Too many 99s
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@ComebackLogic said in Too many 99s:
@eatyum said in Too many 99s:
@DoIHearBossMusic said in Too many 99s:
@Thierry007007 said in Too many 99s:
@DoIHearBossMusic said in Too many 99s:
I'm ok with actual legends getting 99s, but agree about guys with a few good days getting cards better than Babe, Musial, Mays, etc.
I know it's fictional but it really waters down the elite cards
I think current day players should have a 95, 96 overall cap. Legends and past players should be the only ones with 99 overall cards. Always respect the elders.
I agree, There should only be a handful of 99s like Griffey, Mantle, Mays, Babe, Gibson, etc. Not like the 93-97 cards aren't playable
They did that in 2018 and lineup diversity was non existent. That kind of thought is nice to think about, but its not practical.
That was for other reasons as well. The content delivery model was terrible, there were long periods in the middle of the game cycle with no gameplay adjustments or content, contact hitters were not viable and I don’t mean like this year where power is king, I mean they could not hit it past the infield, the stat accumulation grinds were too long and boring and outside of the handful of immortals there were very few useable, let alone elite, options. As I described earlier, that doesn’t have to be the case in order to make a card like Griffey or Mays stand out from a single game flashback from 2020.
Yes there were other reasons 18 sucked and contributed to less lineup variety, but one of the biggest was the lack of 99's. People are going to gravitate towards the higher rates cards, that's just how it works. So if 99 is reserved for a handful, you will basically only see those in ranked
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@eatyum said in Too many 99s:
@ComebackLogic said in Too many 99s:
@eatyum said in Too many 99s:
@DoIHearBossMusic said in Too many 99s:
@Thierry007007 said in Too many 99s:
@DoIHearBossMusic said in Too many 99s:
I'm ok with actual legends getting 99s, but agree about guys with a few good days getting cards better than Babe, Musial, Mays, etc.
I know it's fictional but it really waters down the elite cards
I think current day players should have a 95, 96 overall cap. Legends and past players should be the only ones with 99 overall cards. Always respect the elders.
I agree, There should only be a handful of 99s like Griffey, Mantle, Mays, Babe, Gibson, etc. Not like the 93-97 cards aren't playable
They did that in 2018 and lineup diversity was non existent. That kind of thought is nice to think about, but its not practical.
That was for other reasons as well. The content delivery model was terrible, there were long periods in the middle of the game cycle with no gameplay adjustments or content, contact hitters were not viable and I don’t mean like this year where power is king, I mean they could not hit it past the infield, the stat accumulation grinds were too long and boring and outside of the handful of immortals there were very few useable, let alone elite, options. As I described earlier, that doesn’t have to be the case in order to make a card like Griffey or Mays stand out from a single game flashback from 2020.
Yes there were other reasons 18 sucked and contributed to less lineup variety, but one of the biggest was the lack of 99's. People are going to gravitate towards the higher rates cards, that's just how it works. So if 99 is reserved for a handful, you will basically only see those in ranked
It doesn’t need to be reserved for a handful of cards like ‘18. That’s going from the current extreme where even a mediocre player like Santander or Stallings is automatically given a 99 on the basis of cards needing to be 99s or merely being registered as an MLB player on a team that lacks depth, to yet another extreme.
There are multiple players that deserve 99s at every position. The Nolan Ryan, Griffey Jr and Willie Mays type of guys definitely do. Some modern flashbacks I can live with being 99s also. HW Harper for his MVP in ‘15, Mookie in ‘18 or a SS Sale, Verlander or Kershaw spring to mind as deserving of a 99 overall flashback card. I’ve no real issue with Randy Arozarena getting a 99 for his historic postseason, or Seaver getting a 99 overall WS MVP card either. Then, as you get to the end of the year, by all means juice up the Finest a little to make them stand out, because by this time there’s a lot of end game cards at each position out there. People are mostly left playing for fun after the season has ended and only juiced 99s will crack their squad of elite and personal favourite players.
