So this is pretty much why I'm hesitant to buy 21
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@the_canuckler said in So this is pretty much why I'm hesitant to buy 21:
Interesting, before it was the game catered to people that just waited for the "inevitable hanger" now it's the game rewards guys who swing at everything, crazy how people change their thoughts
There’s a few different types of gameplay that work and shouldnt.
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You have players that will only swing middle. And wait for a hanger. This strategy is more skillful - yes because technically that’s something you look for is swings over the plate and if I miss which I have. I’m good with it but when I don’t miss. And the game misses for me. It’s annoying. But you could argue that this strategy could be successful for actual misses and you’d be right.
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There are players that also swing at every single pitch and are very successful at it. I’ve never seen so many 800+ players swing early several times a game and foul balls off with the back of their bat sitting fastball. And just never take a pitch. They get pitches. This is the strategy that should never ever work imo.
You are literally one of the very few players that defend a skill set in this game. I’ve seen very high level top players losing in 5-600 big names. Top 50 guys. I’ve watched it in streams. So. Maybe you are just the best player on earth but guys in the 1100 rating losing on 500-600 rating several times in a row. Seems strange
And most of them say the game is totally random. Moviegaming is one of them. I watched him lose 3 games in a row on 600 to a guys That had negative all time records
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@a_perfectgame said in So this is pretty much why I'm hesitant to buy 21:
@the_canuckler said in So this is pretty much why I'm hesitant to buy 21:
Interesting, before it was the game catered to people that just waited for the "inevitable hanger" now it's the game rewards guys who swing at everything, crazy how people change their thoughts
There’s a few different types of gameplay that work and shouldnt.
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You have players that will only swing middle. And wait for a hanger. This strategy is more skillful - yes because technically that’s something you look for is swings over the plate and if I miss which I have. I’m good with it but when I don’t miss. And the game misses for me. It’s annoying. But you could argue that this strategy could be successful for actual misses and you’d be right.
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There are players that also swing at every single pitch and are very successful at it. I’ve never seen so many 800+ players swing early several times a game and foul balls off with the back of their bat sitting fastball. And just never take a pitch. They get pitches. This is the strategy that should never ever work imo.
You are literally one of the very few players that defend a skill set in this game. I’ve seen very high level top players losing in 5-600 big names. Top 50 guys. I’ve watched it in streams. So. Maybe you are just the best player on earth but guys in the 1100 rating losing on 500-600 rating several times in a row. Seems strange
And most of them say the game is totally random. Moviegaming is one of them. I watched him lose 3 games in a row on 600 to a guys That had negative all time records
Bro. You check DM at all? Heh. It's that little Icon in the top right of the screen with 3 bars.
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been playing in a mlb 17 lg. pitching is a whole other ballgame. you actually have to have a good eye to hit and you can't just sit on hangers all game or foul off waste pitches all game because it will force weak hit balls into play.
so to me the problem isn't hitting per se but pitching in 20 is what allows impatient hitters to thrive . in 17 you can force easy outs because you can consistently hit the black and it forces the user to decide whether to put the ball in play or not. you can put impatient hitters away in 3 pitches per inning cause they swing at everything but the truly skilled player will mash pitches on the black more frequently. I consider myself a pretty bad at placing the PCI but one thing I am very good at is recognizing balls and strikes around the black and knowing strikes and balls within cm but in 20 that's not really that important since your pitching is going to decide the outcome which is pretty much RANDOM.
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Yeah, I really enjoyed pitching in ‘17. I fondly remember being able to locate accurately with good input and being able to actually execute a plan to force a hitter to ground the ball to the left side of the infield into your double play setup. Sadly, that’s not been a thing in MLB the Show for a few years. As for ‘21, I’m not buying it this year at all. I used to be a huge fan of this franchise, but ‘20 was the absolute pits in terms of gameplay and pretty much killed what little faith I’d regained in SDS after they vastly improved ‘19 from the dumpster fire of ‘18. I still check the forum or look on google to see what new legends and features have been revealed, but I’m not watching the twitch streams, or considering buying the game. The chances of SDS getting the game working right on next gen at the first time of asking, plus going multi platform for the first time are so slim as to be practically nonexistent based on what they achieved given years of experience developing for PS4.
