How about a Cy Young Winner in ‘20!
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@pfcorporate said in How about a Cy Young Winner in ‘20!:
I think by sds not including them this year they are acknowledging that they were implemented poorly in the past versions of the game. There was a special on knuckleballers a few years ago that featured Wakefield on either ESPN or maybe mlb network. He basically admitted that for the most part he didn’t know where the pitch was going and some days the pitch just didn’t work. The problem with the knuckleball in the game is people could basically dot the corners with it and even when you didn’t execute the pitch well it still moved all over the place. If they were to include the pitch in the future it should be more difficult to control and if you do miss on execution it should flatten out and float over the plate. Then at least there is a risk reward element If you want to run knuckleballers out there you should have to execute or get crushed. That wasn’t the case in 18. You could basically just let it go and it would dance all over the place
Exactly. This is why I think SDS is just taking the easy route. They're taking all the knuckleballers out of the game they can and adjusting Events restrictions instead of dealing with the actual issue.
You're right. The knuckleball is so specialized and needs to be treated different from other pitches. Hopefully, some day, SDS will take a look at it and really address the issue because I have a real fondness for the knuckleball and I don't want to see guys left out because they can't make them hittable. I have a feeling they'll do the same thing in 20 that they did in 19.
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@Lyman2616 said in How about a Cy Young Winner in ‘20!:
kind of inspired me to do a RTTS as a Knuckleball SP
I did the same thing but my Knuckleball is my secondary pitch.
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Skepple15, first, I was making a request to SDS and to the community. The feedback from players has been helpful as I am new to the experience of this game. Even some of your responses to the post were helpful. It’s clear what was unnecessary to the forum.
I have no experience with any past iteration of the game. This is the last time I will bother addressing your comments as you appear to be an employee of Sony or SDS or are just too knowledgeable than the rest of us that you resort to insults. I didn’t ask you for your continued responses, it’s clear where you stand and I’d much rather hear the rest of the community than anymore of what you have to say. Let’s just wipe out all player that have existed because they throw a certain pitch instead of figuring out a way to integrate them into the game (ie personal catchers that have no offense or pay the defensive price or some other IDEA).
It’s not YOUR GAME, it’s OUR GAME.
YOU DO NOT SPEAK FOR EVERYTHING AND EVERYONE.
Some may like a knuckleballer in the game, some may not. If there was an issue in past years of the game, then so be it or figure out a way.
The point is, this man won a Cy Young for best pitcher in the NL in 2012. That cannot be erased nor diminished. It’s a hell of an achievement that he deserves his accolades. There was even a friggin’ movie /documentary with him! “Knuckleball”.
It doesn’t matter how many knuckle ball pitchers I can name, the point is it’s part of the rich history of baseball.
I have been watching baseball since back in the day when Mike Scott was on the Mets... he was one of the worst pitchers in baseball! He went to Houston, learned at the time a “new” pitch called the split finger fastball! It had been around in different deliveries, but NOTHING like Mike Scott has invented. This is the modern day splitter that is common today. Scott mastered that splitter and became one of the best pitchers in all of baseball. Point is, if that was now should we ban pitchers who throw splitters?
You have made your opinions known, move on and let others have their say to the COMMUNITY & SDS!Again, maybe personal catchers that are real light hitters or use your best catcher at your own peril... that can be one metric to help..?
Thank you to those whom have been helpful and have constructive feedback!
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@Psycho-_-Kill-er said in How about a Cy Young Winner in ‘20!:
Skepple15, first, I was making a request to SDS and to the community. The feedback from players has been helpful as I am new to the experience of this game. Even some of your responses to the post were helpful. It’s clear what was unnecessary to the forum.
I have no experience with any past iteration of the game. This is the last time I will bother addressing your comments as you appear to be an employee of Sony or SDS or are just too knowledgeable than the rest of us that you resort to insults. I didn’t ask you for your continued responses, it’s clear where you stand and I’d much rather hear the rest of the community than anymore of what you have to say. Let’s just wipe out all player that have existed because they throw a certain pitch instead of figuring out a way to integrate them into the game (ie personal catchers that have no offense or pay the defensive price or some other IDEA).