This year, the finest aren’t the finest at all. In fact there are already finer options available for free or pennies in the marketplace and have been for a long time. Hence the finest are mostly relegated to insignificance before they’ve even been released. I’m not saying don’t have various options that promote line up diversity, but content hasn’t been executed anywhere near as well as last year this time around and one of the primary factors is the sheer number of overpowered cards that are available.
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@ComebackLogic said in Too many 99s:
@eatyum said in Too many 99s:
@ComebackLogic said in Too many 99s:
@eatyum said in Too many 99s:
@DoIHearBossMusic said in Too many 99s:
@Thierry007007 said in Too many 99s:
@DoIHearBossMusic said in Too many 99s:
I'm ok with actual legends getting 99s, but agree about guys with a few good days getting cards better than Babe, Musial, Mays, etc.
I know it's fictional but it really waters down the elite cards
I think current day players should have a 95, 96 overall cap. Legends and past players should be the only ones with 99 overall cards. Always respect the elders.
I agree, There should only be a handful of 99s like Griffey, Mantle, Mays, Babe, Gibson, etc. Not like the 93-97 cards aren't playable
They did that in 2018 and lineup diversity was non existent. That kind of thought is nice to think about, but its not practical.
That was for other reasons as well. The content delivery model was terrible, there were long periods in the middle of the game cycle with no gameplay adjustments or content, contact hitters were not viable and I don’t mean like this year where power is king, I mean they could not hit it past the infield, the stat accumulation grinds were too long and boring and outside of the handful of immortals there were very few useable, let alone elite, options. As I described earlier, that doesn’t have to be the case in order to make a card like Griffey or Mays stand out from a single game flashback from 2020.
Yes there were other reasons 18 sucked and contributed to less lineup variety, but one of the biggest was the lack of 99's. People are going to gravitate towards the higher rates cards, that's just how it works. So if 99 is reserved for a handful, you will basically only see those in ranked
It doesn’t need to be reserved for a handful of cards like ‘18. That’s going from the current extreme where even a mediocre player like Santander or Stallings is automatically given a 99 on the basis of cards needing to be 99s or merely being registered as an MLB player on a team that lacks depth, to yet another extreme.
There are multiple players that deserve 99s at every position. The Nolan Ryan, Griffey Jr and Willie Mays type of guys definitely do. Some modern flashbacks I can live with being 99s also. HW Harper for his MVP in ‘15, Mookie in ‘18 or a SS Sale, Verlander or Kershaw spring to mind as deserving of a 99 overall flashback card. I’ve no real issue with Randy Arozarena getting a 99 for his historic postseason, or Seaver getting a 99 overall WS MVP card either. Then, as you get to the end of the year, by all means juice up the Finest a little to make them stand out, because by this time there’s a lot of end game cards at each position out there. People are mostly left playing for fun after the season has ended and only juiced 99s will crack their squad of elite and personal favourite players.
This year, the finest aren’t the finest at all. In fact there are already finer options available for free or pennies in the marketplace and have been for a long time. Hence the finest are mostly relegated to insignificance before they’ve even been released. I’m not saying don’t have various options that promote line up diversity, but content hasn’t been executed anywhere near as well as last year this time around and one of the primary factors is the sheer number of overpowered cards that are available.
They are saving the actual finest for packs and event rewards and these are the equivalent to the fan vote cards. Guaranteed. Freeman is the only one that could have been a finest select as they were called last year and they are just likely giving the 1B finest to Abreu. You can make all the argument for juiced ratings on guys like santander you want but that is an issue of it should have been iglesias instead
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@MikeForbes101 said in Too many 99s:
It is November. Let people have some fun and some options instead of needing to run the generic Mantle/Trout/Walker outfield in order to compete.