It’s not even particularly that they can’t make a decent game. They made a clear choice to step away from making a quality product when they were on the cusp of becoming a contender for competitive esports and instead opted to cater Diamond Dynasty to children who like to simply pound buttons and hit lots of home runs with a roster full of (unrealistic and undeserving) 99/125 everything cards. It’s all just too stupid and while I found it extremely difficult to have any success in ‘20, I rarely felt as though it was a result of being outplayed or overmatched in relation to my skill or baseball strategy, more a case of the game randomly and arbitrarily producing results that didn’t correlate to input. Either way, I can’t remember having a more miserable baseball experience than I had with ‘18 and ‘20, even back playing RBI Baseball on the Sega Genesis and writing down my own stats with a pen and paper.
There’s nothing fun or rewarding for me about pitching to an ERA well above 5.00 or 6.00 with your entire rotation while playing 18-15 games at Shippet with each team hitting 14 home runs. I don’t have any faith in this product at all anymore, there’s been a clear pattern of regression for years. SDS don’t listen to the players, instead doing whatever they feel will be for the best and then wasting valuable time and resources attempting to hide this fact behind things like new swing feedback. Which they inevitably botch anyway. I just can’t keep buying and bitching, so I’m taking at least one year away from the game. I’ll see how I feel in a years time.
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@the_fools_sip_psn said in So this is pretty much why I'm hesitant to buy 21:
been playing in a mlb 17 lg. pitching is a whole other ballgame. you actually have to have a good eye to hit and you can't just sit on hangers all game or foul off waste pitches all game because it will force weak hit balls into play.
so to me the problem isn't hitting per se but pitching in 20 is what allows impatient hitters to thrive . in 17 you can force easy outs because you can consistently hit the black and it forces the user to decide whether to put the ball in play or not. you can put impatient hitters away in 3 pitches per inning cause they swing at everything but the truly skilled player will mash pitches on the black more frequently. I consider myself a pretty bad at placing the PCI but one thing I am very good at is recognizing balls and strikes around the black and knowing strikes and balls within cm but in 20 that's not really that important since your pitching is going to decide the outcome which is pretty much RANDOM.
EXACTLY!!! I 100% agree with this.
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@comebacklogic said in So this is pretty much why I'm hesitant to buy 21:
Yeah, I really enjoyed pitching in ‘17. I fondly remember being able to locate accurately with good input and being able to actually execute a plan to force a hitter to ground the ball to the left side of the infield into your double play setup. Sadly, that’s not been a thing in MLB the Show for a few years. As for ‘21, I’m not buying it this year at all. I used to be a huge fan of this franchise, but ‘20 was the absolute pits in terms of gameplay and pretty much killed what little faith I’d regained in SDS after they vastly improved ‘19 from the dumpster fire of ‘18. I still check the forum or look on google to see what new legends and features have been revealed, but I’m not watching the twitch streams, or considering buying the game. The chances of SDS getting the game working right on next gen at the first time of asking, plus going multi platform for the first time are so slim as to be practically nonexistent based on what they achieved given years of experience developing for PS4.
It’s not even particularly that they can’t make a decent game. They made a clear choice to step away from making a quality product when they were on the cusp of becoming a contender for competitive esports and instead opted to cater Diamond Dynasty to children who like to simply pound buttons and hit lots of home runs with a roster full of (unrealistic and undeserving) 99/125 everything cards. It’s all just too stupid and while I found it extremely difficult to have any success in ‘20, I rarely felt as though it was a result of being outplayed or overmatched in relation to my skill or baseball strategy, more a case of the game randomly and arbitrarily producing results that didn’t correlate to input. Either way, I can’t remember having a more miserable baseball experience than I had with ‘18 and ‘20, even back playing RBI Baseball on the Sega Genesis and writing down my own stats with a pen and paper.
There’s nothing fun or rewarding for me about pitching to an ERA well above 5.00 or 6.00 with your entire rotation while playing 18-15 games at Shippet with each team hitting 14 home runs. I don’t have any faith in this product at all anymore, there’s been a clear pattern of regression for years. SDS don’t listen to the players, instead doing whatever they feel will be for the best and then wasting valuable time and resources attempting to hide this fact behind things like new swing feedback. Which they inevitably botch anyway. I just can’t keep buying and bitching, so I’m taking at least one year away from the game. I’ll see how I feel in a years time.
