Jimmie Foxx is unjammable
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@SefarR said in Jimmie Foxx is unjammable:
@Maverick31762 said in Jimmie Foxx is unjammable:
@DriveByTrucker17 said in Jimmie Foxx is unjammable:
@Maverick31762 said in Jimmie Foxx is unjammable:
@DriveByTrucker17 said in Jimmie Foxx is unjammable:
@TheHungryHole said in Jimmie Foxx is unjammable:
@DriveByTrucker17 said in Jimmie Foxx is unjammable:
@skepple15 said in Jimmie Foxx is unjammable:
@Maverick31762 said in Jimmie Foxx is unjammable:
@DriveByTrucker17 said in Jimmie Foxx is unjammable:
I didn’t believe his swing could be as amazing as everyone says it is, but then I picked up the 95 version.
I now see the light, and have realized what a naive fool I was.
I am a glad you have seen the light. I guess I am playing the wrong guys. I have gotten him out rather easy.
Yea the one time you've faced him in your last 30+ games you did well against him...
That's a pretty big sample size..
Maverick would rather use a crappy SS Joe Carter than one of the best cards in the game lmao
lolllll
hey now dont rip on Joe The Man
he missed a SS this year (one can dream right)
Not necessarily ripping on joe carter, just how maverick constantly cries about not getting him despite 1. Carter barely having an average career, and already having a card representing the one thing he’s remembered for, and 2. There being lots more players with much, much better careers without SS cards.
Average career = 5x all stars, 396 career homers, 10 100 RBI seasons. Yes, that is what the average MLB player does.
Yeah...ok
You just don't get that he is the ONLY guy of the original 30 w/o a SS and that makes it unusual. Also If you think Huff, Gordon, Hafner or Floyd are significantly better, well then you know about as much about baseball as I have always suspected. But its ok...you trolling me is NOT derailing the thread. Its me with these crazy..."thoughts"
All-stars are meaningless. RBI are meaningless. Homeruns are good, but they don’t tell the whole story, just a minute fraction of it. A guy can hit lots of homeruns but not be a very good overall hitter.
It doesn’t matter if he is the only 1 of 30 to not get an SS card. He doesn’t need one. He wouldn’t even be in the game period if he didn’t hit a walkoff homerun in the World Series.
Huff and Carter are about equal career wise, but Huff had 4 seasons that were better than Carter’s best season offensively.
You’ve already been told why Gordon is much better than Carter. Hafner was an offensive machine before injuries derailed his career, and even after coming back from injuries still put up offensive numbers just as good as Carter’s best. He also still finished with more fWAR than Carter, and with a 132 wRC+. Floyd had at least 3 seasons that were better than Carter’s best season offensively, and finished with more fWAR as well.
If you think having a career fWAR total of 17.1 in 14 years and a career wRC+ of 102 isn’t average, I don’t know what to tell you. 100 wRC+ is literally league average, and that’s what Carter’s career was.
Ok...you have made this poor argument before. Once again you throw out every bit of evidence and focus only on WAR. Or stats that are derivative of WAR. It’s a poor argument no matter how many times I have been “told”
Not even certain why you waste the time typing it. Did you think I was going to say...”Great point, I shouldn’t look at any other bit of evidence and only look at sabermetrics that on the face of it don’t reflect his performance. But now that you have said this for the 10th time I see how you are right”
Worst off you still haven’t understood my core argument about him not having a SS isn’t really based on his performance but on him being 1of 30 to NOT get a SS. But whatever, not certain why I wasted time responding. You are what you are.
No one expects you to ever change your mind. I won't say anything more as I've learned my lesson about "bullying".
One thing I'll add is that wRC+ isn't a derivative of WAR. Here is the definition for your convenience:
"Weighted Runs Created Plus (wRC+)
wRC+ takes the statistic Runs Created and adjusts that number to account for important external factors -- like ballpark or era. It's adjusted, so a wRC+ of 100 is league average and 150 would be 50 percent above league average."
On this metric Carter was average.