Agreed
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@the_dragon1912 said in Too many 99s:
@ComebackLogic said in Too many 99s:
@eatyum said in Too many 99s:
@ComebackLogic said in Too many 99s:
@eatyum said in Too many 99s:
@DoIHearBossMusic said in Too many 99s:
@Thierry007007 said in Too many 99s:
@DoIHearBossMusic said in Too many 99s:
I'm ok with actual legends getting 99s, but agree about guys with a few good days getting cards better than Babe, Musial, Mays, etc.
I know it's fictional but it really waters down the elite cards
I think current day players should have a 95, 96 overall cap. Legends and past players should be the only ones with 99 overall cards. Always respect the elders.
I agree, There should only be a handful of 99s like Griffey, Mantle, Mays, Babe, Gibson, etc. Not like the 93-97 cards aren't playable
They did that in 2018 and lineup diversity was non existent. That kind of thought is nice to think about, but its not practical.
That was for other reasons as well. The content delivery model was terrible, there were long periods in the middle of the game cycle with no gameplay adjustments or content, contact hitters were not viable and I don’t mean like this year where power is king, I mean they could not hit it past the infield, the stat accumulation grinds were too long and boring and outside of the handful of immortals there were very few useable, let alone elite, options. As I described earlier, that doesn’t have to be the case in order to make a card like Griffey or Mays stand out from a single game flashback from 2020.
Yes there were other reasons 18 sucked and contributed to less lineup variety, but one of the biggest was the lack of 99's. People are going to gravitate towards the higher rates cards, that's just how it works. So if 99 is reserved for a handful, you will basically only see those in ranked
It doesn’t need to be reserved for a handful of cards like ‘18. That’s going from the current extreme where even a mediocre player like Santander or Stallings is automatically given a 99 on the basis of cards needing to be 99s or merely being registered as an MLB player on a team that lacks depth, to yet another extreme.
There are multiple players that deserve 99s at every position. The Nolan Ryan, Griffey Jr and Willie Mays type of guys definitely do. Some modern flashbacks I can live with being 99s also. HW Harper for his MVP in ‘15, Mookie in ‘18 or a SS Sale, Verlander or Kershaw spring to mind as deserving of a 99 overall flashback card. I’ve no real issue with Randy Arozarena getting a 99 for his historic postseason, or Seaver getting a 99 overall WS MVP card either. Then, as you get to the end of the year, by all means juice up the Finest a little to make them stand out, because by this time there’s a lot of end game cards at each position out there. People are mostly left playing for fun after the season has ended and only juiced 99s will crack their squad of elite and personal favourite players.
This year, the finest aren’t the finest at all. In fact there are already finer options available for free or pennies in the marketplace and have been for a long time. Hence the finest are mostly relegated to insignificance before they’ve even been released. I’m not saying don’t have various options that promote line up diversity, but content hasn’t been executed anywhere near as well as last year this time around and one of the primary factors is the sheer number of overpowered cards that are available.
They are saving the actual finest for packs and event rewards and these are the equivalent to the fan vote cards. Guaranteed. Freeman is the only one that could have been a finest select as they were called last year and they are just likely giving the 1B finest to Abreu. You can make all the argument for juiced ratings on guys like santander you want but that is an issue of it should have been iglesias instead
Right. But how will they be any “finer” than the existing options? Everyone already has multiple options with stats above 110, so what’s so good about the latest round of juiced flashbacks that wasn’t about the last bunch, or the one before it?
Why can’t I then have an all 125/99 Griffey? Because according to SDS, he never did enough to warrant a card like that in game. Nonetheless, I feel like he was a better player than most of the cards that have been created with better stats and I want him to stand out or at least be equally good. Let’s give every card maxed out stats in every category from day one and just let us fill in the name. Then SDS can generate the card art from the selection they have licensed and we’ll all play on an even playing field. Do away with stubs, micro transactions and earning rewards entirely and just play baseball. That way they can focus on gameplay and not giving juiced cards to rookies who may not even break into the majors long term, while snubbing genuine legends with underwhelming stats on their very best cards that we have to wait until Christmas for anyway.