It’s not YOUR GAME, it’s OUR GAME.
YOU DO NOT SPEAK FOR EVERYTHING AND EVERYONE.
Some may like a knuckleballer in the game, some may not. If there was an issue in past years of the game, then so be it or figure out a way.
The point is, this man won a Cy Young for best pitcher in the NL in 2012. That cannot be erased nor diminished. It’s a hell of an achievement that he deserves his accolades. There was even a friggin’ movie /documentary with him! “Knuckleball”.
It doesn’t matter how many knuckle ball pitchers I can name, the point is it’s part of the rich history of baseball.
I have been watching baseball since back in the day when Mike Scott was on the Mets... he was one of the worst pitchers in baseball! He went to Houston, learned at the time a “new” pitch called the split finger fastball! It had been around in different deliveries, but NOTHING like Mike Scott has invented. This is the modern day splitter that is common today. Scott mastered that splitter and became one of the best pitchers in all of baseball. Point is, if that was now should we ban pitchers who throw splitters?
You have made your opinions known, move on and let others have their say to the COMMUNITY & SDS!Again, maybe personal catchers that are real light hitters or use your best catcher at your own peril... that can be one metric to help..?
Thank you to those whom have been helpful and have constructive feedback!
All I’ve said is knuckleballers need to be balanced properly, no where did I insult you, please show me where I insulted you.
On your Mike scott comment, if you used Mike Scott in the game and threw 140 straight splitters they would lose effectiveness, I’ve seen guys throw 140 knuckleballs in a game with the same effectiveness on pitch 140 as they had on pitch 1, until that changes it’s going to be a no from most people in the community.
Other people are allowed to comment but I’m not? The way you argue makes me think this is a burner account for grizzbear.
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It not wasting my time responding to you. Read your post yourself. Done
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@Psycho-_-Kill-er said in How about a Cy Young Winner in ‘20!:
It not wasting my time responding to you. Read your post yourself. Done
I really, really hope this is a troll account.
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@Psycho-_-Kill-er said in How about a Cy Young Winner in ‘20!:
It not wasting my time responding to you. Read your post yourself. Done
And right there you in fact did waste your time in responding to him. You played yourself.
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@eatyum said in How about a Cy Young Winner in ‘20!:
@Psycho-_-Kill-er said in How about a Cy Young Winner in ‘20!:
And you sir do not “grasp” decorum! Who knows how players are selected for the game and whom/when players/MLB give rights for their “likeness” other than Sony/SDS. Do you work for any of them? If so, please enlighten us on the internals of these decisions. If not, explain how it is you are so certain of your answer that I possibly have submitted an unfathomable suggestion for players to be included. Did they contact Lou Gehrig, Babe Ruth, Cy Young, etc from the dead for their inclusion? If RA Dickey is excluded for some reason, I did name several other knuckleballers in my post. I found your reply very sarcastic and unreliable!
Sale was just an example, he, Sale was not the point and is irrelevant to the point I was trying to make.
Obviously you do not “GRASP” nor understand the CONTEXT in submission of a SUGGESTION!We do know how these things work. Of course they didn't contact Lou Gehrig or Cy Young, but they negotiated with their family estates who own the rights to their name.
It's really simple > Active players are covered under the MLB Union, SDS has rights to use them however they see fit.
Retired players most be negotiated with individually, either with the player himself if he is alive, or with the family estate/corporation that owns the name if he is not.I don't think that's entirely accurate, SDS has agreements with the Hall and the alumni association. I seriously doubt they negotiate individually, otherwise the credit screen would have more disclaimers of where their rights to players come from
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On 17 they were a lot easier to hit. 18 they were a Nightmare.