Hmmm. This tells me that you do t really know how WAR is calculated. But you know how to copy and paste. It’s ok though MOST people don’t understand the math behind it. But it’s cool.
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@Maverick31762 said in Jimmie Foxx is unjammable:
Hmmm. This tells me that you do t really know how WAR is calculated. But you know how to copy and paste. It’s ok though MOST people don’t understand the math behind it. But it’s cool.
Trust me, I understand it perfectly well.
"The basic currency of WAR is runs. We start with runs added or lost versus an average player and then compare the average player to a replacement player. I just got done saying we don't want to use averages, but an equation should explain what we are doing here.
Players Runs over Replacement = Player_runs - ReplPlayer_runs = (Player_runs - AvgPlayer_runs) + (AvgPlayer_runs - ReplPlayer_runs)
This gives us two components, player runs above average (RAA) and then the average player's runs above replacement.
Ultimately, baseball teams are interested in wins and losses, and so is WAR. RAA is converted to wins above average by running the results through a PythagenPat win-loss estimator (a rundown of PythagenPat). This allows us to more accurately model the interaction between the player and league and the effect on wins. Generally, ten runs will give you one win, but that does not always hold.
Adding up all of the WAR on a team (adding in replacement level (48 wins for a full season)), should get you very, very close to the team's actual wins and losses, and should match up even more closely with their Pythagorean win-loss records."
Also,
"WAR for position players has six components:
Batting Runs
Baserunning Runs
Runs added or lost due to Grounding into Double Plays in DP situations
Fielding Runs
Positional Adjustment Runs
Replacement level Runs (based on playing time)
The first five measurements are all compared against league average, so a value of zero will equate to a league average player. Less than zero means worse than average, and greater than zero means better than average. These five correspond to the first half of our equation above (Player_runs - AvgPlayer_runs). The sixth factor is the second half of the equation (AvgPlayer_runs - ReplPlayer_runs)."Meanwhile the formula for wRC+ is the following:
"(((wRAA per PA + league runs per PA) + (league runs per PA - ballpark factor x league runs per PA) / league wRC per plate appearance, not including pitchers)) x 100."
It was you who specifically said that wRC+ is a derivative (that is "something which is based on another source") of WAR. The use of the wRAA (or RAA) stat does not mean that wRC+ is based on WAR.
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Imagine a world where copy and paste skills were equivalent to knowledge.
If I copied a nuclear physics formula from a website would I understand nuclear power plants. No, not really. But feel free to copy and paste whatever you would like. It isn’t derailing the thread at all.
Can you also copy and paste why he is 1 of 30 to not be given a SS
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@Maverick31762 said in Jimmie Foxx is unjammable:
Imagine a world where copy and paste skills were equivalent to knowledge.
If I copied a nuclear physics formula from a website would I understand nuclear power plants. No, not really. But feel free to copy and paste whatever you would like. It isn’t derailing the thread at all.
Can you also copy and paste why he is 1 of 30 to not be given a SS
Nope and I don't know for sure why they made this call. Clearly they thought that in the grand scheme of things Carter wasn't all that requested or needed.
I'm copy pasting these because it saves me time. I don't have the time or the inclination to rephrase these formulas for your perusal.
Now, if you feel like my point is inaccurate then feel free to point it out.
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Glad you admitted you don’t know why he wasn’t included. That was the point
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You didn’t make a point about WAR you copied and pasted parts of the formula.
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Go get your last word. I am bored with you
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@Maverick31762 said in Jimmie Foxx is unjammable:
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Glad you admitted you don’t know why he wasn’t included. That was the point
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You didn’t make a point about WAR you copied and pasted parts of the formula.
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Go get your last word. I am bored with you
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That wasn't my point - you specifically stated that wRC+ is a derivative of WAR
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I didn't attempt to make a point about WAR. I simply demonstrated that wRC+ is not a derivative of WAR unlike incorrectly asserted by you.
