LOL Dodgers & Astros.
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@byrdman-10 said in LOL Dodgers & Astros.:
@dbarmonstar said in LOL Dodgers & Astros.:
@byrdman-10 said in LOL Dodgers & Astros.:
@byrdman-10 said in LOL Dodgers & Astros.:
@EJWalsh said in LOL Dodgers & Astros.:
Sorry, but the Astros have been cheating since 17. When did they get good? Oh right, 17! In my book they have not won anything yet because they cheated. Now I know my "book" does not matter to anybody but me, but they still have to prove themselves to me and a lot of other fans out there. I don't think people should be proud of a team that had to cheat to win. Just my opinion.
Not true go do your homework, that started in 2015. Were they wrong, absolutely but just sick and tired of Dodger fans still crying three years later when they did not to enough in that series to win anyway.
And were pretty good in 2018 and 2019.
The series went 7 games, how is that not enough when you have to overcome cheating, yeah they did enough to win that series if the tros did not cheat. I am a dodger fan, We will never know who would of really won if the astros did not cheat. I am not over here crying about it. The thing that upset people is how MLB handled the situation, the players got away with cheating that was the problem. The Tros won but it is now tainted and you can not say the dodger would not have won if the Astros did not cheat. I will not saying dodger would have won but now it leaves a lot of question marks and put a Black eye on the 2017 WS. Most fans never cared about the Astros and now they are hated by most fans to me it's sad as a baseball fan not just a dodger fan.
And most fans can't stand the arrogant Dodgers. Add to that Joe Kelly who won a WS with the Red Sox using the same scheme takes it upon himself to try and seriously injure another player, he will get his. He fits right in with your club, bunch of hypocrites.
I do not think I am an arrogant dodger fan, The Red Sox were investigated so stop bringing them into it they have nothing to do with 2017. The Astros brought this on themselves with petty and not honest apology and they all seem it was not a big deal to cheat some do not even think what they did was wrong. talk about arrogant the Astro players are very arrogant. Like I already said I am not saying the dodger would have one but we will never know cause the Astros felt they had to cheat to win so what does that say about them. They felt the dodger were that much better than them that they needed to cheat?
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@byrdman-10 said in LOL Dodgers & Astros.:
No one is Houston is happy with what happened but there is no way to know who would have won.. Love your comment that the Dodgers got screwed out of another ring, see a pattern here?
Plus throwing as someones head is how you get back, do you condone that?
The dodgers did get screwed cause the Astros had to cheat to win, The Astros did win straight up now did they.
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@byrdman-10 said in LOL Dodgers & Astros.:
No one is Houston is happy with what happened but there is no way to know who would have won.. Love your comment that the Dodgers got screwed out of another ring, see a pattern here?
Plus throwing as someones head is how you get back, do you condone that?
I am not condoning nothing, but what did baseball think was going to happen what did the players of the Astros think was going to happen, This is on the Commissioner
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@byrdman-10 said in LOL Dodgers & Astros.:
No one is Houston is happy with what happened but there is no way to know who would have won.. Love your comment that the Dodgers got screwed out of another ring, see a pattern here?
Plus throwing as someones head is how you get back, do you condone that?
I have not seen or heard one Astro fan come out and say we do not deserve that championship cause we cheated. Astro fans are saying it is wrong but turn around and defend it and start like you did the dodger lost at home which has nothing to do with the Astros cheating which black mark the 2017 WS.
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Think everyone expected it, but if I am a player I will not tolerate having someone throwing at me and risking my career. Agree MLB did not handle it well. Are you really that naive to think the Astros were the only ones? They got caught..
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@byrdman-10 said in LOL Dodgers & Astros.:
Think everyone expected it, but if I am a player I will not tolerate having someone throwing at me and risking my career. Agree MLB did not handle it well. Are you really that naive to think the Astros were the only ones? They got caught..
Yeah dodgers were cheating that is why they hit so well in that series, You have no proof of all the teams cheating. Stick to the fact of what we have. Stop already with everyone is doing it so it makes it ok. They got caught the players should have been suspended and the WS championship should have been voided.
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@dbarmonstar said in LOL Dodgers & Astros.:
@byrdman-10 said in LOL Dodgers & Astros.:
No one is Houston is happy with what happened but there is no way to know who would have won.. Love your comment that the Dodgers got screwed out of another ring, see a pattern here?