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My biggest issue is with the topps now, postseason, and now finest cards. Its pretty silly that below average MLB players are getting high diamonds because sds has backed themselves into a corner.
Someone said it earlier, but these finest feel like participation ribbons. It's ok for teams that don't have great players to not get one. The first year was done the best, 10-12 players that had great years got juiced cards
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@formallyforearms said in Too many 99s:
I've already said it but the Finest should be the best of the year. In 18, I used deGrom, Hader, Lindor, Yelich, and Mookie in amongst the immortals. They had seasons that proved worthy of the high ratings they received.
This Fletcher card would be like giving 1993 Jay Bell a 99 with the Pirates. It's just ridiculous. Abreu, Freeman, Bauer, etc. totally fine with giving deserving players a reward. Giving a 99 to someone on every team is the equivalent of a participation trophy.
We have an imposter among us spewing good times of 18.
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@ComebackLogic said in Too many 99s:
@the_dragon1912 said in Too many 99s:
@ComebackLogic said in Too many 99s:
@eatyum said in Too many 99s:
@ComebackLogic said in Too many 99s:
@eatyum said in Too many 99s:
@DoIHearBossMusic said in Too many 99s:
@Thierry007007 said in Too many 99s:
@DoIHearBossMusic said in Too many 99s:
I'm ok with actual legends getting 99s, but agree about guys with a few good days getting cards better than Babe, Musial, Mays, etc.
I know it's fictional but it really waters down the elite cards
I think current day players should have a 95, 96 overall cap. Legends and past players should be the only ones with 99 overall cards. Always respect the elders.
I agree, There should only be a handful of 99s like Griffey, Mantle, Mays, Babe, Gibson, etc. Not like the 93-97 cards aren't playable
They did that in 2018 and lineup diversity was non existent. That kind of thought is nice to think about, but its not practical.
That was for other reasons as well. The content delivery model was terrible, there were long periods in the middle of the game cycle with no gameplay adjustments or content, contact hitters were not viable and I don’t mean like this year where power is king, I mean they could not hit it past the infield, the stat accumulation grinds were too long and boring and outside of the handful of immortals there were very few useable, let alone elite, options. As I described earlier, that doesn’t have to be the case in order to make a card like Griffey or Mays stand out from a single game flashback from 2020.
Yes there were other reasons 18 sucked and contributed to less lineup variety, but one of the biggest was the lack of 99's. People are going to gravitate towards the higher rates cards, that's just how it works. So if 99 is reserved for a handful, you will basically only see those in ranked
It doesn’t need to be reserved for a handful of cards like ‘18. That’s going from the current extreme where even a mediocre player like Santander or Stallings is automatically given a 99 on the basis of cards needing to be 99s or merely being registered as an MLB player on a team that lacks depth, to yet another extreme.
There are multiple players that deserve 99s at every position. The Nolan Ryan, Griffey Jr and Willie Mays type of guys definitely do. Some modern flashbacks I can live with being 99s also. HW Harper for his MVP in ‘15, Mookie in ‘18 or a SS Sale, Verlander or Kershaw spring to mind as deserving of a 99 overall flashback card. I’ve no real issue with Randy Arozarena getting a 99 for his historic postseason, or Seaver getting a 99 overall WS MVP card either. Then, as you get to the end of the year, by all means juice up the Finest a little to make them stand out, because by this time there’s a lot of end game cards at each position out there. People are mostly left playing for fun after the season has ended and only juiced 99s will crack their squad of elite and personal favourite players.
This year, the finest aren’t the finest at all. In fact there are already finer options available for free or pennies in the marketplace and have been for a long time. Hence the finest are mostly relegated to insignificance before they’ve even been released. I’m not saying don’t have various options that promote line up diversity, but content hasn’t been executed anywhere near as well as last year this time around and one of the primary factors is the sheer number of overpowered cards that are available.
