Pulling outside pitches for doubles.
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@PAinPA said in Pulling outside pitches for doubles.:
@mitchhammond24 said in Pulling outside pitches for doubles.:
A very okay swing that goes out for a no doubter gets to me because that swing type is rewarded yet a good squared is often an out
In 19 it wasn't rewarded, in the beta it was and if the release game is only half as good as beta, we should all be pleased.
Not sure what game you are playing. I have given up hundreds of HR's off "okay" feedback.
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@MrGamebred said in Pulling outside pitches for doubles.:
@dbarmonstar said in Pulling outside pitches for doubles.:
So reward them with HR's? High and outside or up and in or above the head and still hit for HR's?
I've only been to about 15 MLB games and I've seen all 3 of those pitches get raked live, so it does happen. And unless those pitches get spammed, those things aren't all that common unless you're playing an elite hitter.
Not by elite pitchers come on get real it happens way to much in this game. is it possible to hit those pitches yeah but not for hit after hit after hit after hit and then HR get out of here, pitching is more broke on this game then hitting. Pitching is laughable in this game. You can throw a perfect pitch in a perfect location but then it hangs down the middle for you opponent to crush a HR, yeah pitching is more frustrating then hitting in this game.
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@MrGamebred said in Pulling outside pitches for doubles.:
@dbarmonstar said in Pulling outside pitches for doubles.:
So reward them with HR's? High and outside or up and in or above the head and still hit for HR's?
I've only been to about 15 MLB games and I've seen all 3 of those pitches get raked live, so it does happen. And unless those pitches get spammed, those things aren't all that common unless you're playing an elite hitter.
Of course it happens. Problem is you can't code for every possible outcome in a baseball game. It should really be simplified to:
Inside pitch - early, good swings
Middle - early, good and late swings
Outside - good and lateLate swings on inside pitches and early swings on outside pitches should rarely go for a hit. I am talking maybe 5%. Very early and very late swings should result in misses 100% of the time. These issues, connection issues and Little Billy code (which does exist and if it continues will come out some day like Madden) make this game so much less enjoyable than it should be.
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@D_e_m_I_s_E said in Pulling outside pitches for doubles.:
Of course it happens. Problem is you can't code for every possible outcome in a baseball game. It should really be simplified to:
Inside pitch - early, good swings
Middle - early, good and late swings
Outside - good and lateLate swings on inside pitches and early swings on outside pitches should rarely go for a hit. I am talking maybe 5%. Very early and very late swings should result in misses 100% of the time. These issues, connection issues and Little Billy code (which does exist and if it continues will come out some day like Madden) make this game so much less enjoyable than it should be.
I don't agree completely. I mean they can't just simplify like that. It would complete nullify inside-out hitting, or hitting against the shift, which requires you to be just late or late.(2 examples of many) id say they are moving in the right direction with the hit variety and am optimistic in 20 that they're going to balance out those very late or jammed hits. I agree there is some sort of little Billy code, but I don't think it's as prevelant as the fact they just miscalculated how this, relatively new, hitting engine works and the randomness. Along, with the connection issues, which you're pretty much spot on about. They are selling the "skill gap" concept hard though, so I'll believe its heading in the right direction until I see them start patching stuff left and right.
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@LankyRyan said in Pulling outside pitches for doubles.:
Wood bats are typically - 2 but can also be - 0 or weigh more than the length. The maximum allowable in most adult wood bat leagues (including mlb) is a - 3
Yeah I was confused because I play high school ball and of course that's already -3
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@dbarmonstar said in Pulling outside pitches for doubles.:
Not by elite pitchers come on get real it happens way to much in this game. is it possible to hit those pitches yeah but not for hit after hit after hit after hit and then HR get out of here, pitching is more broke on this game then hitting. Pitching is laughable in this game. You can throw a perfect pitch in a perfect location but then it hangs down the middle for you opponent to crush a HR, yeah pitching is more frustrating then hitting in this game.
Depends on a lot of different things like confidence, wether or not the pitch is being spammed, depends on the batters strengths, etc. I will agree with you on the fact that the pitch location randomness was a real problem, but it appears they're trying to fix that for 20.