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@foge011 said in How about a Cy Young Winner in ‘20!:
@eatyum said in How about a Cy Young Winner in ‘20!:
@Psycho-_-Kill-er said in How about a Cy Young Winner in ‘20!:
And you sir do not “grasp” decorum! Who knows how players are selected for the game and whom/when players/MLB give rights for their “likeness” other than Sony/SDS. Do you work for any of them? If so, please enlighten us on the internals of these decisions. If not, explain how it is you are so certain of your answer that I possibly have submitted an unfathomable suggestion for players to be included. Did they contact Lou Gehrig, Babe Ruth, Cy Young, etc from the dead for their inclusion? If RA Dickey is excluded for some reason, I did name several other knuckleballers in my post. I found your reply very sarcastic and unreliable!
Sale was just an example, he, Sale was not the point and is irrelevant to the point I was trying to make.
Obviously you do not “GRASP” nor understand the CONTEXT in submission of a SUGGESTION!We do know how these things work. Of course they didn't contact Lou Gehrig or Cy Young, but they negotiated with their family estates who own the rights to their name.
It's really simple > Active players are covered under the MLB Union, SDS has rights to use them however they see fit.
Retired players most be negotiated with individually, either with the player himself if he is alive, or with the family estate/corporation that owns the name if he is not.I don't think that's entirely accurate, SDS has agreements with the Hall and the alumni association. I seriously doubt they negotiate individually, otherwise the credit screen would have more disclaimers of where their rights to players come from
While some rights may come from there, a lot of players (The good ones) withhold their rights and do not join the alumni association because they know their name is valuable. If it was the case of being in agreement with the Hall of Fame, why is guys like Mantle not in?
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@eatyum said in How about a Cy Young Winner in ‘20!:
@foge011 said in How about a Cy Young Winner in ‘20!:
@eatyum said in How about a Cy Young Winner in ‘20!:
@Psycho-_-Kill-er said in How about a Cy Young Winner in ‘20!:
And you sir do not “grasp” decorum! Who knows how players are selected for the game and whom/when players/MLB give rights for their “likeness” other than Sony/SDS. Do you work for any of them? If so, please enlighten us on the internals of these decisions. If not, explain how it is you are so certain of your answer that I possibly have submitted an unfathomable suggestion for players to be included. Did they contact Lou Gehrig, Babe Ruth, Cy Young, etc from the dead for their inclusion? If RA Dickey is excluded for some reason, I did name several other knuckleballers in my post. I found your reply very sarcastic and unreliable!
Sale was just an example, he, Sale was not the point and is irrelevant to the point I was trying to make.
Obviously you do not “GRASP” nor understand the CONTEXT in submission of a SUGGESTION!We do know how these things work. Of course they didn't contact Lou Gehrig or Cy Young, but they negotiated with their family estates who own the rights to their name.
It's really simple > Active players are covered under the MLB Union, SDS has rights to use them however they see fit.
Retired players most be negotiated with individually, either with the player himself if he is alive, or with the family estate/corporation that owns the name if he is not.I don't think that's entirely accurate, SDS has agreements with the Hall and the alumni association. I seriously doubt they negotiate individually, otherwise the credit screen would have more disclaimers of where their rights to players come from
While some rights may come from there, a lot of players (The good ones) withhold their rights and do not join the alumni association because they know their name is valuable. If it was the case of being in agreement with the Hall of Fame, why is guys like Mantle not in?
I don't know why Mantle is not in the game. Maybe the bigger the name the bigger the blanket price. For a studio the size of SDS, I don't think they have all kinds of individual licenses floating around.
