Roberto Alomar
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@the_dragon1912 said in Roberto Alomar:
@raesONE said in Roberto Alomar:
Alomar doesn't meet the 80 power threshold, so he's now officially worth 30K instead of 1M.
80 power threshold doesn’t mean jack with a swing like Alomar IMO. No he won’t be worth the price tag but the 80 power threshold is a completely made up thing in my eyes
I disagree. But even if I'm wrong and playing it safe I'll have more power than sub-80 in any position, so don't stand to lose.
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@raesONE said in Roberto Alomar:
@GradektheBard said in Roberto Alomar:
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@GradektheBard said in Roberto Alomar:
Unless they completely separate this card from reality, it won’t have 80+ power though. What made Alomar amazing in 17 was the 99 scale that kept his power reasonable (and very few other decent options at 2b). I see this card as a second base clone of Rollins without the ability to prestige.
I'm gonna take a wild guess and say he'll have 85ish power versus righties and 80-83 versus lefties. 125 contact vs righties, 105 vs lefties.
His power splits are almost identical to Rollins MVP year. I don’t see how they could give Alomar 80 power based on his 1999 gold glove season.
Well they gave him mid 80s power on the 99 scale back in 17. If you translate that to the 125 scale he would have 100 power. But we both know that's not happening, I think the numbers I mentioned are very reasonable but I guess we'll find out.
Just coming on to gloat a bit that I called it. Essentially Rollins at 2b
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@GradektheBard said in Roberto Alomar:
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@GradektheBard said in Roberto Alomar:
@raesONE said in Roberto Alomar:
@GradektheBard said in Roberto Alomar:
Unless they completely separate this card from reality, it won’t have 80+ power though. What made Alomar amazing in 17 was the 99 scale that kept his power reasonable (and very few other decent options at 2b). I see this card as a second base clone of Rollins without the ability to prestige.
I'm gonna take a wild guess and say he'll have 85ish power versus righties and 80-83 versus lefties. 125 contact vs righties, 105 vs lefties.
His power splits are almost identical to Rollins MVP year. I don’t see how they could give Alomar 80 power based on his 1999 gold glove season.
Well they gave him mid 80s power on the 99 scale back in 17. If you translate that to the 125 scale he would have 100 power. But we both know that's not happening, I think the numbers I mentioned are very reasonable but I guess we'll find out.
Just coming on to gloat a bit that I called it. Essentially Rollins at 2b
For sure. I'm disappointed with his contact numbers as well not gonna lie. This card turned out to be an easy pass for me.
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@Jeviduty said in Roberto Alomar:
@the_dragon1912 said in Roberto Alomar:
@raesONE said in Roberto Alomar:
Alomar doesn't meet the 80 power threshold, so he's now officially worth 30K instead of 1M.
80 power threshold doesn’t mean jack with a swing like Alomar IMO. No he won’t be worth the price tag but the 80 power threshold is a completely made up thing in my eyes
I disagree. But even if I'm wrong and playing it safe I'll have more power than sub-80 in any position, so don't stand to lose.
Swing type is the most important thing about a card IMO. If Ripken had 125 across the board for hitting he would still be garbage. Alomar has a practically identical swing to Mondesi, who is universally accepted as a phenomenal swing. I’m using Hornsby at 2nd myself but thats because I’m not going to shell out 500k on a card not named Jimmie Foxx. By no means am I justifying Alomar’s price tag, but I just think the 80 power threshold is a load of garbage. Rollins doesn’t have 80 power until prestiged and he is probably 1a and 1b with Banks as best non-CAP shortstop in the game
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@the_dragon1912 said in Roberto Alomar:
@Jeviduty said in Roberto Alomar:
@the_dragon1912 said in Roberto Alomar:
@raesONE said in Roberto Alomar:
Alomar doesn't meet the 80 power threshold, so he's now officially worth 30K instead of 1M.
80 power threshold doesn’t mean jack with a swing like Alomar IMO. No he won’t be worth the price tag but the 80 power threshold is a completely made up thing in my eyes
I disagree. But even if I'm wrong and playing it safe I'll have more power than sub-80 in any position, so don't stand to lose.