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@MrGamebred said in Pulling outside pitches for doubles.:
@D_e_m_I_s_E said in Pulling outside pitches for doubles.:
Of course it happens. Problem is you can't code for every possible outcome in a baseball game. It should really be simplified to:
Inside pitch - early, good swings
Middle - early, good and late swings
Outside - good and lateLate swings on inside pitches and early swings on outside pitches should rarely go for a hit. I am talking maybe 5%. Very early and very late swings should result in misses 100% of the time. These issues, connection issues and Little Billy code (which does exist and if it continues will come out some day like Madden) make this game so much less enjoyable than it should be.
I don't agree completely. I mean they can't just simplify like that. It would complete nullify inside-out hitting, or hitting against the shift, which requires you to be just late or late.(2 examples of many) id say they are moving in the right direction with the hit variety and am optimistic in 20 that they're going to balance out those very late or jammed hits. I agree there is some sort of little Billy code, but I don't think it's as prevelant as the fact they just miscalculated how this, relatively new, hitting engine works and the randomness. Along, with the connection issues, which you're pretty much spot on about. They are selling the "skill gap" concept hard though, so I'll believe its heading in the right direction until I see them start patching stuff left and right.
You can be just late or late on a middle or away pitch. So you want to hit rockets on inside pitches with late swings? Like I said, you simply can't code for all the variables in baseball. This is a fair way to simplify it. Hit the pitch where you should and don't reward the outliers like pulling outside pitches or late on inside pitches even though they do exist but at a fairly small percentage.
The skill gap and Little Billy code will not go anywhere if they sold more last year and they think that is the reason. If they think it was a detriment to sales, then it will disappear.
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@D_e_m_I_s_E said in Pulling outside pitches for doubles.:
@MrGamebred said in Pulling outside pitches for doubles.:
@dbarmonstar said in Pulling outside pitches for doubles.:
So reward them with HR's? High and outside or up and in or above the head and still hit for HR's?
I've only been to about 15 MLB games and I've seen all 3 of those pitches get raked live, so it does happen. And unless those pitches get spammed, those things aren't all that common unless you're playing an elite hitter.
Of course it happens. Problem is you can't code for every possible outcome in a baseball game. It should really be simplified to:
Inside pitch - early, good swings
Middle - early, good and late swings
Outside - good and lateLate swings on inside pitches and early swings on outside pitches should rarely go for a hit. I am talking maybe 5%. Very early and very late swings should result in misses 100% of the time. These issues, connection issues and Little Billy code (which does exist and if it continues will come out some day like Madden) make this game so much less enjoyable than it should be.
Bruh, go watch some Vladdy videos. You can easily pull a pitch on the outter 3rd of the plate. Did you play at a high level?
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@D_e_m_I_s_E said in Pulling outside pitches for doubles.:
@MrGamebred said in Pulling outside pitches for doubles.:
@D_e_m_I_s_E said in Pulling outside pitches for doubles.:
Of course it happens. Problem is you can't code for every possible outcome in a baseball game. It should really be simplified to:
Inside pitch - early, good swings
Middle - early, good and late swings
Outside - good and lateLate swings on inside pitches and early swings on outside pitches should rarely go for a hit. I am talking maybe 5%. Very early and very late swings should result in misses 100% of the time. These issues, connection issues and Little Billy code (which does exist and if it continues will come out some day like Madden) make this game so much less enjoyable than it should be.
I don't agree completely. I mean they can't just simplify like that. It would complete nullify inside-out hitting, or hitting against the shift, which requires you to be just late or late.(2 examples of many) id say they are moving in the right direction with the hit variety and am optimistic in 20 that they're going to balance out those very late or jammed hits. I agree there is some sort of little Billy code, but I don't think it's as prevelant as the fact they just miscalculated how this, relatively new, hitting engine works and the randomness. Along, with the connection issues, which you're pretty much spot on about. They are selling the "skill gap" concept hard though, so I'll believe its heading in the right direction until I see them start patching stuff left and right.
You can be just late or late on a middle or away pitch. So you want to hit rockets on inside pitches with late swings? Like I said, you simply can't code for all the variables in baseball. This is a fair way to simplify it. Hit the pitch where you should and don't reward the outliers like pulling outside pitches or late on inside pitches even though they do exist but at a fairly small percentage.