They are saving the actual finest for packs and event rewards and these are the equivalent to the fan vote cards. Guaranteed. Freeman is the only one that could have been a finest select as they were called last year and they are just likely giving the 1B finest to Abreu. You can make all the argument for juiced ratings on guys like santander you want but that is an issue of it should have been iglesias instead
Right. But how will they be any “finer” than the existing options? Everyone already has multiple options with stats above 110, so what’s so good about the latest round of juiced flashbacks that wasn’t about the last bunch, or the one before it?
Why can’t I then have an all 125/99 Griffey? Because according to SDS, he never did enough to warrant a card like that in game. Nonetheless, I feel like he was a better player than most of the cards that have been created with better stats and I want him to stand out or at least be equally good. Let’s give every card maxed out stats in every category from day one and just let us fill in the name. Then SDS can generate the card art from the selection they have licensed and we’ll all play on an even playing field. Do away with stubs, micro transactions and earning rewards entirely and just play baseball. That way they can focus on gameplay and not giving juiced cards to rookies who may not even break into the majors long term, while snubbing genuine legends with underwhelming stats on their very best cards that we have to wait until Christmas for anyway.
I can't tell if you are being sarcastic at the end but this is 2020, no videogame, especially sports titles will do away with in game currency and micro transactions.
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@eatyum said in Too many 99s:
@ComebackLogic said in Too many 99s:
@the_dragon1912 said in Too many 99s:
@ComebackLogic said in Too many 99s:
@eatyum said in Too many 99s:
@ComebackLogic said in Too many 99s:
@eatyum said in Too many 99s:
@DoIHearBossMusic said in Too many 99s:
@Thierry007007 said in Too many 99s:
@DoIHearBossMusic said in Too many 99s:
I'm ok with actual legends getting 99s, but agree about guys with a few good days getting cards better than Babe, Musial, Mays, etc.
I know it's fictional but it really waters down the elite cards
I think current day players should have a 95, 96 overall cap. Legends and past players should be the only ones with 99 overall cards. Always respect the elders.
I agree, There should only be a handful of 99s like Griffey, Mantle, Mays, Babe, Gibson, etc. Not like the 93-97 cards aren't playable
They did that in 2018 and lineup diversity was non existent. That kind of thought is nice to think about, but its not practical.
That was for other reasons as well. The content delivery model was terrible, there were long periods in the middle of the game cycle with no gameplay adjustments or content, contact hitters were not viable and I don’t mean like this year where power is king, I mean they could not hit it past the infield, the stat accumulation grinds were too long and boring and outside of the handful of immortals there were very few useable, let alone elite, options. As I described earlier, that doesn’t have to be the case in order to make a card like Griffey or Mays stand out from a single game flashback from 2020.
Yes there were other reasons 18 sucked and contributed to less lineup variety, but one of the biggest was the lack of 99's. People are going to gravitate towards the higher rates cards, that's just how it works. So if 99 is reserved for a handful, you will basically only see those in ranked
It doesn’t need to be reserved for a handful of cards like ‘18. That’s going from the current extreme where even a mediocre player like Santander or Stallings is automatically given a 99 on the basis of cards needing to be 99s or merely being registered as an MLB player on a team that lacks depth, to yet another extreme.
There are multiple players that deserve 99s at every position. The Nolan Ryan, Griffey Jr and Willie Mays type of guys definitely do. Some modern flashbacks I can live with being 99s also. HW Harper for his MVP in ‘15, Mookie in ‘18 or a SS Sale, Verlander or Kershaw spring to mind as deserving of a 99 overall flashback card. I’ve no real issue with Randy Arozarena getting a 99 for his historic postseason, or Seaver getting a 99 overall WS MVP card either. Then, as you get to the end of the year, by all means juice up the Finest a little to make them stand out, because by this time there’s a lot of end game cards at each position out there. People are mostly left playing for fun after the season has ended and only juiced 99s will crack their squad of elite and personal favourite players.
