So this is pretty much why I'm hesitant to buy 21
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@rabid55wolverine said in So this is pretty much why I'm hesitant to buy 21:
Not just practice, can play full 9 inning games too vs the ai
Yea which I love it’s what I’ve been doing a lot of fun
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@d_e_m_i_s_e said in So this is pretty much why I'm hesitant to buy 21:
Just had an 11 inning game. Luckily, the opponent couldn't hit my 20 pitches down the middle because I had no control. Here are my PCI placement outs:
Betts - 11, 12, 14
Bellinger - 13, 14, P, P
Soto - 12, 12, 12
Mantle - 12, 12, 13, 14, 15
Seager - 10, 12, 15
Ruth - 12, 13, 13
Foxx - 11, 12, 15
Brett - Went 4-4 and is hitting like .390 (4 hits were 10, 11, 11, P
Morgan (PH) - 14
Freeman (PH) -12
D'Arnaud (PH) - 10Most people playing this game score 15 runs with that and hit 10 HR's. I had a whopping 1 HR. Had 3 k's to my opponents 9. Of course he had 4 walks cuz most pitches were down the middle or a ball.
This kind of game is common for me. My network is optimized. This does not feel rewarding to me. Won the game. Getting off the game because even though I won, this is not my definition of fun.Honestly, I'm surprised you're still playing. I stopped playing a month ago, just so I can at least look forward to 21. Too many silly things were going on late in the season to take it seriously anymore.
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I’m hesitant cause the game looks dumb af. Looks like they took steps back if I’m being honest.
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Yeha game is trash. Last night I had a game I lost when I out hit the dude but he has coors and managed to hit 5 solo wall scrapers bc he was [censored] at hitting. All of them where forced hangers. ( doesn’t include the other 4-5 he whiffed on) pitching accuracy is trash and it caters to noobs that get lucky bombs on hung pitches
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@crimson_monk said in So this is pretty much why I'm hesitant to buy 21:
Yeha game is trash. Last night I had a game I lost when I out hit the dude but he has coors and managed to hit 5 solo wall scrapers bc he was [censored] at hitting. All of them where forced hangers. ( doesn’t include the other 4-5 he whiffed on) pitching accuracy is trash and it caters to noobs that get lucky bombs on hung pitches
This exactly. 20 caters to people that cannot be patient and swing at every pitch. I’ve been patient worked counts and then lined out on 3-2 where my opponent swings at every pitch maybe check swings a ball or 2 then gets a meatball on a perfect meter directly down the middle. It doesn’t happen “sometimes” it’s the way the game actually plays
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@lil_ramram12_psn said in So this is pretty much why I'm hesitant to buy 21:
I’m hesitant cause the game looks dumb af. Looks like they took steps back if I’m being honest.
I have to agree in a lot of ways they seemed to have scale back the game ALOT as far as the look and production. The game looks very dull. The menus they’ve been showing in the premiers look unfinished and bad. But I can’t say anything negative about gameplay honestly
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@a_perfectgame said in So this is pretty much why I'm hesitant to buy 21:
Give up on 20 man. I watched a top player stream today and he quit 2 games in a row to guys flailing because he just kept getting gravity balls down the middle and all of his inputs were outs. The game is mostly a baseball simulation-style game with quirks like check swings and foul tips to help people that don’t regularly hit a fastball never have to worry about off-speed.
Is there skill involved? Yes. But working through all the RNG in the game is stale and unrewarding. It’s not really a fun game to play it’s just extremely frustrating.
I think they know and I think they are going to give the fan base what they want. I don’t see how anyone can have fun playing this game tbh
I agree that tech test custom practice is where the fun is.