The skill gap and Little Billy code will not go anywhere if they sold more last year and they think that is the reason. If they think it was a detriment to sales, then it will disappear.
You can also be early on a middle or away pitch and pull it...
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@D_e_m_I_s_E said in Pulling outside pitches for doubles.:
You can be just late or late on a middle or away pitch. So you want to hit rockets on inside pitches with late swings? Like I said, you simply can't code for all the variables in baseball. This is a fair way to simplify it. Hit the pitch where you should and don't reward the outliers like pulling outside pitches or late on inside pitches even though they do exist but at a fairly small percentage.
The skill gap and Little Billy code will not go anywhere if they sold more last year and they think that is the reason. If they think it was a detriment to sales, then it will disappear.
I do not want to hit rockets being late on inside pitches, but I don't think it's all that rare to go the other way for extra bases or at least for a nice single. I also don't see as big of issues in the game with those results, more the jammed hits and early/okay stuff. I just don't think it'd be simple or fair doing it that way though. I also wish it was 100% perfectly realistic and input based, but they probably aren't capable of that, yet.
And the little Billy code is not what drove sales, that was probably more content based than anything. But you're not crazy for saying it exists to some capacity, but it's just not really THAT apparent and I'm not convinced it's not really more of connection issue, along with the randomness of things. Like I said though, I'll stay optimistic they're trying to take steps in the right direction and give 20 a chance.
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@cvogsfashow said in Pulling outside pitches for doubles.:
@D_e_m_I_s_E said in Pulling outside pitches for doubles.:
@MrGamebred said in Pulling outside pitches for doubles.:
@dbarmonstar said in Pulling outside pitches for doubles.:
So reward them with HR's? High and outside or up and in or above the head and still hit for HR's?
I've only been to about 15 MLB games and I've seen all 3 of those pitches get raked live, so it does happen. And unless those pitches get spammed, those things aren't all that common unless you're playing an elite hitter.
Of course it happens. Problem is you can't code for every possible outcome in a baseball game. It should really be simplified to:
Inside pitch - early, good swings
Middle - early, good and late swings
Outside - good and lateLate swings on inside pitches and early swings on outside pitches should rarely go for a hit. I am talking maybe 5%. Very early and very late swings should result in misses 100% of the time. These issues, connection issues and Little Billy code (which does exist and if it continues will come out some day like Madden) make this game so much less enjoyable than it should be.
Bruh, go watch some Vladdy videos. You can easily pull a pitch on the outter 3rd of the plate. Did you play at a high level?
I actually got paid to play. AA ball. 100% had big league ability, just got lazy and partied during the off season instead of working out. As I have said before, I know people do it. However, you can't code for every variable in baseball.
You are missing my point. Vlady hit a ball that bounced on the ground. Canseco got hit in the head with a fly ball, Randy Johnson hit a bird with a pitch. Yes, these things happen but you can't code for everything.
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@SefarR said in Pulling outside pitches for doubles.:
@abbyspapa said in Pulling outside pitches for doubles.:
Someone needs to watch some Vladdy Guerrero clips. That beast could pull a pitch for a double (often more) if it was 2 feet outside/inside/high/low.
Yes, Vladdy was even able to hit pitches that bounced off the dirt. That doesn't mean that it should be possible/should happen frequently in a competitive video game.
If pitches outside the zone can be consistently hit for power then what advantage is left for the pitcher? In order for pitching to make any sense, swinging on pitches outside the zone has to be punished, not rewarded.
Well actually it does mean that it should be possible, but I agree with you that it should not be as frequently rewarded as it is in this game.
Personally I feel that this happens mostly at AS and below. HOF and up seems to punish swinging at bad pitches fairly good.
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@JustASeal0 said in Pulling outside pitches for doubles.:
@LankyRyan said in Pulling outside pitches for doubles.:
Wood bats are typically - 2 but can also be - 0 or weigh more than the length. The maximum allowable in most adult wood bat leagues (including mlb) is a - 3
Yeah I was confused because I play high school ball and of course that's already -3
Yeah the -3 BBCORS and composites all swing pretty similarly as long as they're not just rolled alloy. It's usually just a standard barrel diameter and length and then they upcharge you for the brand/materials used. It takes players a long time to get used to wood bats simply because there's so much variety. Different turning models have different sized everything (knob, grip, shaft, barrel, cupped end/no cupped, etc.) and most crucial: they're balanced differently. If you've got strong wrists and tend to pull the ball, you're likely going to go with a top-heavy turning model. If you've got an inside out swing, you're probably going to go with a knob heavy model which means a smaller barrel.