Plus throwing as someones head is how you get back, do you condone that?
I am not condoning nothing, but what did baseball think was going to happen what did the players of the Astros think was going to happen, This is on the Commissioner
Even though I very much dislike Jomboy media and his childish ways, he probably said it best when he said he though Correa and Bregman handled it great. Yes because they knew they would have to deal with pitches coming out at them, both Correa and Bregman did nothing when Kelly threw at them. They handled as they should, just as they suspected it would happen. Nothing got fired up until Kelly told Correa "nice swing B^^^h." And made that face. If there was nothing but great history between 2 teams that alone will cause a stir. This had nothing to do with Dodgers Astros 2017. This was Joe Kelly being himself.
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@ChuckCLC said in LOL Dodgers & Astros.:
@dbarmonstar said in LOL Dodgers & Astros.:
@byrdman-10 said in LOL Dodgers & Astros.:
No one is Houston is happy with what happened but there is no way to know who would have won.. Love your comment that the Dodgers got screwed out of another ring, see a pattern here?
Plus throwing as someones head is how you get back, do you condone that?
I am not condoning nothing, but what did baseball think was going to happen what did the players of the Astros think was going to happen, This is on the Commissioner
Even though I very much dislike Jomboy media and his childish ways, he probably said it best when he said he though Correa and Bregman handled it great. Yes because they knew they would have to deal with pitches coming out them, both Correa and Bregman did nothing when Kelly threw at them. They handled as they should, just as they suspected it would happen. Nothing got fired up until Kelly told Correa "nice swing B^^^h." And made that face. If there was nothing but great history between 2 teams that alone will cause a stir.
Personally I did not think they should be throwing at them in the way the game has changed not worth the suspension, that is old school baseball I can tell you that.
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@ChuckCLC said in LOL Dodgers & Astros.:
@dbarmonstar said in LOL Dodgers & Astros.:
@byrdman-10 said in LOL Dodgers & Astros.:
No one is Houston is happy with what happened but there is no way to know who would have won.. Love your comment that the Dodgers got screwed out of another ring, see a pattern here?
Plus throwing as someones head is how you get back, do you condone that?
I am not condoning nothing, but what did baseball think was going to happen what did the players of the Astros think was going to happen, This is on the Commissioner
Even though I very much dislike Jomboy media and his childish ways, he probably said it best when he said he though Correa and Bregman handled it great. Yes because they knew they would have to deal with pitches coming out at them, both Correa and Bregman did nothing when Kelly threw at them. They handled as they should, just as they suspected it would happen. Nothing got fired up until Kelly told Correa "nice swing B^^^h." And made that face. If there was nothing but great history between 2 teams that alone will cause a stir. This had nothing to do with Dodgers Astros 2017. This was Joe Kelly being himself.
Do you think the Astros deserve the 2017 championship. Correa interview when all this came made himself look bad saying they still earned the championship. that is the problem the players have no remorse or even think what they did was wrong. They are only sorry cause they got caught
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@dbarmonstar said in LOL Dodgers & Astros.:
@ChuckCLC said in LOL Dodgers & Astros.:
@dbarmonstar said in LOL Dodgers & Astros.:
@byrdman-10 said in LOL Dodgers & Astros.:
No one is Houston is happy with what happened but there is no way to know who would have won.. Love your comment that the Dodgers got screwed out of another ring, see a pattern here?
Plus throwing as someones head is how you get back, do you condone that?
I am not condoning nothing, but what did baseball think was going to happen what did the players of the Astros think was going to happen, This is on the Commissioner
Even though I very much dislike Jomboy media and his childish ways, he probably said it best when he said he though Correa and Bregman handled it great. Yes because they knew they would have to deal with pitches coming out at them, both Correa and Bregman did nothing when Kelly threw at them. They handled as they should, just as they suspected it would happen. Nothing got fired up until Kelly told Correa "nice swing B^^^h." And made that face. If there was nothing but great history between 2 teams that alone will cause a stir. This had nothing to do with Dodgers Astros 2017. This was Joe Kelly being himself.
Do you think the Astros deserve the 2017 championship. Correa interview when all this came made himself look bad saying they still earned the championship. that is the problem the players have no remorse or even think what they did was wrong.