Swing type is the most important thing about a card IMO. If Ripken had 125 across the board for hitting he would still be garbage. Alomar has a practically identical swing to Mondesi, who is universally accepted as a phenomenal swing. I’m using Hornsby at 2nd myself but thats because I’m not going to shell out 500k on a card not named Jimmie Foxx. By no means am I justifying Alomar’s price tag, but I just think the 80 power threshold is a load of garbage. Rollins doesn’t have 80 power until prestiged and he is probably 1a and 1b with Banks as best non-CAP shortstop in the game
I don't think you'll find a sane person here defending Ripken's swing...that's a universal agreement but an extreme example. Relative to second basemen which is where Alomar will be playing, I'd much rather Hornsby, whether Alomar plays up or not. I'm sacrificing defense but so is the person who picks Banks over Jroll.
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@Jeviduty said in Roberto Alomar:
@the_dragon1912 said in Roberto Alomar:
@Jeviduty said in Roberto Alomar:
@the_dragon1912 said in Roberto Alomar:
@raesONE said in Roberto Alomar:
Alomar doesn't meet the 80 power threshold, so he's now officially worth 30K instead of 1M.
80 power threshold doesn’t mean jack with a swing like Alomar IMO. No he won’t be worth the price tag but the 80 power threshold is a completely made up thing in my eyes
I disagree. But even if I'm wrong and playing it safe I'll have more power than sub-80 in any position, so don't stand to lose.
Swing type is the most important thing about a card IMO. If Ripken had 125 across the board for hitting he would still be garbage. Alomar has a practically identical swing to Mondesi, who is universally accepted as a phenomenal swing. I’m using Hornsby at 2nd myself but thats because I’m not going to shell out 500k on a card not named Jimmie Foxx. By no means am I justifying Alomar’s price tag, but I just think the 80 power threshold is a load of garbage. Rollins doesn’t have 80 power until prestiged and he is probably 1a and 1b with Banks as best non-CAP shortstop in the game
I don't think you'll find a sane person here defending Ripken's swing...that's a universal agreement but an extreme example. Relative to second basemen which is where Alomar will be playing, I'd much rather Hornsby, whether Alomar plays up or not. I'm sacrificing defense but so is the person who picks Banks over Jroll.
Which is fine, because Hornsby is still very good and much cheaper. I just think its ridiculous that people that were willing to break the bank for Alomar 6 hours ago now aren’t going to because he doesn’t have 80 power. They just want an excuse to save their stubs
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@the_dragon1912 said in Roberto Alomar:
@Jeviduty said in Roberto Alomar:
@the_dragon1912 said in Roberto Alomar:
@Jeviduty said in Roberto Alomar:
@the_dragon1912 said in Roberto Alomar:
@raesONE said in Roberto Alomar:
Alomar doesn't meet the 80 power threshold, so he's now officially worth 30K instead of 1M.
80 power threshold doesn’t mean jack with a swing like Alomar IMO. No he won’t be worth the price tag but the 80 power threshold is a completely made up thing in my eyes
I disagree. But even if I'm wrong and playing it safe I'll have more power than sub-80 in any position, so don't stand to lose.
Swing type is the most important thing about a card IMO. If Ripken had 125 across the board for hitting he would still be garbage. Alomar has a practically identical swing to Mondesi, who is universally accepted as a phenomenal swing. I’m using Hornsby at 2nd myself but thats because I’m not going to shell out 500k on a card not named Jimmie Foxx. By no means am I justifying Alomar’s price tag, but I just think the 80 power threshold is a load of garbage. Rollins doesn’t have 80 power until prestiged and he is probably 1a and 1b with Banks as best non-CAP shortstop in the game
I don't think you'll find a sane person here defending Ripken's swing...that's a universal agreement but an extreme example. Relative to second basemen which is where Alomar will be playing, I'd much rather Hornsby, whether Alomar plays up or not. I'm sacrificing defense but so is the person who picks Banks over Jroll.