Most professional ballplayers over a certain income level have bats custom made/weighted/balanced specifically for their swing. My favorite turning model was the R271 until they discontinued it, then switched to the M9.
All those bats on the bat rack aren't just spares of the same. Ballplayers have different bats to allow for more situational hitting, too (lighter ash bats for high velo, knob heavy bats to push the ball other way when a runner is on 3rd, super heavy bats to help you stay back on the offspeed, etc.)
This totally wasn't the point of the thread, but the number of options and the science behind it all is straight up fascinating.
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@LankyRyan said in Pulling outside pitches for doubles.:
@JustASeal0 said in Pulling outside pitches for doubles.:
@LankyRyan said in Pulling outside pitches for doubles.:
Wood bats are typically - 2 but can also be - 0 or weigh more than the length. The maximum allowable in most adult wood bat leagues (including mlb) is a - 3
Yeah I was confused because I play high school ball and of course that's already -3
Yeah the -3 BBCORS and composites all swing pretty similarly as long as they're not just rolled alloy. It's usually just a standard barrel diameter and length and then they upcharge you for the brand/materials used. It takes players a long time to get used to wood bats simply because there's so much variety. Different turning models have different sized everything (knob, grip, shaft, barrel, cupped end/no cupped, etc.) and most crucial: they're balanced differently. If you've got strong wrists and tend to pull the ball, you're likely going to go with a top-heavy turning model. If you've got an inside out swing, you're probably going to go with a knob heavy model which means a smaller barrel.
Most professional ballplayers over a certain income level have bats custom made/weighted/balanced specifically for their swing. My favorite turning model was the R271 until they discontinued it, then switched to the M9.
All those bats on the bat rack aren't just spares of the same. Ballplayers have different bats to allow for more situational hitting, too (lighter ash bats for high velo, knob heavy bats to push the ball other way when a runner is on 3rd, super heavy bats to help you stay back on the offspeed, etc.)
This totally wasn't the point of the thread, but the number of options and the science behind it all is straight up fascinating.
Man I can't wait to get my first wood bat, I'm fascinated by Axe bats specifically
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@JustASeal0 said in Pulling outside pitches for doubles.:
@LankyRyan said in Pulling outside pitches for doubles.:
@JustASeal0 said in Pulling outside pitches for doubles.:
@LankyRyan said in Pulling outside pitches for doubles.:
Wood bats are typically - 2 but can also be - 0 or weigh more than the length. The maximum allowable in most adult wood bat leagues (including mlb) is a - 3
Yeah I was confused because I play high school ball and of course that's already -3
Yeah the -3 BBCORS and composites all swing pretty similarly as long as they're not just rolled alloy. It's usually just a standard barrel diameter and length and then they upcharge you for the brand/materials used. It takes players a long time to get used to wood bats simply because there's so much variety. Different turning models have different sized everything (knob, grip, shaft, barrel, cupped end/no cupped, etc.) and most crucial: they're balanced differently. If you've got strong wrists and tend to pull the ball, you're likely going to go with a top-heavy turning model. If you've got an inside out swing, you're probably going to go with a knob heavy model which means a smaller barrel.
Most professional ballplayers over a certain income level have bats custom made/weighted/balanced specifically for their swing. My favorite turning model was the R271 until they discontinued it, then switched to the M9.
All those bats on the bat rack aren't just spares of the same. Ballplayers have different bats to allow for more situational hitting, too (lighter ash bats for high velo, knob heavy bats to push the ball other way when a runner is on 3rd, super heavy bats to help you stay back on the offspeed, etc.)
This totally wasn't the point of the thread, but the number of options and the science behind it all is straight up fascinating.