I could be wrong or you could be wrong, we'll never know for sure because neither of us work in legal at SDS or Sony. -
@foge011 said in How about a Cy Young Winner in ‘20!:
@eatyum said in How about a Cy Young Winner in ‘20!:
@foge011 said in How about a Cy Young Winner in ‘20!:
@eatyum said in How about a Cy Young Winner in ‘20!:
@Psycho-_-Kill-er said in How about a Cy Young Winner in ‘20!:
And you sir do not “grasp” decorum! Who knows how players are selected for the game and whom/when players/MLB give rights for their “likeness” other than Sony/SDS. Do you work for any of them? If so, please enlighten us on the internals of these decisions. If not, explain how it is you are so certain of your answer that I possibly have submitted an unfathomable suggestion for players to be included. Did they contact Lou Gehrig, Babe Ruth, Cy Young, etc from the dead for their inclusion? If RA Dickey is excluded for some reason, I did name several other knuckleballers in my post. I found your reply very sarcastic and unreliable!
Sale was just an example, he, Sale was not the point and is irrelevant to the point I was trying to make.
Obviously you do not “GRASP” nor understand the CONTEXT in submission of a SUGGESTION!We do know how these things work. Of course they didn't contact Lou Gehrig or Cy Young, but they negotiated with their family estates who own the rights to their name.
It's really simple > Active players are covered under the MLB Union, SDS has rights to use them however they see fit.
Retired players most be negotiated with individually, either with the player himself if he is alive, or with the family estate/corporation that owns the name if he is not.I don't think that's entirely accurate, SDS has agreements with the Hall and the alumni association. I seriously doubt they negotiate individually, otherwise the credit screen would have more disclaimers of where their rights to players come from
While some rights may come from there, a lot of players (The good ones) withhold their rights and do not join the alumni association because they know their name is valuable. If it was the case of being in agreement with the Hall of Fame, why is guys like Mantle not in?
I don't know why Mantle is not in the game. Maybe the bigger the name the bigger the blanket price. For a studio the size of SDS, I don't think they have all kinds of individual licenses floating around.
I could be wrong or you could be wrong, we'll never know for sure because neither of us work in legal at SDS or Sony.So Mantle is a bigger name then Babe Ruth who is also in the HoF? If they can afford the Babe Ruth "blanket price", pretty sure Mantle would be in there.
That example isn't even necessary because we know the HOF does not have Babe Ruth's rights. A simple google search shows Luminary group, a corporation owns all rights to Ruth's name and likeness. Most HOF players chose not to let the HOF have their rights, because they know their name is valuable.
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@eatyum said in How about a Cy Young Winner in ‘20!:
@foge011 said in How about a Cy Young Winner in ‘20!:
@eatyum said in How about a Cy Young Winner in ‘20!:
@foge011 said in How about a Cy Young Winner in ‘20!:
@eatyum said in How about a Cy Young Winner in ‘20!:
@Psycho-_-Kill-er said in How about a Cy Young Winner in ‘20!:
And you sir do not “grasp” decorum! Who knows how players are selected for the game and whom/when players/MLB give rights for their “likeness” other than Sony/SDS. Do you work for any of them? If so, please enlighten us on the internals of these decisions. If not, explain how it is you are so certain of your answer that I possibly have submitted an unfathomable suggestion for players to be included. Did they contact Lou Gehrig, Babe Ruth, Cy Young, etc from the dead for their inclusion? If RA Dickey is excluded for some reason, I did name several other knuckleballers in my post. I found your reply very sarcastic and unreliable!
Sale was just an example, he, Sale was not the point and is irrelevant to the point I was trying to make.
Obviously you do not “GRASP” nor understand the CONTEXT in submission of a SUGGESTION!We do know how these things work. Of course they didn't contact Lou Gehrig or Cy Young, but they negotiated with their family estates who own the rights to their name.
It's really simple > Active players are covered under the MLB Union, SDS has rights to use them however they see fit.
Retired players most be negotiated with individually, either with the player himself if he is alive, or with the family estate/corporation that owns the name if he is not.I don't think that's entirely accurate, SDS has agreements with the Hall and the alumni association. I seriously doubt they negotiate individually, otherwise the credit screen would have more disclaimers of where their rights to players come from
While some rights may come from there, a lot of players (The good ones) withhold their rights and do not join the alumni association because they know their name is valuable. If it was the case of being in agreement with the Hall of Fame, why is guys like Mantle not in?