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@SefarR said in Jimmie Foxx is unjammable:
@Maverick31762 said in Jimmie Foxx is unjammable:
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Glad you admitted you don’t know why he wasn’t included. That was the point
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You didn’t make a point about WAR you copied and pasted parts of the formula.
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Go get your last word. I am bored with you
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That wasn't my point - you specifically stated that wRC+ is a derivative of WAR
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I didn't attempt to make a point about WAR. I simply demonstrated that wRC+ is not a derivative of WAR unlikely incorrectly asserted by you.
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@SefarR said in Jimmie Foxx is unjammable:
@Maverick31762 said in Jimmie Foxx is unjammable:
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Glad you admitted you don’t know why he wasn’t included. That was the point
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You didn’t make a point about WAR you copied and pasted parts of the formula.
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Go get your last word. I am bored with you
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That wasn't my point - you specifically stated that wRC+ is a derivative of WAR
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I didn't attempt to make a point about WAR. I simply demonstrated that wRC+ is not a derivative of WAR unlike incorrectly asserted by you.
He's basically a self glorified troll, not worth the time when he's insisting on never being wrong and nit picking every argument for pointless issues
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I do not have his SS but his Gold card I hit well with. I hit very well with Ty Cobb since I got him this week.
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@dbarmonstar said in Jimmie Foxx is unjammable:
I do not have his SS but his Gold card I hit well with. I hit very well with Ty Cobb since I got him this week.
His SS and his 95 are money
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@skepple15 said in Jimmie Foxx is unjammable:
@dbarmonstar said in Jimmie Foxx is unjammable:
I do not have his SS but his Gold card I hit well with. I hit very well with Ty Cobb since I got him this week.
His SS and his 95 are money
i do not remember if I picked up his 95 I might have for the last event. When it was over I might of sold it off to get the Cobb SS. I have to go back and check my transaction history.
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@JustASeal0 said in Jimmie Foxx is unjammable:
@SefarR said in Jimmie Foxx is unjammable:
@Maverick31762 said in Jimmie Foxx is unjammable:
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Glad you admitted you don’t know why he wasn’t included. That was the point
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You didn’t make a point about WAR you copied and pasted parts of the formula.
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Go get your last word. I am bored with you
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That wasn't my point - you specifically stated that wRC+ is a derivative of WAR
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I didn't attempt to make a point about WAR. I simply demonstrated that wRC+ is not a derivative of WAR unlike incorrectly asserted by you.
He's basically a self glorified troll, not worth the time when he's insisting on never being wrong and nit picking every argument for pointless issues
It’s weird to me why people have such an issue with other people having a different opinion. Nobody is wrong about an opinion. However, regarding statistics i will freely admit part of the problem is the way that I am communicating. I could go Into a very detailed description (NOT copy and paste) of why WAR and wRC are going to always have a strong correlation. But to be honest that would take a long detailed write. based on the copy paste skills used to justify the ubiquitous use of sabermetrics it would either go over the heads of those I am communicating with. Especially, because some of these dudes have never taken a single class in statistics it makes it difficult for them to see beyond something that is new and fresh.
Btw...what is a self glorified troll. If you are going to go out of your way to insult someone have it make sense
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@Maverick31762 said in Jimmie Foxx is unjammable:
@JustASeal0 said in Jimmie Foxx is unjammable:
@SefarR said in Jimmie Foxx is unjammable:
@Maverick31762 said in Jimmie Foxx is unjammable:
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Glad you admitted you don’t know why he wasn’t included. That was the point
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You didn’t make a point about WAR you copied and pasted parts of the formula.
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Go get your last word. I am bored with you
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That wasn't my point - you specifically stated that wRC+ is a derivative of WAR
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I didn't attempt to make a point about WAR. I simply demonstrated that wRC+ is not a derivative of WAR unlike incorrectly asserted by you.