Man I can't wait to get my first wood bat, I'm fascinated by Axe bats specifically
Those handles are awesome. Some dudes I used to play with had some ghetto rigged version where they whittled the knob down and squared off the grip which I always thought they were insane for, but now I get it. The Axe 271 is based off my favorite bat of all time, the R271 so I'm sure I'd be fantasizing over it if I still played lol
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@LankyRyan said in Pulling outside pitches for doubles.:
@JustASeal0 said in Pulling outside pitches for doubles.:
@LankyRyan said in Pulling outside pitches for doubles.:
@JustASeal0 said in Pulling outside pitches for doubles.:
@LankyRyan said in Pulling outside pitches for doubles.:
Wood bats are typically - 2 but can also be - 0 or weigh more than the length. The maximum allowable in most adult wood bat leagues (including mlb) is a - 3
Yeah I was confused because I play high school ball and of course that's already -3
Yeah the -3 BBCORS and composites all swing pretty similarly as long as they're not just rolled alloy. It's usually just a standard barrel diameter and length and then they upcharge you for the brand/materials used. It takes players a long time to get used to wood bats simply because there's so much variety. Different turning models have different sized everything (knob, grip, shaft, barrel, cupped end/no cupped, etc.) and most crucial: they're balanced differently. If you've got strong wrists and tend to pull the ball, you're likely going to go with a top-heavy turning model. If you've got an inside out swing, you're probably going to go with a knob heavy model which means a smaller barrel.
Most professional ballplayers over a certain income level have bats custom made/weighted/balanced specifically for their swing. My favorite turning model was the R271 until they discontinued it, then switched to the M9.
All those bats on the bat rack aren't just spares of the same. Ballplayers have different bats to allow for more situational hitting, too (lighter ash bats for high velo, knob heavy bats to push the ball other way when a runner is on 3rd, super heavy bats to help you stay back on the offspeed, etc.)
This totally wasn't the point of the thread, but the number of options and the science behind it all is straight up fascinating.
Man I can't wait to get my first wood bat, I'm fascinated by Axe bats specifically
Those handles are awesome. Some dudes I used to play with had some ghetto rigged version where they whittled the knob down and squared off the grip which I always thought they were insane for, but now I get it. The Axe 271 is based off my favorite bat of all time, the R271 so I'm sure I'd be fantasizing over it if I still played lol
Thanks for the knowledge, I'm super excited for the future
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@abbyspapa said in Pulling outside pitches for doubles.:
Someone needs to watch some Vladdy Guerrero clips. That beast could pull a pitch for a double (often more) if it was 2 feet outside/inside/high/low.
This makes no sense...that's like me saying go to a club and get all the girls number.. you say that's impossible...I say someone needs to watch a video of leonardo di caprio in a club....that's leonardo di caprio...not everyone...
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@tomivory23 said in Pulling outside pitches for doubles.:
@abbyspapa said in Pulling outside pitches for doubles.:
Someone needs to watch some Vladdy Guerrero clips. That beast could pull a pitch for a double (often more) if it was 2 feet outside/inside/high/low.
This makes no sense...that's like me saying go to a club and get all the girls number.. you say that's impossible...I say someone needs to watch a video of leonardo di caprio in a club....that's leonardo di caprio...not everyone...
Indeed that false analogy does not make sense. No one is saying every outside pitch is pulled for a double, only that it happens too frequently.
A more accurate analogy would be you saying go to a club and get a number from a 9 or 10.
It may rarely happen for you or I, but it happens more frequently for Di Caprio.
Because stats have an impact lol.
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@abbyspapa said in Pulling outside pitches for doubles.:
@tomivory23 said in Pulling outside pitches for doubles.:
@abbyspapa said in Pulling outside pitches for doubles.:
Someone needs to watch some Vladdy Guerrero clips. That beast could pull a pitch for a double (often more) if it was 2 feet outside/inside/high/low.
This makes no sense...that's like me saying go to a club and get all the girls number.. you say that's impossible...I say someone needs to watch a video of leonardo di caprio in a club....that's leonardo di caprio...not everyone...
Indeed that false analogy does not make sense. No one is saying every outside pitch is pulled for a double, only that it happens too frequently.
A more accurate analogy would be you saying go to a club and get a number from a 9 or 10.
It may rarely happen for you or I, but it happens more frequently for Di Caprio.
Because stats have an impact lol.
Being early on a pitch on the outer third happens a lot in baseball.
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Was that R271 the Louisville? I think I know that bat.
