Check swings
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@MINISTRO787 said in Check swings:
I'm sure the folks that complain about check swings never check swing themselves right?
I check swing but when you do it 20 plus times a game and it’s rarely called a strike, but my guys with125 discipline think about it they call it a strike.
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Checked swings are the most ambiguous calls in real baseball and therefore it's probably the most accurate thing SDS put in this game.
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@MINISTRO787 said in Check swings:
I'm sure the folks that complain about check swings never check swing themselves right?
You can't deny the absolute randomness in check swings if you play this game extensively bro. Like its generally accepted amongst almost everyone that it's just straight up terrible.
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Would it be better if they just made it 50/50? Right now it seems like it is 95-5% with balls being called to strikes.
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@mrcityofwin said in Check swings:
Would it be better if they just made it 50/50? Right now it seems like it is 95-5% with balls being called to strikes.
The problem with 50/50 is that certain situations carry way more weight than others. Like bases empty no outs, I draw a walk on a check swing on which I felt like I went around. No biggie, I couldn't care less if I got rung up, but I'll take the walk. Then later in the game bases loaded 2 outs, I check swing in a full count and I barely even touch the button yet I get rung up because I went around according to the game, making the 50/50 balance out on my earlier walk. It's an extreme example but the game can't calculate the situational aspect of the moment.
So in short, I would advocate for less randomness altogether by simply removing the mechanic. 50/50 would just shuffle the randomness deck differently.
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Stop your whining and throw a strike then. There, I fixed it.
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@cardinals588 said in Check swings:
Stop your whining and throw a strike then. There, I fixed it.
Or, you could develop an actual good eye and just lay off those tempting pitches in the dirt you wanna swing at every single time only to be bailed out by a faulty game mechanic.
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@eatyum said in Check swings:
@raesONE said in Check swings:
They should just be removed completely. You tap the button, you swing. You don't tap the button, you don't swing. Easy peasy.
I used to be against this, but I think I've come around on just getting rid of it.
Played against someone who was 165-40, anytime it was offspeed he check swung. He was able to sit fastball all game and won because he got check swings everytime I threw the offspeed. (And because the game will hang secondary pitches a ton if you don't throw the primary pitch, I was screwed)
The guy has great PCI placement, and he can hit the fastball, but he would not be 165-40 if the game did not allow him to check swing and he wouldn't be able to only sit fastball
Throw strikes with the off speed stuff till he stops checking. Then hit him with the fastball/sinker. I'm guessing you weren't throwing strikes with your off speed stuff.
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@TheWise1-86 said in Check swings:
@eatyum said in Check swings:
@raesONE said in Check swings:
They should just be removed completely. You tap the button, you swing. You don't tap the button, you don't swing. Easy peasy.
I used to be against this, but I think I've come around on just getting rid of it.
Played against someone who was 165-40, anytime it was offspeed he check swung. He was able to sit fastball all game and won because he got check swings everytime I threw the offspeed. (And because the game will hang secondary pitches a ton if you don't throw the primary pitch, I was screwed)
The guy has great PCI placement, and he can hit the fastball, but he would not be 165-40 if the game did not allow him to check swing and he wouldn't be able to only sit fastball
Throw strikes with the off speed stuff till he stops checking. Then hit him with the fastball/sinker. I'm guessing you weren't throwing strikes with your off speed stuff.
Throwing off speed on the plate isn't a good idea because of how often something hangs. Fastballs can get away with hanging because of speed, offspeed often can't.
If pitching were better and good input meant hitting the corner with a offspeed pitch, I would.
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@TheWise1-86 said in Check swings:
@eatyum said in Check swings:
@raesONE said in Check swings:
They should just be removed completely. You tap the button, you swing. You don't tap the button, you don't swing. Easy peasy.
I used to be against this, but I think I've come around on just getting rid of it.
Played against someone who was 165-40, anytime it was offspeed he check swung. He was able to sit fastball all game and won because he got check swings everytime I threw the offspeed. (And because the game will hang secondary pitches a ton if you don't throw the primary pitch, I was screwed)
The guy has great PCI placement, and he can hit the fastball, but he would not be 165-40 if the game did not allow him to check swing and he wouldn't be able to only sit fastball
Throw strikes with the off speed stuff till he stops checking. Then hit him with the fastball/sinker. I'm guessing you weren't throwing strikes with your off speed stuff.