I uninstalled it again, for the 3rd time this month. This time I’m not looking back. The same thing that happened to the streamer happened to me today
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I just struggled in back to back games to hit the ball at all. Lost first game 4-2, won 2nd game 3-2. Laser outs everywhere or good pci placement and good timing cans of corn. Opponent strikes out 10-15 times, to my 4 or 5. I’ve been playing on my secondary account so I don’t get so frustrated with all the RNG, but it’s still so mind boggling. I’m hitting .350 online and my two opponents are hitting .240 and .205 online. It’s just insane to me that SDS has never addressed this obvious and often brought up issue. We simply want transparency, because the constant random nonsense in this game online is just sad.
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I agree with your transparency statement. Either tell us your making an arcade game or a realistic game. That’s where people get frustrated because they think they are buying one thing, and get another.
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@sean_87__psn said in So this is pretty much why I'm hesitant to buy 21:
I agree with your transparency statement. Either tell us your making an arcade game or a realistic game. That’s where people get frustrated because they think they are buying one thing, and get another.
The game will never be realistic. Anyone who believes they are buying realism when they have Jackie Robinson at second, Mike trout in left, Mickey mantle in center, Christian Yelich mvp season (not actual Christian Yelich) in right etc. is fooling themselves. It’s a video game. Not a baseball simulation.
They tried simulating over the years or implementing it - it’s been a huge part the biggest issue with the gameplay.
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Some games you will lose no matter what you do. You can see it happening to people that stream the game. Out of no where your exit velo is total garbage, your throwing meatballs or just poor contact results.
When I get those games I just quit. Not gonna play it for an hour to only get pissed off when I lose, I was gonna lose anyways. Same thing with pitchers like Mathewson with that hour long wind up. I’ll quit before the game starts, you can have the win
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@a_perfectgame said in So this is pretty much why I'm hesitant to buy 21:
@crimson_monk said in So this is pretty much why I'm hesitant to buy 21:
Yeha game is trash. Last night I had a game I lost when I out hit the dude but he has coors and managed to hit 5 solo wall scrapers bc he was [censored] at hitting. All of them where forced hangers. ( doesn’t include the other 4-5 he whiffed on) pitching accuracy is trash and it caters to noobs that get lucky bombs on hung pitches
This exactly. 20 caters to people that cannot be patient and swing at every pitch. I’ve been patient worked counts and then lined out on 3-2 where my opponent swings at every pitch maybe check swings a ball or 2 then gets a meatball on a perfect meter directly down the middle. It doesn’t happen “sometimes” it’s the way the game actually plays
Yep. Swing swing swing .... hanger and repeat. The part that ticks me off the most is that they likely never score without those. I didn’t even mention the 4-5 warming track shots I hit with 100 plus power guys AT COORS!
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@gohardgrandpa said in So this is pretty much why I'm hesitant to buy 21:
Some games you will lose no matter what you do. You can see it happening to people that stream the game. Out of no where your exit velo is total garbage, your throwing meatballs or just poor contact results.
When I get those games I just quit. Not gonna play it for an hour to only get pissed off when I lose, I was gonna lose anyways. Same thing with pitchers like Mathewson with that hour long wind up. I’ll quit before the game starts, you can have the win
Haha truth. I stuck around sometimes but eventually it makes me quit too
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Interesting, before it was the game catered to people that just waited for the "inevitable hanger" now it's the game rewards guys who swing at everything, crazy how people change their thoughts
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@the_canuckler said in So this is pretty much why I'm hesitant to buy 21:
Interesting, before it was the game catered to people that just waited for the "inevitable hanger" now it's the game rewards guys who swing at everything, crazy how people change their thoughts
There’s a few different types of gameplay that work and shouldnt.
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You have players that will only swing middle. And wait for a hanger. This strategy is more skillful - yes because technically that’s something you look for is swings over the plate and if I miss which I have. I’m good with it but when I don’t miss. And the game misses for me. It’s annoying. But you could argue that this strategy could be successful for actual misses and you’d be right.
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There are players that also swing at every single pitch and are very successful at it. I’ve never seen so many 800+ players swing early several times a game and foul balls off with the back of their bat sitting fastball. And just never take a pitch. They get pitches. This is the strategy that should never ever work imo.