I don't know why Mantle is not in the game. Maybe the bigger the name the bigger the blanket price. For a studio the size of SDS, I don't think they have all kinds of individual licenses floating around.
I could be wrong or you could be wrong, we'll never know for sure because neither of us work in legal at SDS or Sony.So Mantle is a bigger name then Babe Ruth who is also in the HoF? If they can afford the Babe Ruth "blanket price", pretty sure Mantle would be in there.
That example isn't even necessary because we know the HOF does not have Babe Ruth's rights. A simple google search shows Luminary group, a corporation owns all rights to Ruth's name and likeness. Most HOF players chose not to let the HOF have their rights, because they know their name is valuable.
This is correct. In fact even active players can decide not to sign the MLBPA group licensing agreement and be individually represented. Barry Bonds was a notable player who did this, which meant his license rights were not included with MLBPA, but licensed directly through his agents. Jordan did this in the NBA as well.
Retired players can choose to be represented as part of the alumni association or be individually represented.
Generally, many retired players who feel they can make better deals due to their specific situations choose to not be represented by the alumni association, but instead their own family trusts, individual agents, or other group licensing companies.
Any players, whether active or retired who choose not to be represented by the MLBPA or Alumni association would require that companies looking for their rights to negotiate directly with their desired agents/agency.
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@eatyum said in How about a Cy Young Winner in ‘20!:
@foge011 said in How about a Cy Young Winner in ‘20!:
@eatyum said in How about a Cy Young Winner in ‘20!:
@foge011 said in How about a Cy Young Winner in ‘20!:
@eatyum said in How about a Cy Young Winner in ‘20!:
@Psycho-_-Kill-er said in How about a Cy Young Winner in ‘20!:
And you sir do not “grasp” decorum! Who knows how players are selected for the game and whom/when players/MLB give rights for their “likeness” other than Sony/SDS. Do you work for any of them? If so, please enlighten us on the internals of these decisions. If not, explain how it is you are so certain of your answer that I possibly have submitted an unfathomable suggestion for players to be included. Did they contact Lou Gehrig, Babe Ruth, Cy Young, etc from the dead for their inclusion? If RA Dickey is excluded for some reason, I did name several other knuckleballers in my post. I found your reply very sarcastic and unreliable!
Sale was just an example, he, Sale was not the point and is irrelevant to the point I was trying to make.
Obviously you do not “GRASP” nor understand the CONTEXT in submission of a SUGGESTION!We do know how these things work. Of course they didn't contact Lou Gehrig or Cy Young, but they negotiated with their family estates who own the rights to their name.
It's really simple > Active players are covered under the MLB Union, SDS has rights to use them however they see fit.
Retired players most be negotiated with individually, either with the player himself if he is alive, or with the family estate/corporation that owns the name if he is not.I don't think that's entirely accurate, SDS has agreements with the Hall and the alumni association. I seriously doubt they negotiate individually, otherwise the credit screen would have more disclaimers of where their rights to players come from
While some rights may come from there, a lot of players (The good ones) withhold their rights and do not join the alumni association because they know their name is valuable. If it was the case of being in agreement with the Hall of Fame, why is guys like Mantle not in?
I don't know why Mantle is not in the game. Maybe the bigger the name the bigger the blanket price. For a studio the size of SDS, I don't think they have all kinds of individual licenses floating around.
I could be wrong or you could be wrong, we'll never know for sure because neither of us work in legal at SDS or Sony.So Mantle is a bigger name then Babe Ruth who is also in the HoF? If they can afford the Babe Ruth "blanket price", pretty sure Mantle would be in there.
That example isn't even necessary because we know the HOF does not have Babe Ruth's rights. A simple google search shows Luminary group, a corporation owns all rights to Ruth's name and likeness. Most HOF players chose not to let the HOF have their rights, because they know their name is valuable.