It just doesnt matter. It was already celebrated and there is no way of knowing what would have changed. Plus there was that whole game 7 in LA where the Dodgers laid an egg. So IDK. Also there is no breakdown on when the Astros actually used the electronics in that series. So it really becomes kinda hard to decide anything. But in the end, it doesnt matter. Taking it from them does nothing to them or even the fans. It all already happened and was celebrated. Thats like your parents taking away a trip to Six Flags when you were younger. Ok, fine, take it away, but it already happened lol.
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Everyone knows they cheated. The way that pitcher played was BS and he should be fined for it. He could of seriously hurt someone
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@ChuckCLC said in LOL Dodgers & Astros.:
@dbarmonstar said in LOL Dodgers & Astros.:
@ChuckCLC said in LOL Dodgers & Astros.:
@dbarmonstar said in LOL Dodgers & Astros.:
@byrdman-10 said in LOL Dodgers & Astros.:
No one is Houston is happy with what happened but there is no way to know who would have won.. Love your comment that the Dodgers got screwed out of another ring, see a pattern here?
Plus throwing as someones head is how you get back, do you condone that?
I am not condoning nothing, but what did baseball think was going to happen what did the players of the Astros think was going to happen, This is on the Commissioner
Even though I very much dislike Jomboy media and his childish ways, he probably said it best when he said he though Correa and Bregman handled it great. Yes because they knew they would have to deal with pitches coming out at them, both Correa and Bregman did nothing when Kelly threw at them. They handled as they should, just as they suspected it would happen. Nothing got fired up until Kelly told Correa "nice swing B^^^h." And made that face. If there was nothing but great history between 2 teams that alone will cause a stir. This had nothing to do with Dodgers Astros 2017. This was Joe Kelly being himself.
Do you think the Astros deserve the 2017 championship. Correa interview when all this came made himself look bad saying they still earned the championship. that is the problem the players have no remorse or even think what they did was wrong.
It just doesnt matter. It was already celebrated and there is no way of knowing what would have changed. Plus there was that whole game 7 in LA where the Dodgers laid an egg. So IDK. Also there is no breakdown on when the Astros actually used the electronics in that series. So it really becomes kinda hard to decide anything. But in the end, it doesnt matter. Taking it from them does nothing to them or even the fans. It all already happened and was celebrated. Thats like your parents taking away a trip to Six Flags when you were younger. Ok, fine, take it away, but it already happened lol.
I will agree we will never know, I disagree it does matter in the records books and for the fans. Yeah it was celebrated but not earned or deserved. The memory of them winning yes but cheating to do it. That game against Darvish i am pretty sure they knew everything that was comeing. You void out that WS the Astros have 0 championship by records. Now it goes down in the books as the Astros did not cheat to win, in the books it will Astros won the series 4-3 for there first title. The saddest part is that we will never know.
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@dbarmonstar said in LOL Dodgers & Astros.:
@ChuckCLC said in LOL Dodgers & Astros.:
@dbarmonstar said in LOL Dodgers & Astros.:
@ChuckCLC said in LOL Dodgers & Astros.:
@dbarmonstar said in LOL Dodgers & Astros.:
@byrdman-10 said in LOL Dodgers & Astros.:
No one is Houston is happy with what happened but there is no way to know who would have won.. Love your comment that the Dodgers got screwed out of another ring, see a pattern here?
Plus throwing as someones head is how you get back, do you condone that?
I am not condoning nothing, but what did baseball think was going to happen what did the players of the Astros think was going to happen, This is on the Commissioner
Even though I very much dislike Jomboy media and his childish ways, he probably said it best when he said he though Correa and Bregman handled it great. Yes because they knew they would have to deal with pitches coming out at them, both Correa and Bregman did nothing when Kelly threw at them. They handled as they should, just as they suspected it would happen. Nothing got fired up until Kelly told Correa "nice swing B^^^h." And made that face. If there was nothing but great history between 2 teams that alone will cause a stir. This had nothing to do with Dodgers Astros 2017. This was Joe Kelly being himself.
Do you think the Astros deserve the 2017 championship. Correa interview when all this came made himself look bad saying they still earned the championship. that is the problem the players have no remorse or even think what they did was wrong.
