The Cleveland Baseball Team....
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@mjfc_363 said in The Cleveland Baseball Team....:
@ChuckCLC said in The Cleveland Baseball Team....:
@mjfc_363 said in The Cleveland Baseball Team....:
Unfortunately we have a country full of over sensitive p*ssies!! When this country gets over run......and it will happen (either a coup or the old fashioned way), maybe they will stop when we tell them they’re offending us.
I agree almost always. But this name should have never happened. I mean, WTH man. Europeans get to the USA and find out immediately that it isnt India like they thought. But hundreds of years later still call them Indians. Makes no sense. How stupid were someone to call a team Indians and give them Native American logos. Redskins at least had some factuality about it. Indians is just plane wrong. And embarrassing. Hate to know I came from people that still call Native Americans Indians after all these centuries.
I don’t disagree with you’re premise. All this land was stolen 100%!!! Heck, if the natives could’ve taken a TO and stopped fighting each other, they would’ve kicked the white mans a** back to Europe and none of us would even be here. I just don’t see the fuss in raising this much Cain over the name of GD baseball team.
Well I do disagree with that point lol. Land has changed hand over and over ,over time. Yes the European's took this land, but that is just the way it goes. That is pointless to the name "Indian" though. There were never Indians on this land was my point. So why name a baseball team that and then give them a logo for some other group of people. There were other people on this land before the people we know as natives were here. Land changing went on and will continue to go on forever. Just if you want to honor the ones here before dont call them a Nationality of people on the other side of the World.
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@ChuckCLC said in The Cleveland Baseball Team....:
@mjfc_363 said in The Cleveland Baseball Team....:
@ChuckCLC said in The Cleveland Baseball Team....:
@mjfc_363 said in The Cleveland Baseball Team....:
Unfortunately we have a country full of over sensitive p*ssies!! When this country gets over run......and it will happen (either a coup or the old fashioned way), maybe they will stop when we tell them they’re offending us.
I agree almost always. But this name should have never happened. I mean, WTH man. Europeans get to the USA and find out immediately that it isnt India like they thought. But hundreds of years later still call them Indians. Makes no sense. How stupid were someone to call a team Indians and give them Native American logos. Redskins at least had some factuality about it. Indians is just plane wrong. And embarrassing. Hate to know I came from people that still call Native Americans Indians after all these centuries.
I don’t disagree with you’re premise. All this land was stolen 100%!!! Heck, if the natives could’ve taken a TO and stopped fighting each other, they would’ve kicked the white mans a** back to Europe and none of us would even be here. I just don’t see the fuss in raising this much Cain over the name of GD baseball team.
Well I do disagree with that point lol. Land has changed hand over and over ,over time. Yes the European's took this land, but that is just the way it goes. That is pointless to the name "Indian" though. There were never Indians on this land was my point. So why name a baseball team that and then give them a logo for some other group of people. There were other people on this land before the people we know as natives were here. Land changing went on and will continue to go on forever. Just if you want to honor the ones here before dont call them a Nationality of people on the other side of the World.
I see what you’re getting at! Cuyahoga Chiefs it is then!
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@bostondirtdog21 said in The Cleveland Baseball Team....:
Someone on twitter suggested “Tribe”. That’s my vote.
The owner ruled out "Tribe". He said, and I am paraphrasing, "if we move away from something like Indians, we won't stop short at Tribe, which is closely related to what we had before."
Sadly Tribe won't be the next name for them.
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Changing a name because you've realized that it just isn't a good look anymore and puts out the wrong image or comes across as racist isn't being a [censored] its called learning and growing.
This is also not an example of cancel culture, this is the owner deciding to change the name. I agree with everyone that cancel culture is stupid, it should be accountability not cancel. Its ok to call people out on things they've done wrong in the past but they need to be given the chance to show how they've grown and show they don't have those views anymore. If they are still an ignorant [censored] then yah, get rid of em but if people show growth then it is just wrong to cancel them for something long in the past.
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@Jeviduty said in The Cleveland Baseball Team....:
As a die hard/ life long indians I mean Cleveland fan...I'm just looking forward to moving on and finally not having to hear about this. Sick of it.
I’m a Dodgers fan, but I’ve always been a fan of the Chief Wahoo logo.
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@TheGoaler said in The Cleveland Baseball Team....:
.....just seems weird. The new name should be revealed this week.