He's basically a self glorified troll, not worth the time when he's insisting on never being wrong and nit picking every argument for pointless issues
It’s weird to me why people have such an issue with other people having a different opinion. Nobody is wrong about an opinion. However, regarding statistics i will freely admit part of the problem is the way that I am communicating. I could go Into a very detailed description (NOT copy and paste) of why WAR and wRC are going to always have a strong correlation. But to be honest that would take a long detailed write. based on the copy paste skills used to justify the ubiquitous use of sabermetrics it would either go over the heads of those I am communicating with. Especially, because some of these dudes have never taken a single class in statistics it makes it difficult for them to see beyond something that is new and fresh.
Btw...what is a self glorified troll. If you are going to go out of your way to insult someone have it make sense
Again you felt the need to overstate your own knowledge and resort to insults.
No one has said that wRC+ and WAR don't use some statistics that are the same as a foundation. What I said, specifically, is that wRC+ is not a derivative of WAR. This is a fact. I dare you to prove me wrong.
These two metrics are also differentiated because they both serve a different purpose. More importantly - Joe Carter is average based on both these advanced metrics.
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@SefarR said in Jimmie Foxx is unjammable:
@Maverick31762 said in Jimmie Foxx is unjammable:
@JustASeal0 said in Jimmie Foxx is unjammable:
@SefarR said in Jimmie Foxx is unjammable:
@Maverick31762 said in Jimmie Foxx is unjammable:
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Glad you admitted you don’t know why he wasn’t included. That was the point
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You didn’t make a point about WAR you copied and pasted parts of the formula.
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Go get your last word. I am bored with you
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That wasn't my point - you specifically stated that wRC+ is a derivative of WAR
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I didn't attempt to make a point about WAR. I simply demonstrated that wRC+ is not a derivative of WAR unlike incorrectly asserted by you.
He's basically a self glorified troll, not worth the time when he's insisting on never being wrong and nit picking every argument for pointless issues
It’s weird to me why people have such an issue with other people having a different opinion. Nobody is wrong about an opinion. However, regarding statistics i will freely admit part of the problem is the way that I am communicating. I could go Into a very detailed description (NOT copy and paste) of why WAR and wRC are going to always have a strong correlation. But to be honest that would take a long detailed write. based on the copy paste skills used to justify the ubiquitous use of sabermetrics it would either go over the heads of those I am communicating with. Especially, because some of these dudes have never taken a single class in statistics it makes it difficult for them to see beyond something that is new and fresh.
Btw...what is a self glorified troll. If you are going to go out of your way to insult someone have it make sense
Again you felt the need to overstate your own knowledge and resort to insults.
No one has said that wRC+ and WAR don't use some statistics that are the same as a foundation. What I said, specifically, is that wRC+ is not a derivative of WAR. This is a fact.
These two metrics are also differentiated because they both serve a different purpose. More importantly - Joe Carter is average based on both these advanced metrics.
Oh, i am sorry. I thought we were done. Didn’t you get in your last word? Do we need to go back and forth about this. Are you done now. Or do you really want to debate the stats? Before we do I just need to know if you have ever taken a single college math or stats course? Or have you had to use statistical analysis in any professional manner? If not I am not going to bother it would be like explaining lightning to a baboon.
If you have cool make a thread where we can discuss the merits and weakness of various stats. As long as you agree not to copy and paste
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@Maverick31762 said in Jimmie Foxx is unjammable:
@SefarR said in Jimmie Foxx is unjammable:
@Maverick31762 said in Jimmie Foxx is unjammable:
@JustASeal0 said in Jimmie Foxx is unjammable:
@SefarR said in Jimmie Foxx is unjammable:
@Maverick31762 said in Jimmie Foxx is unjammable:
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Glad you admitted you don’t know why he wasn’t included. That was the point
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You didn’t make a point about WAR you copied and pasted parts of the formula.
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Go get your last word. I am bored with you
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That wasn't my point - you specifically stated that wRC+ is a derivative of WAR
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I didn't attempt to make a point about WAR. I simply demonstrated that wRC+ is not a derivative of WAR unlike incorrectly asserted by you.