Which is fine, because Hornsby is still very good and much cheaper. I just think its ridiculous that people that were willing to break the bank for Alomar 6 hours ago now aren’t going to because he doesn’t have 80 power. They just want an excuse to save their stubs
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@the_dragon1912 said in Roberto Alomar:
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@allmustfall16 said in Roberto Alomar:
@OreoRockstar said in Roberto Alomar:
Is around 500k where you expect Alomar to settle, similar to Donaldson and Feller?
I think he’s going to be much more than that.
Not with power in the 80s (if he even gets that much) he won’t.
Yes he will go for that much. when people say “the outfield is already loaded why do we need another outfielder” or “this card won’t make my bench” every content drop, it is because they are waiting on Alomar. With the exception of MLB the dumpster fire 18, Alomar has been a top 5 card in the game every other year.
I can see that you’re a big Alomar fan, but guess what- 108/78 and 118/77 isn’t going to cut it lol.
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@Validate_User said in Roberto Alomar:
@the_dragon1912 said in Roberto Alomar:
@Validate_User said in Roberto Alomar:
@allmustfall16 said in Roberto Alomar:
@OreoRockstar said in Roberto Alomar:
Is around 500k where you expect Alomar to settle, similar to Donaldson and Feller?
I think he’s going to be much more than that.
Not with power in the 80s (if he even gets that much) he won’t.
Yes he will go for that much. when people say “the outfield is already loaded why do we need another outfielder” or “this card won’t make my bench” every content drop, it is because they are waiting on Alomar. With the exception of MLB the dumpster fire 18, Alomar has been a top 5 card in the game every other year.
I can see that you’re a big Alomar fan, but guess what- 108/78 and 118/77 isn’t going to cut it lol.
And if it was 108/80 and 118/80 it would? I promise you if this card was an inning boss again(which I know he wasn’t going to be), you wouldn’t see anyone else at 2B all year. Not once have I justified that his price tag will be worth it.
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So we can surmise Alomar is a bust this year for the price, but that Wagner card
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@Jeviduty said in Roberto Alomar:
@the_dragon1912 said in Roberto Alomar:
@Jeviduty said in Roberto Alomar:
@the_dragon1912 said in Roberto Alomar:
@raesONE said in Roberto Alomar:
Alomar doesn't meet the 80 power threshold, so he's now officially worth 30K instead of 1M.
80 power threshold doesn’t mean jack with a swing like Alomar IMO. No he won’t be worth the price tag but the 80 power threshold is a completely made up thing in my eyes
I disagree. But even if I'm wrong and playing it safe I'll have more power than sub-80 in any position, so don't stand to lose.
Swing type is the most important thing about a card IMO. If Ripken had 125 across the board for hitting he would still be garbage. Alomar has a practically identical swing to Mondesi, who is universally accepted as a phenomenal swing. I’m using Hornsby at 2nd myself but thats because I’m not going to shell out 500k on a card not named Jimmie Foxx. By no means am I justifying Alomar’s price tag, but I just think the 80 power threshold is a load of garbage. Rollins doesn’t have 80 power until prestiged and he is probably 1a and 1b with Banks as best non-CAP shortstop in the game
I don't think you'll find a sane person here defending Ripken's swing...that's a universal agreement but an extreme example. Relative to second basemen which is where Alomar will be playing, I'd much rather Hornsby, whether Alomar plays up or not. I'm sacrificing defense but so is the person who picks Banks over Jroll.
I agree, definitely sticking with Hornsby. The defense is kinda meh but the bat is unmatched.
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@the_dragon1912 said in Roberto Alomar:
@Validate_User said in Roberto Alomar:
@the_dragon1912 said in Roberto Alomar:
@Validate_User said in Roberto Alomar:
@allmustfall16 said in Roberto Alomar:
@OreoRockstar said in Roberto Alomar:
Is around 500k where you expect Alomar to settle, similar to Donaldson and Feller?
I think he’s going to be much more than that.
Not with power in the 80s (if he even gets that much) he won’t.
Yes he will go for that much. when people say “the outfield is already loaded why do we need another outfielder” or “this card won’t make my bench” every content drop, it is because they are waiting on Alomar. With the exception of MLB the dumpster fire 18, Alomar has been a top 5 card in the game every other year.