I hate the name change. It just doesn’t feel right to have the team be called the same thing for a hundred years or so and then suddenly have it called something else.
My main qualm is that this decision is being made for the Native Americans. Historically, they’ve constantly had decisions made for them by anyone other than themselves (not going to go into a history lecture but hopefully you get what I’m referring to). Honestly, if I were a Native American, I would feel offended if something was changed “for my sake” without my opinion whatsoever, and I would especially be tired of others feeling sorry for me. The Navajo were interviewed about whether or not they found the Washington football team’s name & mascot offensive, and a lot of them actually thought it was a cool celebration and admiration of their culture.
I think it should be like this: Leave it up to Native Americans to decide whether they want these team names changed or not.
Nuff said.
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@Kovz88 said in The Cleveland Baseball Team....:
Changing a name because you've realized that it just isn't a good look anymore and puts out the wrong image or comes across as racist isn't being a [censored] its called learning and growing.
This is also not an example of cancel culture, this is the owner deciding to change the name. I agree with everyone that cancel culture is stupid, it should be accountability not cancel. Its ok to call people out on things they've done wrong in the past but they need to be given the chance to show how they've grown and show they don't have those views anymore. If they are still an ignorant [censored] then yah, get rid of em but if people show growth then it is just wrong to cancel them for something long in the past.
Spot on. Thank you for writing this.
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@The_DoctorsWife said in The Cleveland Baseball Team....:
@TheGoaler said in The Cleveland Baseball Team....:
.....just seems weird. The new name should be revealed this week.
I hate the name change. It just doesn’t feel right to have the team be called the same thing for a hundred years or so and then suddenly have it called something else.
My main qualm is that this decision is being made for the Native Americans. Historically, they’ve constantly had decisions made for them by anyone other than themselves (not going to go into a history lecture but hopefully you get what I’m referring to). Honestly, if I were a Native American, I would feel offended if something was changed “for my sake” without my opinion whatsoever, and I would especially be tired of others feeling sorry for me. The Navajo were interviewed about whether or not they found the Washington football team’s name & mascot offensive, and a lot of them actually thought it was a cool celebration and admiration of their culture.
I think it should be like this: Leave it up to Native Americans to decide whether they want these team names changed or not.
Nuff said.
There have also been protests by Native American people almost every year against the Redskins name and a lot of times people spoke out against it. Washington's team owner is just a raging douche. Some may not find it offensive but enough do that it should be changed. I haven't done research as far as the Indians name but im sure its the same.
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@The_DoctorsWife said in The Cleveland Baseball Team....:
@TheGoaler said in The Cleveland Baseball Team....:
.....just seems weird. The new name should be revealed this week.
I hate the name change. It just doesn’t feel right to have the team be called the same thing for a hundred years or so and then suddenly have it called something else.
My main qualm is that this decision is being made for the Native Americans. Historically, they’ve constantly had decisions made for them by anyone other than themselves (not going to go into a history lecture but hopefully you get what I’m referring to). Honestly, if I were a Native American, I would feel offended if something was changed “for my sake” without my opinion whatsoever, and I would especially be tired of others feeling sorry for me. The Navajo were interviewed about whether or not they found the Washington football team’s name & mascot offensive, and a lot of them actually thought it was a cool celebration and admiration of their culture.
I think it should be like this: Leave it up to Native Americans to decide whether they want these team names changed or not.
Nuff said.
I would recommend checking out the owner's statement on this because he does refer to some of the items you point out. He says that they have been talking with tons of Native American groups and organization, especially in the Ohio area, about the name and their opinion on it. In the end I think you would agree with the name change based on your comments regarding the situation, due to the Native American organizations preferring a name change be made.
And I am not trying to imply that you do, or do not, agree with the name change. Just wanted to add to your opinion and hopefully others agree with you and will look into the research they have done as well.
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@Kuhlkilla said in The Cleveland Baseball Team....:
@The_DoctorsWife said in The Cleveland Baseball Team....:
@TheGoaler said in The Cleveland Baseball Team....:
.....just seems weird. The new name should be revealed this week.
I hate the name change. It just doesn’t feel right to have the team be called the same thing for a hundred years or so and then suddenly have it called something else.