This year, the finest aren’t the finest at all. In fact there are already finer options available for free or pennies in the marketplace and have been for a long time. Hence the finest are mostly relegated to insignificance before they’ve even been released. I’m not saying don’t have various options that promote line up diversity, but content hasn’t been executed anywhere near as well as last year this time around and one of the primary factors is the sheer number of overpowered cards that are available.
They are saving the actual finest for packs and event rewards and these are the equivalent to the fan vote cards. Guaranteed. Freeman is the only one that could have been a finest select as they were called last year and they are just likely giving the 1B finest to Abreu. You can make all the argument for juiced ratings on guys like santander you want but that is an issue of it should have been iglesias instead
Right. But how will they be any “finer” than the existing options? Everyone already has multiple options with stats above 110, so what’s so good about the latest round of juiced flashbacks that wasn’t about the last bunch, or the one before it?
Why can’t I then have an all 125/99 Griffey? Because according to SDS, he never did enough to warrant a card like that in game. Nonetheless, I feel like he was a better player than most of the cards that have been created with better stats and I want him to stand out or at least be equally good. Let’s give every card maxed out stats in every category from day one and just let us fill in the name. Then SDS can generate the card art from the selection they have licensed and we’ll all play on an even playing field. Do away with stubs, micro transactions and earning rewards entirely and just play baseball. That way they can focus on gameplay and not giving juiced cards to rookies who may not even break into the majors long term, while snubbing genuine legends with underwhelming stats on their very best cards that we have to wait until Christmas for anyway.
I can't tell if you are being sarcastic at the end but this is 2020, no videogame, especially sports titles will do away with in game currency and micro transactions.
There’s only so many times you can sell some one a very similar player stats wise, just with a different artwork or series towards a collection on the card. Sooner or later, everyone will stop taking the bait. This directly impacts micro transactions. The reason we used to get hyped for finest at the end of the year was because it was a chance to use these super juiced versions of current day players, with silly made up stats that could actually compete with other players who had an elite card you didn’t or couldn’t get like Ted Williams or Babe Ruth, or maybe even dislodge a Frank Thomas or Joe Morgan from your own team of legends. Just because it’s different and fun and it’s silly season after the WS.
This year it’s been silly season right out of the gates and I’m simply pointing out that the finest aren’t that special this year in terms of being super juiced versions of current players who’ve had a decent season. We’ve had that kind of thing all year, so of course people are tired of it by the time we get to the Finest program. It also waters down the implied value of completing collections for cards like Biggio or Sheffield, because they’re totally irrelevant and even at a disadvantage compared to Topps Now or POTM flashbacks you can get free from moments. Especially to players who simply want to field the strongest possible DD team. I don’t like that approach. It makes you feel as though you don’t need to put any effort in, because everything gets handed to you anyway. It also translates to “I don’t need to spend any money”, going back to micro transactions again, which is good for players, not so great for SDS and future development. If they don’t make as much money as projected from the previous year, the game suffers long term.
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@dcmo3 said in Too many 99s:
@sbevans142 said in Too many 99s:
I dont see the problem. I like that everyone doesn't HAVE to put Babe in the lineup because he has the ultimate card. It's fun that current players you like have useable cards. I honestly dont get the idea that good cards should be limited- Do you not get tired of facing Kluber, Orel, and Paxton every game? Or Tatis, Trout, Mantle, and Babe? Because that's what you are arguing for
If you want to play with a lesser player, then by all means play him. They shouldn't however have their stats blown up to something that they aren't or never will be, just because you don't want to take the hit of playing a non-elite.
So you are saying that it would be fun for everyone to use the same 9 HOFers, most of whom, none of us have ever seen play? Cool dude. Sounds fun
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Why does it matter? It's just options to use cards you would never use there live series card for.. FOr instance i wouldn't use Travis D'Arnaud's live series, but dam i crush the ball with his postseason 99 card... so Can't complain. Also, it's nice to use modern players. Live Series are irrelevant after the first month of the game and really only matter for the collection.
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