Never should I be forced to throw strikes if my opponent shows tendencies to swing at balls more often than not. That's the whole purpose of this game from a pitcher's perspective. The mechanic is broken, end of story.
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Getting constant check swings when you’re fooling your opponent is like good/good line outs, if you have a lot of them in the same game, it makes for a frustrating experience.
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@beanball0571 said in Check swings:
In my last two games my opponents have combined for 48 checkswings, and 44 of them being balls. Some of these are completely ridiculous on how they aren’t strikes. So SDS let’s fix this where guys with 125 discipline can barely get a check swing but guys with low discipline can just check away. By the way a 91% percent check swing rate is astronomic
I had a game like that the other day too. Totally frustrating.
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Foul balls on horribly timed swings to ,
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I still stand by removing check swings all together, stated that in 19 as well.
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@eatyum said in Check swings:
@TheWise1-86 said in Check swings:
@eatyum said in Check swings:
@raesONE said in Check swings:
They should just be removed completely. You tap the button, you swing. You don't tap the button, you don't swing. Easy peasy.
I used to be against this, but I think I've come around on just getting rid of it.
Played against someone who was 165-40, anytime it was offspeed he check swung. He was able to sit fastball all game and won because he got check swings everytime I threw the offspeed. (And because the game will hang secondary pitches a ton if you don't throw the primary pitch, I was screwed)
The guy has great PCI placement, and he can hit the fastball, but he would not be 165-40 if the game did not allow him to check swing and he wouldn't be able to only sit fastball
Throw strikes with the off speed stuff till he stops checking. Then hit him with the fastball/sinker. I'm guessing you weren't throwing strikes with your off speed stuff.
Throwing off speed on the plate isn't a good idea because of how often something hangs. Fastballs can get away with hanging because of speed, offspeed often can't.
If pitching were better and good input meant hitting the corner with a offspeed pitch, I would.
That I agree with. Doesn't make sense why most curves hang unless you bury it. However, there are different off speed pitches that aren't as bad and if you use pitchers with high 80s for control, you barely hang anything.
Gotta know your opponent. I pitch really well with Hamels throwing the change as the primary pitch dotting the inside and outside corner. I'm not trying to be an [censored], but if your oppenent is checking every off speed pitch, who cares if you hang a few. He won't hit it. He's sitting fastball because he knows the off speed isn't going for a strike.
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@TheWise1-86 said in Check swings:
@eatyum said in Check swings:
@raesONE said in Check swings:
They should just be removed completely. You tap the button, you swing. You don't tap the button, you don't swing. Easy peasy.
I used to be against this, but I think I've come around on just getting rid of it.
Played against someone who was 165-40, anytime it was offspeed he check swung. He was able to sit fastball all game and won because he got check swings everytime I threw the offspeed. (And because the game will hang secondary pitches a ton if you don't throw the primary pitch, I was screwed)
The guy has great PCI placement, and he can hit the fastball, but he would not be 165-40 if the game did not allow him to check swing and he wouldn't be able to only sit fastball
Throw strikes with the off speed stuff till he stops checking. Then hit him with the fastball/sinker. I'm guessing you weren't throwing strikes with your off speed stuff.
I guess you haven't played against high ranking guys before? They will be happy to deposit those hangers over the wall for your enjoyment.
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@raesONE said in Check swings:
@TheWise1-86 said in Check swings:
@eatyum said in Check swings:
@raesONE said in Check swings:
They should just be removed completely. You tap the button, you swing. You don't tap the button, you don't swing. Easy peasy.
I used to be against this, but I think I've come around on just getting rid of it.
Played against someone who was 165-40, anytime it was offspeed he check swung. He was able to sit fastball all game and won because he got check swings everytime I threw the offspeed. (And because the game will hang secondary pitches a ton if you don't throw the primary pitch, I was screwed)
The guy has great PCI placement, and he can hit the fastball, but he would not be 165-40 if the game did not allow him to check swing and he wouldn't be able to only sit fastball
Throw strikes with the off speed stuff till he stops checking. Then hit him with the fastball/sinker. I'm guessing you weren't throwing strikes with your off speed stuff.
Never should I be forced to throw strikes if my opponent shows tendencies to swing at balls more often than not. That's the whole purpose of this game from a pitcher's perspective. The mechanic is broken, end of story.