Is it possible Sony/SDS considers off the field character in who it selects for the games?
Have Pete Rose (gambling), Doc Gooden (substance abuse), Mickey Mantle (alcoholism), Lenny Dykstra (umm... nuts? for lack of better description), etc... ever been in the game?
Again, I am new to The Show (never liked how Baseball played on consoles before playing this) and do not know the previous players in game.It is an intriguing question of how these players are selected, under what criteria and how they are negotiated with or on behalf of for their inclusion/exclusion. Especially the ones whom have passed away and the ones with checkered pasts. Also, possibly disagreeing with SDS regarding their player rating..?
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@Psycho-_-Kill-er said in How about a Cy Young Winner in ‘20!:
@eatyum said in How about a Cy Young Winner in ‘20!:
@foge011 said in How about a Cy Young Winner in ‘20!:
@eatyum said in How about a Cy Young Winner in ‘20!:
@foge011 said in How about a Cy Young Winner in ‘20!:
@eatyum said in How about a Cy Young Winner in ‘20!:
@Psycho-_-Kill-er said in How about a Cy Young Winner in ‘20!:
And you sir do not “grasp” decorum! Who knows how players are selected for the game and whom/when players/MLB give rights for their “likeness” other than Sony/SDS. Do you work for any of them? If so, please enlighten us on the internals of these decisions. If not, explain how it is you are so certain of your answer that I possibly have submitted an unfathomable suggestion for players to be included. Did they contact Lou Gehrig, Babe Ruth, Cy Young, etc from the dead for their inclusion? If RA Dickey is excluded for some reason, I did name several other knuckleballers in my post. I found your reply very sarcastic and unreliable!
Sale was just an example, he, Sale was not the point and is irrelevant to the point I was trying to make.
Obviously you do not “GRASP” nor understand the CONTEXT in submission of a SUGGESTION!We do know how these things work. Of course they didn't contact Lou Gehrig or Cy Young, but they negotiated with their family estates who own the rights to their name.
It's really simple > Active players are covered under the MLB Union, SDS has rights to use them however they see fit.
Retired players most be negotiated with individually, either with the player himself if he is alive, or with the family estate/corporation that owns the name if he is not.I don't think that's entirely accurate, SDS has agreements with the Hall and the alumni association. I seriously doubt they negotiate individually, otherwise the credit screen would have more disclaimers of where their rights to players come from
While some rights may come from there, a lot of players (The good ones) withhold their rights and do not join the alumni association because they know their name is valuable. If it was the case of being in agreement with the Hall of Fame, why is guys like Mantle not in?
I don't know why Mantle is not in the game. Maybe the bigger the name the bigger the blanket price. For a studio the size of SDS, I don't think they have all kinds of individual licenses floating around.
I could be wrong or you could be wrong, we'll never know for sure because neither of us work in legal at SDS or Sony.So Mantle is a bigger name then Babe Ruth who is also in the HoF? If they can afford the Babe Ruth "blanket price", pretty sure Mantle would be in there.
That example isn't even necessary because we know the HOF does not have Babe Ruth's rights. A simple google search shows Luminary group, a corporation owns all rights to Ruth's name and likeness. Most HOF players chose not to let the HOF have their rights, because they know their name is valuable.
Is it possible Sony/SDS considers off the field character in who it selects for the games?
Have Pete Rose (gambling), Doc Gooden (substance abuse), Mickey Mantle (alcoholism), Lenny Dykstra (umm... nuts? for lack of better description), etc... ever been in the game?
Again, I am new to The Show (never liked how Baseball played on consoles before playing this) and do not know the previous players in game.It is an intriguing question of how these players are selected, under what criteria and how they are negotiated with or on behalf of for their inclusion/exclusion. Especially the ones whom have passed away and the ones with checkered pasts. Also, possibly disagreeing with SDS regarding their player rating..?
Dykstra was on 18
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