Jimmie Foxx is unjammable
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@Maverick31762 said in Jimmie Foxx is unjammable:
@JustASeal0 said in Jimmie Foxx is unjammable:
@skepple15 said in Jimmie Foxx is unjammable:
@Maverick31762 said in Jimmie Foxx is unjammable:
@skepple15 said in Jimmie Foxx is unjammable:
@Maverick31762 said in Jimmie Foxx is unjammable:
@DriveByTrucker17 said in Jimmie Foxx is unjammable:
I didn’t believe his swing could be as amazing as everyone says it is, but then I picked up the 95 version.
I now see the light, and have realized what a naive fool I was.
I am a glad you have seen the light. I guess I am playing the wrong guys. I have gotten him out rather easy.
Yea the one time you've faced him in your last 30+ games you did well against him...
That's a pretty big sample size..
Not accurate but that is
You've faced him once in your last 45 games, I don't think a guy hitting in the .250s struggling to get out of wildcard should really be considered a sample size for you being able to get him out "rather easy" but if you think so then all the power to you. We all know you're willing to die on this hill because you can't comprehend the fact that you couldn't hit with him while the overwhelming majority of players that have him can..
The only people I've seen who didn't absolutely rake with Foxx are the people in all star purgatory and haven't gotten out since the game launched
Well this in of itself is breaking news. So there ARE people who don't rake with him? Some people don't understand that such people exist. Maybe some truth to this. Ironically, when I got him I was in the end of WS. I actually was getting weak base hits. When the season restarted he was not hitting anything. I subsequently sold him.
btw...if anyone is questioning the accuracy of my statements...ask Skepple he will go back 220 games to see this is true.
You play a whole lot of games to not be able to hit with the second best swing in the game, that's pretty depressing ngl, I feel for you
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@skepple15 said in Jimmie Foxx is unjammable:
@Maverick31762 said in Jimmie Foxx is unjammable:
@skepple15 said in Jimmie Foxx is unjammable:
@Maverick31762 said in Jimmie Foxx is unjammable:
@skepple15 said in Jimmie Foxx is unjammable:
@Maverick31762 said in Jimmie Foxx is unjammable:
@DriveByTrucker17 said in Jimmie Foxx is unjammable:
I didn’t believe his swing could be as amazing as everyone says it is, but then I picked up the 95 version.
I now see the light, and have realized what a naive fool I was.
I am a glad you have seen the light. I guess I am playing the wrong guys. I have gotten him out rather easy.
Yea the one time you've faced him in your last 30+ games you did well against him...
That's a pretty big sample size..
Not accurate but that is
You've faced him once in your last 45 games, I don't think a guy hitting in the .250s struggling to get out of wildcard should really be considered a sample size for you being able to get him out "rather easy" but if you think so then all the power to you. We all know you're willing to die on this hill because you can't comprehend the fact that you couldn't hit with him while the overwhelming majority of players that have him can..
I am not sure what is more bizarre:
- Someone taking the time to go 45 games in a persons game history to find AB for one particular player.
- Someone who would do the above and NOT realize that 45 games makes up about 5% of the games played and isn't a good sample size.
- Someone who would lie about someone who consistently makes WS struggling to get out of wildcard
- Someone who blatantly lies about another users batting average (weird flex bro)
This is not a hill to die on. My truth is my truth. Its a statement of fact. My experience is different than yours. But more importantly. I think the subtext needs to be made clear. You are not special. Well, actually, you might be VERY special. You do not know more about a subject because you are able to have a high batting average on a video game. This does not make you smarter or more aware of the realm of possibilities. Having people agree with your limited view point does not make it any less wrong. Bottom line...Foxx works great for you. I am glad something is going good for you for a change. If Foxx being the best right handed hitter in the game is the one thing that makes your life special....I don't want to take away your small victories in life. You need every one of them.
My experience is different. I cant hit with him and that I get him out quite easily. I understand that this is a difficult concept for your to embrace. Good news is that my experience doesn't negate your experience. Only small people need to knock down another persons reality to validate their own. I hope that you are bigger than that, but you have disappointed me before. All this is said with love and respect. I will pray for you.
It's pretty clear that any time you hop on a thread it tends to get derailed because of your nonsense so this time I decided to be prepared. You've faced him once in the last 45 games, despite what lies you want to put forward you've only faced him the once, he went 0-4 the user name xxxxbruiser26 (not the actual username but terms of service) that player, finished last season at 653, currently sits at 622, has a lifetime batting average of .254, none of what I said was a lie, you're anecdotal "everybody I play with him sucks and I get him out easily" so you can feel better about not being able to hit with him is quite funny at this point. Can't wait for your usual twist words around to try to make yourself sound better schtick!