Very respectable take
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The sad thing is they do listen to players, it's juat the wrong players most of the time
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@a_perfectgame said in So this is pretty much why I'm hesitant to buy 21:
@the_canuckler said in So this is pretty much why I'm hesitant to buy 21:
Interesting, before it was the game catered to people that just waited for the "inevitable hanger" now it's the game rewards guys who swing at everything, crazy how people change their thoughts
There’s a few different types of gameplay that work and shouldnt.
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You have players that will only swing middle. And wait for a hanger. This strategy is more skillful - yes because technically that’s something you look for is swings over the plate and if I miss which I have. I’m good with it but when I don’t miss. And the game misses for me. It’s annoying. But you could argue that this strategy could be successful for actual misses and you’d be right.
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There are players that also swing at every single pitch and are very successful at it. I’ve never seen so many 800+ players swing early several times a game and foul balls off with the back of their bat sitting fastball. And just never take a pitch. They get pitches. This is the strategy that should never ever work imo.
You are literally one of the very few players that defend a skill set in this game. I’ve seen very high level top players losing in 5-600 big names. Top 50 guys. I’ve watched it in streams. So. Maybe you are just the best player on earth but guys in the 1100 rating losing on 500-600 rating several times in a row. Seems strange
And most of them say the game is totally random. Moviegaming is one of them. I watched him lose 3 games in a row on 600 to a guys That had negative all time records
the 1906 cubs, considered the best baseball team of all time lost 36 games.
This is baseball, not COD.
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@allproduct52449_xbl said in So this is pretty much why I'm hesitant to buy 21:
Just go to the tech test and do custom practice. That’s what I did today, just worked on hitting high sinkers and fastballs. This game is broken and we all know it
We can still play in the tech test?
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@orangeug1ad_xbl said in So this is pretty much why I'm hesitant to buy 21:
@allproduct52449_xbl said in So this is pretty much why I'm hesitant to buy 21:
Just go to the tech test and do custom practice. That’s what I did today, just worked on hitting high sinkers and fastballs. This game is broken and we all know it
We can still play in the tech test?
Yeah go to options explorer and you can play 9 inning games and custom practice still works
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@d_e_m_i_s_e said in So this is pretty much why I'm hesitant to buy 21:
Just had an 11 inning game. Luckily, the opponent couldn't hit my 20 pitches down the middle because I had no control. Here are my PCI placement outs:
Betts - 11, 12, 14
Bellinger - 13, 14, P, P
Soto - 12, 12, 12
Mantle - 12, 12, 13, 14, 15
Seager - 10, 12, 15
Ruth - 12, 13, 13
Foxx - 11, 12, 15
Brett - Went 4-4 and is hitting like .390 (4 hits were 10, 11, 11, P
Morgan (PH) - 14
Freeman (PH) -12
D'Arnaud (PH) - 10Most people playing this game score 15 runs with that and hit 10 HR's. I had a whopping 1 HR. Had 3 k's to my opponents 9. Of course he had 4 walks cuz most pitches were down the middle or a ball.
This kind of game is common for me. My network is optimized. This does not feel rewarding to me. Won the game. Getting off the game because even though I won, this is not my definition of fun.How is the game broken if most people get 10 HRs with that? Seems you were just unlucky one game.
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@orangeug1ad_xbl said in So this is pretty much why I'm hesitant to buy 21:
@allproduct52449_xbl said in So this is pretty much why I'm hesitant to buy 21:
Just go to the tech test and do custom practice. That’s what I did today, just worked on hitting high sinkers and fastballs. This game is broken and we all know it
We can still play in the tech test?
Yes
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Lol it has t gotten better. I just had the almost exact game you had. Lost 2-1 to some scrub in extras even thoughI hot 9 to the warning track with 12-14 feedback and he was flailing all game abs hit a sinker under the zone to walk it off. Lolololop
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@lucas8181 said in So this is pretty much why I'm hesitant to buy 21:
@a_perfectgame said in So this is pretty much why I'm hesitant to buy 21:
@the_canuckler said in So this is pretty much why I'm hesitant to buy 21:
Interesting, before it was the game catered to people that just waited for the "inevitable hanger" now it's the game rewards guys who swing at everything, crazy how people change their thoughts
There’s a few different types of gameplay that work and shouldnt.