It just doesnt matter. It was already celebrated and there is no way of knowing what would have changed. Plus there was that whole game 7 in LA where the Dodgers laid an egg. So IDK. Also there is no breakdown on when the Astros actually used the electronics in that series. So it really becomes kinda hard to decide anything. But in the end, it doesnt matter. Taking it from them does nothing to them or even the fans. It all already happened and was celebrated. Thats like your parents taking away a trip to Six Flags when you were younger. Ok, fine, take it away, but it already happened lol.
I will agree we will never know, I disagree it does matter in the records books and for the fans. Yeah it was celebrated but not earned or deserved. The memory of them winning yes but cheating to do it. That game against Darvish i am pretty sure they knew everything that was comeing. You void out that WS the Astros have 0 championship by records. Now it goes down in the books as the Astros did not cheat to win, in the books it will Astros won the series 4-3 for there first title. The saddest part is that we will never know.
But then you just give Astro fans a chance at their first WS title over again. lol. That feeling is the greatest. A 2nd could never feel as good as the first. Plus, you arent punishing the guys that did wrong either. You think Beltran and Cora really care about the Astros history? Those are the bad guys. Nothing the young guys could have done to change anything.
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@GoHardGrandpa said in LOL Dodgers & Astros.:
Everyone knows they cheated. The way that pitcher played was BS and he should be fined for it. He could of seriously hurt someone
He has been suspended, Cheater get away with Cheating the commissioner left it up to the player to handle it, Wrong as it is, that was so old school baseball
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@ChuckCLC said in LOL Dodgers & Astros.:
@dbarmonstar said in LOL Dodgers & Astros.:
@ChuckCLC said in LOL Dodgers & Astros.:
@dbarmonstar said in LOL Dodgers & Astros.:
@ChuckCLC said in LOL Dodgers & Astros.:
@dbarmonstar said in LOL Dodgers & Astros.:
@byrdman-10 said in LOL Dodgers & Astros.:
No one is Houston is happy with what happened but there is no way to know who would have won.. Love your comment that the Dodgers got screwed out of another ring, see a pattern here?
Plus throwing as someones head is how you get back, do you condone that?
I am not condoning nothing, but what did baseball think was going to happen what did the players of the Astros think was going to happen, This is on the Commissioner
Even though I very much dislike Jomboy media and his childish ways, he probably said it best when he said he though Correa and Bregman handled it great. Yes because they knew they would have to deal with pitches coming out at them, both Correa and Bregman did nothing when Kelly threw at them. They handled as they should, just as they suspected it would happen. Nothing got fired up until Kelly told Correa "nice swing B^^^h." And made that face. If there was nothing but great history between 2 teams that alone will cause a stir. This had nothing to do with Dodgers Astros 2017. This was Joe Kelly being himself.
Do you think the Astros deserve the 2017 championship. Correa interview when all this came made himself look bad saying they still earned the championship. that is the problem the players have no remorse or even think what they did was wrong.
It just doesnt matter. It was already celebrated and there is no way of knowing what would have changed. Plus there was that whole game 7 in LA where the Dodgers laid an egg. So IDK. Also there is no breakdown on when the Astros actually used the electronics in that series. So it really becomes kinda hard to decide anything. But in the end, it doesnt matter. Taking it from them does nothing to them or even the fans. It all already happened and was celebrated. Thats like your parents taking away a trip to Six Flags when you were younger. Ok, fine, take it away, but it already happened lol.
I will agree we will never know, I disagree it does matter in the records books and for the fans. Yeah it was celebrated but not earned or deserved. The memory of them winning yes but cheating to do it. That game against Darvish i am pretty sure they knew everything that was comeing. You void out that WS the Astros have 0 championship by records. Now it goes down in the books as the Astros did not cheat to win, in the books it will Astros won the series 4-3 for there first title. The saddest part is that we will never know.
But then you just give Astro fans a chance at their first WS title over again. lol. That feeling is the greatest. A 2nd could never feel as good as the first. Plus, you arent punishing the guys that did wrong either. You think Beltran and Cora really care about the Astros history? Those are the bad guys. Nothing the young guys could have done to change anything.
