:
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@marcusa316_psn said in What are the odds of JD Martinez going diamond:
He should go diamond with the way he’s been hitting
And what about Cruz? Dude's outhit him consistently and he can't sniff diamond... You gotta play D and run a bit to get diamond imo... JD does none of those things..
Um JD was diamond last year (and imo shouldn't have been dropped back to a gold to start this year) and looking at his #s he's outhit Cruz the last 2 full MLB seasons.
I agree with you neither is a huge help defensively or on the base paths. But as for hitting at least recently it's JD > Cruz.
The last time JD outhit Cruz was 2018...
Cruz 2019 - 169 wRC+
JD 2019 - 140 wRC+And 2020 of course we won't even go there.
My point is Cruz is insane and still can't sniff diamond... JD shouldn't either, especially with that bad '20 mixed in. -
I dont think he should go up just bc his hitting stats are already great for a LS card and then when you add inside edge he's a monster. I think he ends up getting a bopost against righties and they bring his lefty stats down. They always do similar stuff with guys that are borderline that dont go diamond
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@ny_giants4_life said in What are the odds of JD Martinez going diamond:
I dont think he should go up just bc his hitting stats are already great for a LS card and then when you add inside edge he's a monster. I think he ends up getting a bopost against righties and they bring his lefty stats down. They always do similar stuff with guys that are borderline that dont go diamond
This. Not to mention he already has an 87 overall card already so they might not feel any urgency to boost him too quickly.
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I bought 100 of him for 1800 a pop I think its a good investment he will eventually go diamond by the end of the year I feel like
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@nanthrax_1_psn said in What are the odds of JD Martinez going diamond:
@marcusa316_psn said in What are the odds of JD Martinez going diamond:
He should go diamond with the way he’s been hitting
And what about Cruz? Dude's outhit him consistently and he can't sniff diamond... You gotta play D and run a bit to get diamond imo... JD does none of those things..
Um JD was diamond last year (and imo shouldn't have been dropped back to a gold to start this year) and looking at his #s he's outhit Cruz the last 2 full MLB seasons.
I agree with you neither is a huge help defensively or on the base paths. But as for hitting at least recently it's JD > Cruz.
The last time JD outhit Cruz was 2018...
Cruz 2019 - 169 wRC+
JD 2019 - 140 wRC+And 2020 of course we won't even go there.
My point is Cruz is insane and still can't sniff diamond... JD shouldn't either, especially with that bad '20 mixed in.but we are talking only about 2021 and Cruz isnt close
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@locutusofburg said in What are the odds of JD Martinez going diamond:
@nanthrax_1_psn said in What are the odds of JD Martinez going diamond:
With zero defense, pretty tough to ever go diamond. Just ask Nelly Cruz
He was diamond two years ago.
i think he played defense 2 years ago?
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@pscrabro_psn said in What are the odds of JD Martinez going diamond:
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@marcusa316_psn said in What are the odds of JD Martinez going diamond:
He should go diamond with the way he’s been hitting
And what about Cruz? Dude's outhit him consistently and he can't sniff diamond... You gotta play D and run a bit to get diamond imo... JD does none of those things..
Um JD was diamond last year (and imo shouldn't have been dropped back to a gold to start this year) and looking at his #s he's outhit Cruz the last 2 full MLB seasons.
I agree with you neither is a huge help defensively or on the base paths. But as for hitting at least recently it's JD > Cruz.
The last time JD outhit Cruz was 2018...
Cruz 2019 - 169 wRC+
JD 2019 - 140 wRC+And 2020 of course we won't even go there.
My point is Cruz is insane and still can't sniff diamond... JD shouldn't either, especially with that bad '20 mixed in.but we are talking only about 2021 and Cruz isnt close
Why are we only talking about 2021??? They go by 3 year averages.
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based on my math 14:1
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@marcusa316_psn said in What are the odds of JD Martinez going diamond:
He should go diamond with the way he’s been hitting
And what about Cruz? Dude's outhit him consistently and he can't sniff diamond... You gotta play D and run a bit to get diamond imo... JD does none of those things..
Um JD was diamond last year (and imo shouldn't have been dropped back to a gold to start this year) and looking at his #s he's outhit Cruz the last 2 full MLB seasons.
I agree with you neither is a huge help defensively or on the base paths. But as for hitting at least recently it's JD > Cruz.
The last time JD outhit Cruz was 2018...
Cruz 2019 - 169 wRC+
JD 2019 - 140 wRC+And 2020 of course we won't even go there.
My point is Cruz is insane and still can't sniff diamond... JD shouldn't either, especially with that bad '20 mixed in.but we are talking only about 2021 and Cruz isnt close
Why are we only talking about 2021??? They go by 3 year averages.
okay.... entire career then.... J.D. is the better overall hitter than Cruz. look at the side byy side numbers and it would be tough to argue Cruz better than Martinez. Cruz has had a couple strong years lately, but J.D. is far more consistent.... cruz is only a career .270 hitter averaging less hits, HR, and R.B.I per season than Martinez. J.D. had a terrible season last year, but is top 5 in almost everything hitting this year and Cruz isnt even on the lists.... is he even playing this year?