You are literally one of the very few players that defend a skill set in this game. I’ve seen very high level top players losing in 5-600 big names. Top 50 guys. I’ve watched it in streams. So. Maybe you are just the best player on earth but guys in the 1100 rating losing on 500-600 rating several times in a row. Seems strange
And most of them say the game is totally random. Moviegaming is one of them. I watched him lose 3 games in a row on 600 to a guys That had negative all time records
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@a_perfectgame said in So this is pretty much why I'm hesitant to buy 21:
@the_canuckler said in So this is pretty much why I'm hesitant to buy 21:
Interesting, before it was the game catered to people that just waited for the "inevitable hanger" now it's the game rewards guys who swing at everything, crazy how people change their thoughts
There’s a few different types of gameplay that work and shouldnt.
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You have players that will only swing middle. And wait for a hanger. This strategy is more skillful - yes because technically that’s something you look for is swings over the plate and if I miss which I have. I’m good with it but when I don’t miss. And the game misses for me. It’s annoying. But you could argue that this strategy could be successful for actual misses and you’d be right.
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There are players that also swing at every single pitch and are very successful at it. I’ve never seen so many 800+ players swing early several times a game and foul balls off with the back of their bat sitting fastball. And just never take a pitch. They get pitches. This is the strategy that should never ever work imo.
You are literally one of the very few players that defend a skill set in this game. I’ve seen very high level top players losing in 5-600 big names. Top 50 guys. I’ve watched it in streams. So. Maybe you are just the best player on earth but guys in the 1100 rating losing on 500-600 rating several times in a row. Seems strange
And most of them say the game is totally random. Moviegaming is one of them. I watched him lose 3 games in a row on 600 to a guys That had negative all time records
Bro. You check DM at all? Heh. It's that little Icon in the top right of the screen with 3 bars.
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been playing in a mlb 17 lg. pitching is a whole other ballgame. you actually have to have a good eye to hit and you can't just sit on hangers all game or foul off waste pitches all game because it will force weak hit balls into play.
so to me the problem isn't hitting per se but pitching in 20 is what allows impatient hitters to thrive . in 17 you can force easy outs because you can consistently hit the black and it forces the user to decide whether to put the ball in play or not. you can put impatient hitters away in 3 pitches per inning cause they swing at everything but the truly skilled player will mash pitches on the black more frequently. I consider myself a pretty bad at placing the PCI but one thing I am very good at is recognizing balls and strikes around the black and knowing strikes and balls within cm but in 20 that's not really that important since your pitching is going to decide the outcome which is pretty much RANDOM.
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Yeah, I really enjoyed pitching in ‘17. I fondly remember being able to locate accurately with good input and being able to actually execute a plan to force a hitter to ground the ball to the left side of the infield into your double play setup. Sadly, that’s not been a thing in MLB the Show for a few years. As for ‘21, I’m not buying it this year at all. I used to be a huge fan of this franchise, but ‘20 was the absolute pits in terms of gameplay and pretty much killed what little faith I’d regained in SDS after they vastly improved ‘19 from the dumpster fire of ‘18. I still check the forum or look on google to see what new legends and features have been revealed, but I’m not watching the twitch streams, or considering buying the game. The chances of SDS getting the game working right on next gen at the first time of asking, plus going multi platform for the first time are so slim as to be practically nonexistent based on what they achieved given years of experience developing for PS4.
It’s not even particularly that they can’t make a decent game. They made a clear choice to step away from making a quality product when they were on the cusp of becoming a contender for competitive esports and instead opted to cater Diamond Dynasty to children who like to simply pound buttons and hit lots of home runs with a roster full of (unrealistic and undeserving) 99/125 everything cards. It’s all just too stupid and while I found it extremely difficult to have any success in ‘20, I rarely felt as though it was a result of being outplayed or overmatched in relation to my skill or baseball strategy, more a case of the game randomly and arbitrarily producing results that didn’t correlate to input. Either way, I can’t remember having a more miserable baseball experience than I had with ‘18 and ‘20, even back playing RBI Baseball on the Sega Genesis and writing down my own stats with a pen and paper.