That last part of your statement is BS, anyone of those players could of stopped it, and they did not, they used it, had no remorse for it. That is cop out saying Correar or Bregman or any other player. If any of the players had integrity they would have said no this is wrong.
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@dbarmonstar said in LOL Dodgers & Astros.:
@ChuckCLC said in LOL Dodgers & Astros.:
@dbarmonstar said in LOL Dodgers & Astros.:
@ChuckCLC said in LOL Dodgers & Astros.:
@dbarmonstar said in LOL Dodgers & Astros.:
@ChuckCLC said in LOL Dodgers & Astros.:
@dbarmonstar said in LOL Dodgers & Astros.:
@byrdman-10 said in LOL Dodgers & Astros.:
No one is Houston is happy with what happened but there is no way to know who would have won.. Love your comment that the Dodgers got screwed out of another ring, see a pattern here?
Plus throwing as someones head is how you get back, do you condone that?
I am not condoning nothing, but what did baseball think was going to happen what did the players of the Astros think was going to happen, This is on the Commissioner
Even though I very much dislike Jomboy media and his childish ways, he probably said it best when he said he though Correa and Bregman handled it great. Yes because they knew they would have to deal with pitches coming out at them, both Correa and Bregman did nothing when Kelly threw at them. They handled as they should, just as they suspected it would happen. Nothing got fired up until Kelly told Correa "nice swing B^^^h." And made that face. If there was nothing but great history between 2 teams that alone will cause a stir. This had nothing to do with Dodgers Astros 2017. This was Joe Kelly being himself.
Do you think the Astros deserve the 2017 championship. Correa interview when all this came made himself look bad saying they still earned the championship. that is the problem the players have no remorse or even think what they did was wrong.
It just doesnt matter. It was already celebrated and there is no way of knowing what would have changed. Plus there was that whole game 7 in LA where the Dodgers laid an egg. So IDK. Also there is no breakdown on when the Astros actually used the electronics in that series. So it really becomes kinda hard to decide anything. But in the end, it doesnt matter. Taking it from them does nothing to them or even the fans. It all already happened and was celebrated. Thats like your parents taking away a trip to Six Flags when you were younger. Ok, fine, take it away, but it already happened lol.
I will agree we will never know, I disagree it does matter in the records books and for the fans. Yeah it was celebrated but not earned or deserved. The memory of them winning yes but cheating to do it. That game against Darvish i am pretty sure they knew everything that was comeing. You void out that WS the Astros have 0 championship by records. Now it goes down in the books as the Astros did not cheat to win, in the books it will Astros won the series 4-3 for there first title. The saddest part is that we will never know.
But then you just give Astro fans a chance at their first WS title over again. lol. That feeling is the greatest. A 2nd could never feel as good as the first. Plus, you arent punishing the guys that did wrong either. You think Beltran and Cora really care about the Astros history? Those are the bad guys. Nothing the young guys could have done to change anything.
That last part of your statement is BS, anyone of those players could of stopped it, and they did not, they used it, it had no remorse for it. That is cop out saying Correar or Bregman or any other player. If any of the players had integrity they would have said no this is wrong.
That is absolute BS. Just working at a regular job you cannot say something as a newer person or young person to change things. If you do you put yourself at risk. The Astros manager AJ Hinch himself said he felt helpless and hated the fact they were doing this because he was an analytics guy and analytics showed they were doing much better offensively as a team when they werent using the cheating system. But he couldnt do anything to stop a veteran cheat like Carlos Beltran. It is a different culture. Something most people wont understand.
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@ChuckCLC said in LOL Dodgers & Astros.:
@dbarmonstar said in LOL Dodgers & Astros.:
@ChuckCLC said in LOL Dodgers & Astros.:
@dbarmonstar said in LOL Dodgers & Astros.:
@ChuckCLC said in LOL Dodgers & Astros.:
@dbarmonstar said in LOL Dodgers & Astros.:
@ChuckCLC said in LOL Dodgers & Astros.:
@dbarmonstar said in LOL Dodgers & Astros.:
@byrdman-10 said in LOL Dodgers & Astros.:
No one is Houston is happy with what happened but there is no way to know who would have won.. Love your comment that the Dodgers got screwed out of another ring, see a pattern here?
Plus throwing as someones head is how you get back, do you condone that?