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You have players that will only swing middle. And wait for a hanger. This strategy is more skillful - yes because technically that’s something you look for is swings over the plate and if I miss which I have. I’m good with it but when I don’t miss. And the game misses for me. It’s annoying. But you could argue that this strategy could be successful for actual misses and you’d be right.
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There are players that also swing at every single pitch and are very successful at it. I’ve never seen so many 800+ players swing early several times a game and foul balls off with the back of their bat sitting fastball. And just never take a pitch. They get pitches. This is the strategy that should never ever work imo.
You are literally one of the very few players that defend a skill set in this game. I’ve seen very high level top players losing in 5-600 big names. Top 50 guys. I’ve watched it in streams. So. Maybe you are just the best player on earth but guys in the 1100 rating losing on 500-600 rating several times in a row. Seems strange
And most of them say the game is totally random. Moviegaming is one of them. I watched him lose 3 games in a row on 600 to a guys That had negative all time records
the 1906 cubs, considered the best baseball team of all time lost 36 games.
This is baseball, not COD.
It’s a competitive video game. It’s not a simulation. Guys like moviegaming have gotten into the 1100s in past games and should never lose to guys in the 600s in 3 consecutive games when they out inputted them in every game.
It’s everything that is wrong with the game. The Cubs comparison doesn’t make sense because they were playing other mlb teams.
You are playing me with our teams — if you are better then me at the mechanics of the game we are playing - you deserve to win if those mechanics are executed better then the way I execute them.
That’s all I’m asking for. That is very fair to ask for in a video game.
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@a_perfectgame said in So this is pretty much why I'm hesitant to buy 21:
@lucas8181 said in So this is pretty much why I'm hesitant to buy 21:
@a_perfectgame said in So this is pretty much why I'm hesitant to buy 21:
@the_canuckler said in So this is pretty much why I'm hesitant to buy 21:
Interesting, before it was the game catered to people that just waited for the "inevitable hanger" now it's the game rewards guys who swing at everything, crazy how people change their thoughts
There’s a few different types of gameplay that work and shouldnt.
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You have players that will only swing middle. And wait for a hanger. This strategy is more skillful - yes because technically that’s something you look for is swings over the plate and if I miss which I have. I’m good with it but when I don’t miss. And the game misses for me. It’s annoying. But you could argue that this strategy could be successful for actual misses and you’d be right.
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There are players that also swing at every single pitch and are very successful at it. I’ve never seen so many 800+ players swing early several times a game and foul balls off with the back of their bat sitting fastball. And just never take a pitch. They get pitches. This is the strategy that should never ever work imo.
You are literally one of the very few players that defend a skill set in this game. I’ve seen very high level top players losing in 5-600 big names. Top 50 guys. I’ve watched it in streams. So. Maybe you are just the best player on earth but guys in the 1100 rating losing on 500-600 rating several times in a row. Seems strange
And most of them say the game is totally random. Moviegaming is one of them. I watched him lose 3 games in a row on 600 to a guys That had negative all time records
the 1906 cubs, considered the best baseball team of all time lost 36 games.
This is baseball, not COD.
It’s a competitive video game. It’s not a simulation. Guys like moviegaming have gotten into the 1100s in past games and should never lose to guys in the 600s in 3 consecutive games when they out inputted them in every game.
It’s everything that is wrong with the game. The Cubs comparison doesn’t make sense because they were playing other mlb teams.
You are playing me with our teams — if you are better then me at the mechanics of the game we are playing - you deserve to win if those mechanics are executed better then the way I execute them.
That’s all I’m asking for. That is very fair to ask for in a video game.
True story. Saw a streamer hit 3 HR's yesterday with the ball not even in the PCI.
I made a router adjustment and game is playing a little bit better but it is easy to tell this streamer was playing a different game. The pitch speeds he was facing on legend looked like between my all star and HOF. You can say it looks slower because he was streaming but the ball doesn't slow down because it is on a stream. The pitch time to the plate is still the pitch time to the plate. It is the same reason one game you can turn on 99 and the next you are very late on 94. Imagine playing every game where you can turn on 99. That is what these people that go 890-90 and 12-0 see every game.
Trying to track pitches on HOF is a nightmare. This is how I used to hit all the time back in the day when I had time to react. Had to switch up my style to account for the way my game was playing.
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