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@nanthrax_1_psn said in What are the odds of JD Martinez going diamond:
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@marcusa316_psn said in What are the odds of JD Martinez going diamond:
He should go diamond with the way he’s been hitting
And what about Cruz? Dude's outhit him consistently and he can't sniff diamond... You gotta play D and run a bit to get diamond imo... JD does none of those things..
Um JD was diamond last year (and imo shouldn't have been dropped back to a gold to start this year) and looking at his #s he's outhit Cruz the last 2 full MLB seasons.
I agree with you neither is a huge help defensively or on the base paths. But as for hitting at least recently it's JD > Cruz.
The last time JD outhit Cruz was 2018...
Cruz 2019 - 169 wRC+
JD 2019 - 140 wRC+And 2020 of course we won't even go there.
My point is Cruz is insane and still can't sniff diamond... JD shouldn't either, especially with that bad '20 mixed in.but we are talking only about 2021 and Cruz isnt close
Why are we only talking about 2021??? They go by 3 year averages.
there isnt a GM in baseball that would pick Cruz over Martinez.... hence the massive difference in pay.
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@djeternal2_psn said in What are the odds of JD Martinez going diamond:
@nanthrax_1_psn said in What are the odds of JD Martinez going diamond:
@marcusa316_psn said in What are the odds of JD Martinez going diamond:
He should go diamond with the way he’s been hitting
And what about Cruz? Dude's outhit him consistently and he can't sniff diamond... You gotta play D and run a bit to get diamond imo... JD does none of those things..
Um JD was diamond last year (and imo shouldn't have been dropped back to a gold to start this year) and looking at his #s he's outhit Cruz the last 2 full MLB seasons.
I agree with you neither is a huge help defensively or on the base paths. But as for hitting at least recently it's JD > Cruz.
Definitely. He will get a high diamond later in the season anyway, whether it’s Awards Series, Monthly Awards or Finest.
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If Stanton is diamond Martinez should be.
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@pscrabro_psn said in What are the odds of JD Martinez going diamond:
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@pscrabro_psn said in What are the odds of JD Martinez going diamond:
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@marcusa316_psn said in What are the odds of JD Martinez going diamond:
He should go diamond with the way he’s been hitting
And what about Cruz? Dude's outhit him consistently and he can't sniff diamond... You gotta play D and run a bit to get diamond imo... JD does none of those things..
Um JD was diamond last year (and imo shouldn't have been dropped back to a gold to start this year) and looking at his #s he's outhit Cruz the last 2 full MLB seasons.
I agree with you neither is a huge help defensively or on the base paths. But as for hitting at least recently it's JD > Cruz.
The last time JD outhit Cruz was 2018...
Cruz 2019 - 169 wRC+
JD 2019 - 140 wRC+And 2020 of course we won't even go there.
My point is Cruz is insane and still can't sniff diamond... JD shouldn't either, especially with that bad '20 mixed in.but we are talking only about 2021 and Cruz isnt close
Why are we only talking about 2021??? They go by 3 year averages.
okay.... entire career then.... J.D. is the better overall hitter than Cruz. look at the side byy side numbers and it would be tough to argue Cruz better than Martinez. Cruz has had a couple strong years lately, but J.D. is far more consistent.... cruz is only a career .270 hitter averaging less hits, HR, and R.B.I per season than Martinez. J.D. had a terrible season last year, but is top 5 in almost everything hitting this year and Cruz isnt even on the lists.... is he even playing this year?
Wow.. incredible ignorance in your response.
First off, Cruz is almost 41 years old.. the fact he's still productive is something JD Martinez can only hope for when his career winds down. Judging by the fact he's a DH already at 33 years old isn't a good thing.
Secondly, ya, Cruz is playing. How stupid of a comment to ask if he is or isn't.. just tells me you're going off the cuff with your bias..
He's got a 141 OPS+ at 40 years old.. sure, it's not JD's 162 this year, but we will forgive him when he's one of the oldest players in the league.Now, let's get into career.
Cruz 134 OPS+ career hitter for 17 seasons.
JD 136 OPS+ career hitter for 11 seasons.Almost identical. Cruz just has been doing it a lot longer..
Over their last 4 years, let's compare, since this is when they are both useless on defense.
Cruz 160 OPS+
JD 147 OPS+Hmmm.. and Cruz is almost 8 years older...
JD isn't more consistent. Last year proves that. Cruz is the model of consistency, shown by the fact he's 40 and still an elite hitter. Martinez is better right now, because he should be. He's 33 years old! But he can only hope to continue to be productive like Cruz..
And the fact remains, Martinez should be similarly rated to Cruz. As over the last 3 years, they're almost the same.