There’s nothing fun or rewarding for me about pitching to an ERA well above 5.00 or 6.00 with your entire rotation while playing 18-15 games at Shippet with each team hitting 14 home runs. I don’t have any faith in this product at all anymore, there’s been a clear pattern of regression for years. SDS don’t listen to the players, instead doing whatever they feel will be for the best and then wasting valuable time and resources attempting to hide this fact behind things like new swing feedback. Which they inevitably botch anyway. I just can’t keep buying and bitching, so I’m taking at least one year away from the game. I’ll see how I feel in a years time.
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@the_fools_sip_psn said in So this is pretty much why I'm hesitant to buy 21:
been playing in a mlb 17 lg. pitching is a whole other ballgame. you actually have to have a good eye to hit and you can't just sit on hangers all game or foul off waste pitches all game because it will force weak hit balls into play.
so to me the problem isn't hitting per se but pitching in 20 is what allows impatient hitters to thrive . in 17 you can force easy outs because you can consistently hit the black and it forces the user to decide whether to put the ball in play or not. you can put impatient hitters away in 3 pitches per inning cause they swing at everything but the truly skilled player will mash pitches on the black more frequently. I consider myself a pretty bad at placing the PCI but one thing I am very good at is recognizing balls and strikes around the black and knowing strikes and balls within cm but in 20 that's not really that important since your pitching is going to decide the outcome which is pretty much RANDOM.
EXACTLY!!! I 100% agree with this.
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@comebacklogic said in So this is pretty much why I'm hesitant to buy 21:
Yeah, I really enjoyed pitching in ‘17. I fondly remember being able to locate accurately with good input and being able to actually execute a plan to force a hitter to ground the ball to the left side of the infield into your double play setup. Sadly, that’s not been a thing in MLB the Show for a few years. As for ‘21, I’m not buying it this year at all. I used to be a huge fan of this franchise, but ‘20 was the absolute pits in terms of gameplay and pretty much killed what little faith I’d regained in SDS after they vastly improved ‘19 from the dumpster fire of ‘18. I still check the forum or look on google to see what new legends and features have been revealed, but I’m not watching the twitch streams, or considering buying the game. The chances of SDS getting the game working right on next gen at the first time of asking, plus going multi platform for the first time are so slim as to be practically nonexistent based on what they achieved given years of experience developing for PS4.
It’s not even particularly that they can’t make a decent game. They made a clear choice to step away from making a quality product when they were on the cusp of becoming a contender for competitive esports and instead opted to cater Diamond Dynasty to children who like to simply pound buttons and hit lots of home runs with a roster full of (unrealistic and undeserving) 99/125 everything cards. It’s all just too stupid and while I found it extremely difficult to have any success in ‘20, I rarely felt as though it was a result of being outplayed or overmatched in relation to my skill or baseball strategy, more a case of the game randomly and arbitrarily producing results that didn’t correlate to input. Either way, I can’t remember having a more miserable baseball experience than I had with ‘18 and ‘20, even back playing RBI Baseball on the Sega Genesis and writing down my own stats with a pen and paper.
There’s nothing fun or rewarding for me about pitching to an ERA well above 5.00 or 6.00 with your entire rotation while playing 18-15 games at Shippet with each team hitting 14 home runs. I don’t have any faith in this product at all anymore, there’s been a clear pattern of regression for years. SDS don’t listen to the players, instead doing whatever they feel will be for the best and then wasting valuable time and resources attempting to hide this fact behind things like new swing feedback. Which they inevitably botch anyway. I just can’t keep buying and bitching, so I’m taking at least one year away from the game. I’ll see how I feel in a years time.
Very respectable take