I can see that you’re a big Alomar fan, but guess what- 108/78 and 118/77 isn’t going to cut it lol.
And if it was 108/80 and 118/80 it would? I promise you if this card was an inning boss again(which I know he wasn’t going to be), you wouldn’t see anyone else at 2B all year. Not once have I justified that his price tag will be worth it.
No, but 85+ on power both sides he would enter the conversation. Contrary to popular belief, this game plays differently year in and year out. So basing your experience on the previous years means nothing with the card, we have wayyyy more options this year at 2B. He’s just not going to cut it for that price in 20
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Yeah and swing type was mentioned as a factor but didi has what I consider the best swing, and best do doubt animation with sold power stats to match. And he’s free. Sure the defense is silver not gold and he’s 74 instead of 86 speed but he’s serviceable defensively and not slow. And his bat is far superior, also w didi I love him just as much against lefties as righties. His attributes would suggest otherwise but he has insane power against lefties, it’s that sweet fast swing, taking it to the pullside, seems to activate the no doubt animation more than not if you can be a little early
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@MaxHarvest said in Roberto Alomar:
Yeah and swing type was mentioned as a factor but didi has what I consider the best swing, and best do doubt animation with sold power stats to match. And he’s free. Sure the defense is silver not gold and he’s 74 instead of 86 speed but he’s serviceable defensively and not slow. And his bat is far superior, also w didi I love him just as much against lefties as righties. His attributes would suggest otherwise but he has insane power against lefties, it’s that sweet fast swing, taking it to the pullside, seems to activate the no doubt animation more than not if you can be a little early
Have you seen that Ricky Henderson no doubt animation?
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@Validate_User said in Roberto Alomar:
@the_dragon1912 said in Roberto Alomar:
@Validate_User said in Roberto Alomar:
@the_dragon1912 said in Roberto Alomar:
@Validate_User said in Roberto Alomar:
@allmustfall16 said in Roberto Alomar:
@OreoRockstar said in Roberto Alomar:
Is around 500k where you expect Alomar to settle, similar to Donaldson and Feller?
I think he’s going to be much more than that.
Not with power in the 80s (if he even gets that much) he won’t.
Yes he will go for that much. when people say “the outfield is already loaded why do we need another outfielder” or “this card won’t make my bench” every content drop, it is because they are waiting on Alomar. With the exception of MLB the dumpster fire 18, Alomar has been a top 5 card in the game every other year.
I can see that you’re a big Alomar fan, but guess what- 108/78 and 118/77 isn’t going to cut it lol.
And if it was 108/80 and 118/80 it would? I promise you if this card was an inning boss again(which I know he wasn’t going to be), you wouldn’t see anyone else at 2B all year. Not once have I justified that his price tag will be worth it.
No, but 85+ on power both sides he would enter the conversation. Contrary to popular belief, this game plays differently year in and year out. So basing your experience on the previous years means nothing with the card, we have wayyyy more options this year at 2B. He’s just not going to cut it for that price in 20
Kinda true, that Alomar pretty much had LS altuve to compete with back then lol. The game is just different now. A one year card isn’t going to match an all time card like Hornsby or a jacked up HRD card like Cano. And 85+ is still lite in my opinion. I’ve been using the Vlad Sr with 84 power and the ball ends at the track all the time. I don’t think bomber does anything and SDS just doesn’t want to go back on there words that slipped on stream.
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Underwhelming card, I'm gonna stick with HRD Cano. Rollins stats are better
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I just play Chipper Jones at 2b.
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Going to pass on Alomar I think. It hurts saying that though. Thought he’d be juiced.
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@allmustfall16 said in Roberto Alomar:
Going to pass on Alomar I think. It hurts saying that though. Thought he’d be juiced.
Smart move, it’s a very underwhelming card, didi is better and 99 tatis POTM, if this is a preview of that card then he would plug into to 2b also
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@allmustfall16 said in Roberto Alomar:
Going to pass on Alomar I think. It hurts saying that though. Thought he’d be juiced.
Save the 750 you had to spend for something you really want, lots more coming out.