He's basically a self glorified troll, not worth the time when he's insisting on never being wrong and nit picking every argument for pointless issues
It’s weird to me why people have such an issue with other people having a different opinion. Nobody is wrong about an opinion. However, regarding statistics i will freely admit part of the problem is the way that I am communicating. I could go Into a very detailed description (NOT copy and paste) of why WAR and wRC are going to always have a strong correlation. But to be honest that would take a long detailed write. based on the copy paste skills used to justify the ubiquitous use of sabermetrics it would either go over the heads of those I am communicating with. Especially, because some of these dudes have never taken a single class in statistics it makes it difficult for them to see beyond something that is new and fresh.
Btw...what is a self glorified troll. If you are going to go out of your way to insult someone have it make sense
Again you felt the need to overstate your own knowledge and resort to insults.
No one has said that wRC+ and WAR don't use some statistics that are the same as a foundation. What I said, specifically, is that wRC+ is not a derivative of WAR. This is a fact.
These two metrics are also differentiated because they both serve a different purpose. More importantly - Joe Carter is average based on both these advanced metrics.
Oh, i am sorry. I thought we were done. Didn’t you get in your last word? Do we need to go back and forth about this. Are you done now. Or do you really want to debate the stats? Before we do I just need to know if you have ever taken a single college math or stats course? Or have you had to use statistical analysis in any professional manner? If not I am not going to bother it would be like explaining lightning to a baboon.
If you have cool make a thread where we can discuss the merits and weakness of various stats.
Again, I'm not talking about pro/against any advanced metric right now.
I am saying that wRC+ is not based on WAR, which is what you asserted. Prove me wrong.
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@SefarR said in Jimmie Foxx is unjammable:
@Maverick31762 said in Jimmie Foxx is unjammable:
@SefarR said in Jimmie Foxx is unjammable:
@Maverick31762 said in Jimmie Foxx is unjammable:
@JustASeal0 said in Jimmie Foxx is unjammable:
@SefarR said in Jimmie Foxx is unjammable:
@Maverick31762 said in Jimmie Foxx is unjammable:
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Glad you admitted you don’t know why he wasn’t included. That was the point
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You didn’t make a point about WAR you copied and pasted parts of the formula.
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Go get your last word. I am bored with you
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That wasn't my point - you specifically stated that wRC+ is a derivative of WAR
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I didn't attempt to make a point about WAR. I simply demonstrated that wRC+ is not a derivative of WAR unlike incorrectly asserted by you.
He's basically a self glorified troll, not worth the time when he's insisting on never being wrong and nit picking every argument for pointless issues
It’s weird to me why people have such an issue with other people having a different opinion. Nobody is wrong about an opinion. However, regarding statistics i will freely admit part of the problem is the way that I am communicating. I could go Into a very detailed description (NOT copy and paste) of why WAR and wRC are going to always have a strong correlation. But to be honest that would take a long detailed write. based on the copy paste skills used to justify the ubiquitous use of sabermetrics it would either go over the heads of those I am communicating with. Especially, because some of these dudes have never taken a single class in statistics it makes it difficult for them to see beyond something that is new and fresh.
Btw...what is a self glorified troll. If you are going to go out of your way to insult someone have it make sense
Again you felt the need to overstate your own knowledge and resort to insults.
No one has said that wRC+ and WAR don't use some statistics that are the same as a foundation. What I said, specifically, is that wRC+ is not a derivative of WAR. This is a fact.
These two metrics are also differentiated because they both serve a different purpose. More importantly - Joe Carter is average based on both these advanced metrics.
Oh, i am sorry. I thought we were done. Didn’t you get in your last word? Do we need to go back and forth about this. Are you done now. Or do you really want to debate the stats? Before we do I just need to know if you have ever taken a single college math or stats course? Or have you had to use statistical analysis in any professional manner? If not I am not going to bother it would be like explaining lightning to a baboon.
If you have cool make a thread where we can discuss the merits and weakness of various stats.
Again, I'm not talking about pro/against any advances metric right now.
I am saying that wRC+ is not based on WAR, which is what you asserted. Prove me wrong.