I am not condoning nothing, but what did baseball think was going to happen what did the players of the Astros think was going to happen, This is on the Commissioner
Even though I very much dislike Jomboy media and his childish ways, he probably said it best when he said he though Correa and Bregman handled it great. Yes because they knew they would have to deal with pitches coming out at them, both Correa and Bregman did nothing when Kelly threw at them. They handled as they should, just as they suspected it would happen. Nothing got fired up until Kelly told Correa "nice swing B^^^h." And made that face. If there was nothing but great history between 2 teams that alone will cause a stir. This had nothing to do with Dodgers Astros 2017. This was Joe Kelly being himself.
Do you think the Astros deserve the 2017 championship. Correa interview when all this came made himself look bad saying they still earned the championship. that is the problem the players have no remorse or even think what they did was wrong.
It just doesnt matter. It was already celebrated and there is no way of knowing what would have changed. Plus there was that whole game 7 in LA where the Dodgers laid an egg. So IDK. Also there is no breakdown on when the Astros actually used the electronics in that series. So it really becomes kinda hard to decide anything. But in the end, it doesnt matter. Taking it from them does nothing to them or even the fans. It all already happened and was celebrated. Thats like your parents taking away a trip to Six Flags when you were younger. Ok, fine, take it away, but it already happened lol.
I will agree we will never know, I disagree it does matter in the records books and for the fans. Yeah it was celebrated but not earned or deserved. The memory of them winning yes but cheating to do it. That game against Darvish i am pretty sure they knew everything that was comeing. You void out that WS the Astros have 0 championship by records. Now it goes down in the books as the Astros did not cheat to win, in the books it will Astros won the series 4-3 for there first title. The saddest part is that we will never know.
But then you just give Astro fans a chance at their first WS title over again. lol. That feeling is the greatest. A 2nd could never feel as good as the first. Plus, you arent punishing the guys that did wrong either. You think Beltran and Cora really care about the Astros history? Those are the bad guys. Nothing the young guys could have done to change anything.
That last part of your statement is BS, anyone of those players could of stopped it, and they did not, they used it, it had no remorse for it. That is cop out saying Correar or Bregman or any other player. If any of the players had integrity they would have said no this is wrong.
That is absolute BS. Just working at a regular job you cannot say something as a newer person or young person to change things. If you do you put yourself at risk. The Astros manager AJ Hinch himself said he felt helpless and hated the fact they were doing this because he was an analytics guy and analytics showed they were doing much better offensively as a team when they werent using the cheating system. But he couldnt do anything to stop a veteran cheat like Carlos Beltran. It is a different culture. Something most people wont understand.
Wait I do understand that it is hard being young and know what is right and wrong and not saying anything because of fear, It takes integrity to stand up for what is right, they just trusted Beltran in that fact that it was ok to do what they did and now they are paying the price for it and not just someone throwing at them but about how other players feel about them. It just take away from what was a great WS. it was Heartbreaking when the dodgers lost and even more heartbreaking finding out the Astros cheated.
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@dbarmonstar said in LOL Dodgers & Astros.:
@ChuckCLC said in LOL Dodgers & Astros.:
@dbarmonstar said in LOL Dodgers & Astros.:
@ChuckCLC said in LOL Dodgers & Astros.:
@dbarmonstar said in LOL Dodgers & Astros.:
@ChuckCLC said in LOL Dodgers & Astros.:
@dbarmonstar said in LOL Dodgers & Astros.:
@ChuckCLC said in LOL Dodgers & Astros.:
@dbarmonstar said in LOL Dodgers & Astros.:
@byrdman-10 said in LOL Dodgers & Astros.:
No one is Houston is happy with what happened but there is no way to know who would have won.. Love your comment that the Dodgers got screwed out of another ring, see a pattern here?
Plus throwing as someones head is how you get back, do you condone that?
I am not condoning nothing, but what did baseball think was going to happen what did the players of the Astros think was going to happen, This is on the Commissioner
Even though I very much dislike Jomboy media and his childish ways, he probably said it best when he said he though Correa and Bregman handled it great. Yes because they knew they would have to deal with pitches coming out at them, both Correa and Bregman did nothing when Kelly threw at them. They handled as they should, just as they suspected it would happen. Nothing got fired up until Kelly told Correa "nice swing B^^^h." And made that face. If there was nothing but great history between 2 teams that alone will cause a stir. This had nothing to do with Dodgers Astros 2017. This was Joe Kelly being himself.