Is he swinging at balls or check swinging at balls? If he's check swinging and not swinging at your balls, then yes, yes you are forced to throw strikes or else it's going to get ugly.
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@Matt_42187 said in Check swings:
@TheWise1-86 said in Check swings:
@eatyum said in Check swings:
@raesONE said in Check swings:
They should just be removed completely. You tap the button, you swing. You don't tap the button, you don't swing. Easy peasy.
I used to be against this, but I think I've come around on just getting rid of it.
Played against someone who was 165-40, anytime it was offspeed he check swung. He was able to sit fastball all game and won because he got check swings everytime I threw the offspeed. (And because the game will hang secondary pitches a ton if you don't throw the primary pitch, I was screwed)
The guy has great PCI placement, and he can hit the fastball, but he would not be 165-40 if the game did not allow him to check swing and he wouldn't be able to only sit fastball
Throw strikes with the off speed stuff till he stops checking. Then hit him with the fastball/sinker. I'm guessing you weren't throwing strikes with your off speed stuff.
I guess you haven't played against high ranking guys before? They will be happy to deposit those hangers over the wall for your enjoyment.
I have. You're absolutely right. They get crushed. But we're talking about a specific situation. If he's checking everything that's off speed, then it's because he's early or it's a ball. If you can determine that he's early because he's sitting on the fast ball, then all it takes is an inning or two of throwing a few strikes of off speed stuff and you'll see his tendencies change in my experience.
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@TheWise1-86 said in Check swings:
@Matt_42187 said in Check swings:
@TheWise1-86 said in Check swings:
@eatyum said in Check swings:
@raesONE said in Check swings:
They should just be removed completely. You tap the button, you swing. You don't tap the button, you don't swing. Easy peasy.
I used to be against this, but I think I've come around on just getting rid of it.
Played against someone who was 165-40, anytime it was offspeed he check swung. He was able to sit fastball all game and won because he got check swings everytime I threw the offspeed. (And because the game will hang secondary pitches a ton if you don't throw the primary pitch, I was screwed)
The guy has great PCI placement, and he can hit the fastball, but he would not be 165-40 if the game did not allow him to check swing and he wouldn't be able to only sit fastball
Throw strikes with the off speed stuff till he stops checking. Then hit him with the fastball/sinker. I'm guessing you weren't throwing strikes with your off speed stuff.
I guess you haven't played against high ranking guys before? They will be happy to deposit those hangers over the wall for your enjoyment.
I have. You're absolutely right. They get crushed. But we're talking about a specific situation. If he's checking everything that's off speed, then it's because he's early or it's a ball. If you can determine that he's early because he's sitting on the fast ball, then all it takes is an inning or two of throwing a few strikes of off speed stuff and you'll see his tendencies change in my experience.
What you may not know is the guy is looking for a spot with the off-speed stuff. After a couple of innings, the guy will definitely know what type of break the pitches have. Especially if the guy only throws in the mid 90's with no fastball. It may work on the guys in the 400-700 range. Anyone above 800, different story.
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@TheWise1-86 said in Check swings:
@raesONE said in Check swings:
@TheWise1-86 said in Check swings:
@eatyum said in Check swings:
@raesONE said in Check swings:
They should just be removed completely. You tap the button, you swing. You don't tap the button, you don't swing. Easy peasy.
I used to be against this, but I think I've come around on just getting rid of it.
Played against someone who was 165-40, anytime it was offspeed he check swung. He was able to sit fastball all game and won because he got check swings everytime I threw the offspeed. (And because the game will hang secondary pitches a ton if you don't throw the primary pitch, I was screwed)
The guy has great PCI placement, and he can hit the fastball, but he would not be 165-40 if the game did not allow him to check swing and he wouldn't be able to only sit fastball
Throw strikes with the off speed stuff till he stops checking. Then hit him with the fastball/sinker. I'm guessing you weren't throwing strikes with your off speed stuff.
Never should I be forced to throw strikes if my opponent shows tendencies to swing at balls more often than not. That's the whole purpose of this game from a pitcher's perspective. The mechanic is broken, end of story.
Is he swinging at balls or check swinging at balls? If he's check swinging and not swinging at your balls, then yes, yes you are forced to throw strikes or else it's going to get ugly.
Bottom line is, a person should not be able to start a swing and almost always stop it, whether they are doing it because it's a ball or because it's an offspeed and/or both.