Like I said. Let me know if you have EVER taken a stats course in college or like a total of 9 credits in math, research methods, or stats. or used statistical analysis in any professional context. If so...we can private chat if you are worried about being embarrassed or make a thread and others can get involved if you need help.
Otherwise stop trolling because the depth of the conversation is beyond you. And people complain about derailed threads around here.
Hint: the mere fact that those two stats are the entire basis for him being just average in your mind should really speak to you about the validity of the stat
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Guys! Stop! Unless you’ve taken college statistics it is impossible for you to understand a stat in regards to sports so just stop! It’s impossible.
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.264/.309/.498
.269/.320/.511
Just wanted to go to a point brought up in another thread
That's Joe Carters "great" 1992 season in which he finished 3rd in MVP voting, compared to Eduardo Escobar's 2019 season
I guess the one stats class I took in university really helped me make that comparison...
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@Maverick31762 said in Jimmie Foxx is unjammable:
@SefarR said in Jimmie Foxx is unjammable:
@Maverick31762 said in Jimmie Foxx is unjammable:
@SefarR said in Jimmie Foxx is unjammable:
@Maverick31762 said in Jimmie Foxx is unjammable:
@JustASeal0 said in Jimmie Foxx is unjammable:
@SefarR said in Jimmie Foxx is unjammable:
@Maverick31762 said in Jimmie Foxx is unjammable:
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Glad you admitted you don’t know why he wasn’t included. That was the point
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You didn’t make a point about WAR you copied and pasted parts of the formula.
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Go get your last word. I am bored with you
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That wasn't my point - you specifically stated that wRC+ is a derivative of WAR
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I didn't attempt to make a point about WAR. I simply demonstrated that wRC+ is not a derivative of WAR unlike incorrectly asserted by you.
He's basically a self glorified troll, not worth the time when he's insisting on never being wrong and nit picking every argument for pointless issues
It’s weird to me why people have such an issue with other people having a different opinion. Nobody is wrong about an opinion. However, regarding statistics i will freely admit part of the problem is the way that I am communicating. I could go Into a very detailed description (NOT copy and paste) of why WAR and wRC are going to always have a strong correlation. But to be honest that would take a long detailed write. based on the copy paste skills used to justify the ubiquitous use of sabermetrics it would either go over the heads of those I am communicating with. Especially, because some of these dudes have never taken a single class in statistics it makes it difficult for them to see beyond something that is new and fresh.
Btw...what is a self glorified troll. If you are going to go out of your way to insult someone have it make sense
Again you felt the need to overstate your own knowledge and resort to insults.
No one has said that wRC+ and WAR don't use some statistics that are the same as a foundation. What I said, specifically, is that wRC+ is not a derivative of WAR. This is a fact.
These two metrics are also differentiated because they both serve a different purpose. More importantly - Joe Carter is average based on both these advanced metrics.
Oh, i am sorry. I thought we were done. Didn’t you get in your last word? Do we need to go back and forth about this. Are you done now. Or do you really want to debate the stats? Before we do I just need to know if you have ever taken a single college math or stats course? Or have you had to use statistical analysis in any professional manner? If not I am not going to bother it would be like explaining lightning to a baboon.
If you have cool make a thread where we can discuss the merits and weakness of various stats.
Again, I'm not talking about pro/against any advances metric right now.
I am saying that wRC+ is not based on WAR, which is what you asserted. Prove me wrong.
Like I said. Let me know if you have EVER taken a stats course in college or like a total of 9 credits in math, research methods, or stats. or used statistical analysis in any professional context. If so...we can private chat if you are worried about being embarrassed or make a thread and others can get involved if you need help.
Otherwise stop trolling because the depth of the conversation is beyond you. And people complain about derailed threads around here.
Hint: the mere fact that those two stats are the entire basis for him being just average in your mind should really speak to you about the validity of the stat
Yes, I have and no, I'm not embarrassed. Dazzle me.
Guys, better prepare - we're about to witness something truly extraordinary, something that most commoners will simply be unable to comprehend.
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@skepple15 Do I try this guy Jimmy out? I got like 1.1mil in the bank.