Do you think the Astros deserve the 2017 championship. Correa interview when all this came made himself look bad saying they still earned the championship. that is the problem the players have no remorse or even think what they did was wrong.
It just doesnt matter. It was already celebrated and there is no way of knowing what would have changed. Plus there was that whole game 7 in LA where the Dodgers laid an egg. So IDK. Also there is no breakdown on when the Astros actually used the electronics in that series. So it really becomes kinda hard to decide anything. But in the end, it doesnt matter. Taking it from them does nothing to them or even the fans. It all already happened and was celebrated. Thats like your parents taking away a trip to Six Flags when you were younger. Ok, fine, take it away, but it already happened lol.
I will agree we will never know, I disagree it does matter in the records books and for the fans. Yeah it was celebrated but not earned or deserved. The memory of them winning yes but cheating to do it. That game against Darvish i am pretty sure they knew everything that was comeing. You void out that WS the Astros have 0 championship by records. Now it goes down in the books as the Astros did not cheat to win, in the books it will Astros won the series 4-3 for there first title. The saddest part is that we will never know.
But then you just give Astro fans a chance at their first WS title over again. lol. That feeling is the greatest. A 2nd could never feel as good as the first. Plus, you arent punishing the guys that did wrong either. You think Beltran and Cora really care about the Astros history? Those are the bad guys. Nothing the young guys could have done to change anything.
That last part of your statement is BS, anyone of those players could of stopped it, and they did not, they used it, it had no remorse for it. That is cop out saying Correar or Bregman or any other player. If any of the players had integrity they would have said no this is wrong.
That is absolute BS. Just working at a regular job you cannot say something as a newer person or young person to change things. If you do you put yourself at risk. The Astros manager AJ Hinch himself said he felt helpless and hated the fact they were doing this because he was an analytics guy and analytics showed they were doing much better offensively as a team when they werent using the cheating system. But he couldnt do anything to stop a veteran cheat like Carlos Beltran. It is a different culture. Something most people wont understand.
Wait I do understand that it is hard being young and know what is right and wrong and not saying anything because of fear, It takes integrity to stand up for what is right, they just trusted Beltran in that fact that it was ok to do what they did and now they are paying the price for it and not just someone throwing at them but about how other players feel about them. It just take away from what was a great WS. it was Heartbreaking when the dodgers lost and even more heartbreaking finding out the Astros cheated.
It isnt even knowing what is right and wrong, but not being sure of "the way things are done here" lol. that mentality. In the military, in sports, there is a different code that controls the way things are done. In MLB in the 70's and 80's when they had 2 pots of coffee, one labeled unleaded, which was regular caffeinated coffee, and would labeled leaded, which had illegal amphetamines in it, no young player was gonna come into the league and say anything about that because you were just under the impression that is how they do things here. Like I said before, the guys know now that what they did was wrong, but it has to be frustrating knowing there are others out there that did this and they have to shoulder the whole blame. Also they know pitches will come at them from certain teams and they just took it in stride. But the whole Kelly thing was taunting a player after a strikeout, had nothing to do with the head hunting. Had Kelly kept his mouth shout no retaliation would have became of throws, actually they didnt anyways, but nothing would have happened until he did his speed walk back to the dug out after strking out Correa and cussing him out.
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@dbarmonstar said in LOL Dodgers & Astros.:
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Think everyone expected it, but if I am a player I will not tolerate having someone throwing at me and risking my career. Agree MLB did not handle it well. Are you really that naive to think the Astros were the only ones? They got caught..
Yeah dodgers were cheating that is why they hit so well in that series, You have no proof of all the teams cheating. Stick to the fact of what we have. Stop already with everyone is doing it so it makes it ok. They got caught the players should have been suspended and the WS championship should have been voided.
Dude, the championship will never be voided you will have to get over that. And please tell me where I ever said cheating is OK, it's not and no one in Houston will say it was right. My point is the Astros got caught and the others got off easy, were the Astros the only smart ones who figured out how to gain an edge? Not likely, hopefully they can meet again in October and if the Astros lose we will accept it and not whine for years later. Take care and thanks for the debate..