My main qualm is that this decision is being made for the Native Americans. Historically, they’ve constantly had decisions made for them by anyone other than themselves (not going to go into a history lecture but hopefully you get what I’m referring to). Honestly, if I were a Native American, I would feel offended if something was changed “for my sake” without my opinion whatsoever, and I would especially be tired of others feeling sorry for me. The Navajo were interviewed about whether or not they found the Washington football team’s name & mascot offensive, and a lot of them actually thought it was a cool celebration and admiration of their culture.
I think it should be like this: Leave it up to Native Americans to decide whether they want these team names changed or not.
Nuff said.
I would recommend checking out the owner's statement on this because he does refer to some of the items you point out. He says that they have been talking with tons of Native American groups and organization, especially in the Ohio area, about the name and their opinion on it. In the end I think you would agree with the name change based on your comments regarding the situation, due to the Native American organizations preferring a name change be made.
And I am not trying to imply that you do, or do not, agree with the name change. Just wanted to add to your opinion and hopefully others agree with you and will look into the research they have done as well.
I do agree that the Washington owner is a piece of garbage, he can’t clean up his disaster of a team. Just a disgrace to football imo.
The Chief Wahoo logo being offensive, that I can understand, and I’m fine with that being gone. But I just think changing the Cleveland name entirely might be going too far. Is there a possible team name that might be Native American-inspired, but still respects that heritage (and something that Native Americans would approve of)?
I just don’t like the idea of changing the name based on a revisionist history standpoint. This may be going off on a tangent or something, but I think that covering up the past (whether it be team names or actual history) because of its alleged offensiveness can be harmful if it’s done too much or in the wrong way. I just think it’s something that everyone should be aware and careful of.
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@The_DoctorsWife said in The Cleveland Baseball Team....:
@Kuhlkilla said in The Cleveland Baseball Team....:
@The_DoctorsWife said in The Cleveland Baseball Team....:
@TheGoaler said in The Cleveland Baseball Team....:
.....just seems weird. The new name should be revealed this week.
I hate the name change. It just doesn’t feel right to have the team be called the same thing for a hundred years or so and then suddenly have it called something else.
My main qualm is that this decision is being made for the Native Americans. Historically, they’ve constantly had decisions made for them by anyone other than themselves (not going to go into a history lecture but hopefully you get what I’m referring to). Honestly, if I were a Native American, I would feel offended if something was changed “for my sake” without my opinion whatsoever, and I would especially be tired of others feeling sorry for me. The Navajo were interviewed about whether or not they found the Washington football team’s name & mascot offensive, and a lot of them actually thought it was a cool celebration and admiration of their culture.
I think it should be like this: Leave it up to Native Americans to decide whether they want these team names changed or not.
Nuff said.
I would recommend checking out the owner's statement on this because he does refer to some of the items you point out. He says that they have been talking with tons of Native American groups and organization, especially in the Ohio area, about the name and their opinion on it. In the end I think you would agree with the name change based on your comments regarding the situation, due to the Native American organizations preferring a name change be made.
And I am not trying to imply that you do, or do not, agree with the name change. Just wanted to add to your opinion and hopefully others agree with you and will look into the research they have done as well.
I do agree that the Washington owner is a piece of garbage, he can’t clean up his disaster of a team. Just a disgrace to football imo.
The Chief Wahoo logo being offensive, that I can understand, and I’m fine with that being gone. But I just think changing the Cleveland name entirely might be going too far. Is there a possible team name that might be Native American-inspired, but still respects that heritage (and something that Native Americans would approve of)?
I just don’t like the idea of changing the name based on a revisionist history standpoint. This may be going off on a tangent or something, but I think that covering up the past (whether it be team names or actual history) because of its alleged offensiveness can be harmful if it’s done too much or in the wrong way. I just think it’s something that everyone should be aware and careful of.
We don't need a racist team name to remind us of Native Americans.
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@The_DoctorsWife said in The Cleveland Baseball Team....:
@Kuhlkilla said in The Cleveland Baseball Team....:
@The_DoctorsWife said in The Cleveland Baseball Team....:
@TheGoaler said in The Cleveland Baseball Team....:
.....just seems weird. The new name should be revealed this week.
I hate the name change. It just doesn’t feel right to have the team be called the same thing for a hundred years or so and then suddenly have it called something else.