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No one is Houston is happy with what happened but there is no way to know who would have won.. Love your comment that the Dodgers got screwed out of another ring, see a pattern here?
Plus throwing as someones head is how you get back, do you condone that?
I am not condoning nothing, but what did baseball think was going to happen what did the players of the Astros think was going to happen, This is on the Commissioner
Even though I very much dislike Jomboy media and his childish ways, he probably said it best when he said he though Correa and Bregman handled it great. Yes because they knew they would have to deal with pitches coming out at them, both Correa and Bregman did nothing when Kelly threw at them. They handled as they should, just as they suspected it would happen. Nothing got fired up until Kelly told Correa "nice swing B^^^h." And made that face. If there was nothing but great history between 2 teams that alone will cause a stir. This had nothing to do with Dodgers Astros 2017. This was Joe Kelly being himself.
Do you think the Astros deserve the 2017 championship. Correa interview when all this came made himself look bad saying they still earned the championship. that is the problem the players have no remorse or even think what they did was wrong.
It just doesnt matter. It was already celebrated and there is no way of knowing what would have changed. Plus there was that whole game 7 in LA where the Dodgers laid an egg. So IDK. Also there is no breakdown on when the Astros actually used the electronics in that series. So it really becomes kinda hard to decide anything. But in the end, it doesnt matter. Taking it from them does nothing to them or even the fans. It all already happened and was celebrated. Thats like your parents taking away a trip to Six Flags when you were younger. Ok, fine, take it away, but it already happened lol.
I will agree we will never know, I disagree it does matter in the records books and for the fans. Yeah it was celebrated but not earned or deserved. The memory of them winning yes but cheating to do it. That game against Darvish i am pretty sure they knew everything that was comeing. You void out that WS the Astros have 0 championship by records. Now it goes down in the books as the Astros did not cheat to win, in the books it will Astros won the series 4-3 for there first title. The saddest part is that we will never know.
But then you just give Astro fans a chance at their first WS title over again. lol. That feeling is the greatest. A 2nd could never feel as good as the first. Plus, you arent punishing the guys that did wrong either. You think Beltran and Cora really care about the Astros history? Those are the bad guys. Nothing the young guys could have done to change anything.
That last part of your statement is BS, anyone of those players could of stopped it, and they did not, they used it, it had no remorse for it. That is cop out saying Correar or Bregman or any other player. If any of the players had integrity they would have said no this is wrong.
That is absolute BS. Just working at a regular job you cannot say something as a newer person or young person to change things. If you do you put yourself at risk. The Astros manager AJ Hinch himself said he felt helpless and hated the fact they were doing this because he was an analytics guy and analytics showed they were doing much better offensively as a team when they werent using the cheating system. But he couldnt do anything to stop a veteran cheat like Carlos Beltran. It is a different culture. Something most people wont understand.
Wait I do understand that it is hard being young and know what is right and wrong and not saying anything because of fear, It takes integrity to stand up for what is right, they just trusted Beltran in that fact that it was ok to do what they did and now they are paying the price for it and not just someone throwing at them but about how other players feel about them. It just take away from what was a great WS. it was Heartbreaking when the dodgers lost and even more heartbreaking finding out the Astros cheated.
It isnt even knowing what is right and wrong, but not being sure of "the way things are done here" lol. that mentality. In the military, in sports, there is a different code that controls the way things are done. In MLB in the 70's and 80's when they had 2 pots of coffee, one labeled unleaded, which was regular caffeinated coffee, and would labeled leaded, which had illegal amphetamines in it, no young player was gonna come into the league and say anything about that because you were just under the impression that is how they do things here. Like I said before, the guys know now that what they did was wrong, but it has to be frustrating knowing there are others out there that did this and they have to shoulder the whole blame. Also they know pitches will come at them from certain teams and they just took it in stride. But the whole Kelly thing was taunting a player after a strikeout, had nothing to do with the head hunting. Had Kelly kept his mouth shout no retaliation would have became of throws, actually they didnt anyways, but nothing would have happened until he did his speed walk back to the dug out after strking out Correa and cussing him out.
Well said, both guys did not take action on the pitches but when he started running his mouth while getting off the field quickly, well we know what to call those guys..