My main qualm is that this decision is being made for the Native Americans. Historically, they’ve constantly had decisions made for them by anyone other than themselves (not going to go into a history lecture but hopefully you get what I’m referring to). Honestly, if I were a Native American, I would feel offended if something was changed “for my sake” without my opinion whatsoever, and I would especially be tired of others feeling sorry for me. The Navajo were interviewed about whether or not they found the Washington football team’s name & mascot offensive, and a lot of them actually thought it was a cool celebration and admiration of their culture.
I think it should be like this: Leave it up to Native Americans to decide whether they want these team names changed or not.
Nuff said.
I would recommend checking out the owner's statement on this because he does refer to some of the items you point out. He says that they have been talking with tons of Native American groups and organization, especially in the Ohio area, about the name and their opinion on it. In the end I think you would agree with the name change based on your comments regarding the situation, due to the Native American organizations preferring a name change be made.
And I am not trying to imply that you do, or do not, agree with the name change. Just wanted to add to your opinion and hopefully others agree with you and will look into the research they have done as well.
I do agree that the Washington owner is a piece of garbage, he can’t clean up his disaster of a team. Just a disgrace to football imo.
The Chief Wahoo logo being offensive, that I can understand, and I’m fine with that being gone. But I just think changing the Cleveland name entirely might be going too far. Is there a possible team name that might be Native American-inspired, but still respects that heritage (and something that Native Americans would approve of)?
I just don’t like the idea of changing the name based on a revisionist history standpoint. This may be going off on a tangent or something, but I think that covering up the past (whether it be team names or actual history) because of its alleged offensiveness can be harmful if it’s done too much or in the wrong way. I just think it’s something that everyone should be aware and careful of.
Landmark changes throughout history have been seen as “going too far” until decades later when that society understands the value of that change.
Emancipation - was seen as radical at that time. Women voting - was seen as radical at that time. Ending segregation - was seen as radical at that time. While slavery and suffrage were changed, it is still very much recognized in history and teaches important lessons.
Making changes does not revise history; it makes history.
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@The_DoctorsWife said in The Cleveland Baseball Team....:
Is there a possible team name that might be Native American-inspired, but still respects that heritage (and something that Native Americans would approve of)?
There are plenty out there already. Braves, Chiefs, Seminoles ect. But calling them a nationality on the other side of the Planet just because we were stupid enough to call them that in the first place is pretty absurd. The only thing worse is taking 100 hundred years to figure out maybe you shouldnt call a sports team by a name that is factually not even close. Just because some idiots call you Indians for hundreds of years doesnt mean you are Indian. It means those people are dumb.
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The Chicago Blackhawks work with Native American tribes to help educate the public. It can be done and IS done!!
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@ChuckCLC said in The Cleveland Baseball Team....:
@The_DoctorsWife said in The Cleveland Baseball Team....:
Is there a possible team name that might be Native American-inspired, but still respects that heritage (and something that Native Americans would approve of)?
There are plenty out there already. Braves, Chiefs, Seminoles ect. But calling them a nationality on the other side of the Planet just because we were stupid enough to call them that in the first place is pretty absurd. The only thing worse is taking 100 hundred years to figure out maybe you shouldnt call a sports team by a name that is factually not even close. Just because some idiots call you Indians for hundreds of years doesnt mean you are Indian. It means those people are dumb.
I think Columbus is to blame for that longtime misconception. He thought he was in India when he landed in the Bahamas, so he called them Indians. It’s unfortunate that it stuck.
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@TheGoaler said in The Cleveland Baseball Team....:
'Rockers' sounds cool, until your pitchers get rocked!
John Rocker agrees.
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@Kuhlkilla said in The Cleveland Baseball Team....:
@bostondirtdog21 said in The Cleveland Baseball Team....:
Someone on twitter suggested “Tribe”. That’s my vote.
The owner ruled out "Tribe". He said, and I am paraphrasing, "if we move away from something like Indians, we won't stop short at Tribe, which is closely related to what we had before."
Sadly Tribe won't be the next name for them.
Exactly Tribe doesn't "change" anything.
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How about the Cleveland Jobus?
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The thing I never understand is all the time companies and other things change names and style and everything but its only when racist symbols get changed that people seem to get upset.
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@mjfc_363 said in The Cleveland Baseball Team....:
The Chicago Blackhawks work with Native American tribes to help educate the public. It can be done and IS done!!
Bingo. The ACC Network did a great show about how the Seminole nation is honored to have FSU represent them and use their name.
Being racist is egregious but so is a group of people telling another group of people what is best for them or that their way is better.