Things were a lot better here when you were banned I was hoping you would just stay away as it was a pretty blissful time but that was wishful thinking...
its pretty clear you have difficulty with anyone who had a different opinion than you or even a different experience. Once again....you would need to look further to see all my ABs against Foxx. Honestly, my time off was great for me. The site is actually kinda dead. But you can also hit the ignore button. Its right there...do it. As far as derailing. I think you do a better job than me. You could have just moved on but instead you do research into me. Maybe if you put that level of research into your professional life your team might be decent. Good luck though I will pray for you
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@JustASeal0 said in Jimmie Foxx is unjammable:
@Maverick31762 said in Jimmie Foxx is unjammable:
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@skepple15 said in Jimmie Foxx is unjammable:
@Maverick31762 said in Jimmie Foxx is unjammable:
@skepple15 said in Jimmie Foxx is unjammable:
@Maverick31762 said in Jimmie Foxx is unjammable:
@DriveByTrucker17 said in Jimmie Foxx is unjammable:
I didn’t believe his swing could be as amazing as everyone says it is, but then I picked up the 95 version.
I now see the light, and have realized what a naive fool I was.
I am a glad you have seen the light. I guess I am playing the wrong guys. I have gotten him out rather easy.
Yea the one time you've faced him in your last 30+ games you did well against him...
That's a pretty big sample size..
Not accurate but that is
You've faced him once in your last 45 games, I don't think a guy hitting in the .250s struggling to get out of wildcard should really be considered a sample size for you being able to get him out "rather easy" but if you think so then all the power to you. We all know you're willing to die on this hill because you can't comprehend the fact that you couldn't hit with him while the overwhelming majority of players that have him can..
The only people I've seen who didn't absolutely rake with Foxx are the people in all star purgatory and haven't gotten out since the game launched
Well this in of itself is breaking news. So there ARE people who don't rake with him? Some people don't understand that such people exist. Maybe some truth to this. Ironically, when I got him I was in the end of WS. I actually was getting weak base hits. When the season restarted he was not hitting anything. I subsequently sold him.
btw...if anyone is questioning the accuracy of my statements...ask Skepple he will go back 220 games to see this is true.
You play a whole lot of games to not be able to hit with the second best swing in the game, that's pretty depressing ngl, I feel for you
If not being able to hit with Foxx is something that would actually make YOU think someone would feel depressed. I feel more for you. Life is good even when Foxx aint hitting for me. This maybe a shock but there is a lot more to life than this game or this site. Maybe that is why I am not as good. I have other things going on. I hope you have other things going on.
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@DriveByTrucker17 said in Jimmie Foxx is unjammable:
@TheHungryHole said in Jimmie Foxx is unjammable:
@DriveByTrucker17 said in Jimmie Foxx is unjammable:
@skepple15 said in Jimmie Foxx is unjammable:
@Maverick31762 said in Jimmie Foxx is unjammable:
@DriveByTrucker17 said in Jimmie Foxx is unjammable:
I didn’t believe his swing could be as amazing as everyone says it is, but then I picked up the 95 version.
I now see the light, and have realized what a naive fool I was.
I am a glad you have seen the light. I guess I am playing the wrong guys. I have gotten him out rather easy.
Yea the one time you've faced him in your last 30+ games you did well against him...
That's a pretty big sample size..
Maverick would rather use a crappy SS Joe Carter than one of the best cards in the game lmao
lolllll
hey now dont rip on Joe The Man
he missed a SS this year (one can dream right)
Not necessarily ripping on joe carter, just how maverick constantly cries about not getting him despite 1. Carter barely having an average career, and already having a card representing the one thing he’s remembered for, and 2. There being lots more players with much, much better careers without SS cards.
Average career = 5x all stars, 396 career homers, 10 100 RBI seasons. Yes, that is what the average MLB player does.
Yeah...ok
You just don't get that he is the ONLY guy of the original 30 w/o a SS and that makes it unusual. Also If you think Huff, Gordon, Hafner or Floyd are significantly better, well then you know about as much about baseball as I have always suspected. But its ok...you trolling me is NOT derailing the thread. Its me with these crazy..."thoughts"
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@Maverick31762 said in Jimmie Foxx is unjammable:
@JustASeal0 said in Jimmie Foxx is unjammable:
@Maverick31762 said in Jimmie Foxx is unjammable:
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@skepple15 said in Jimmie Foxx is unjammable:
@Maverick31762 said in Jimmie Foxx is unjammable:
@skepple15 said in Jimmie Foxx is unjammable:
@Maverick31762 said in Jimmie Foxx is unjammable:
@DriveByTrucker17 said in Jimmie Foxx is unjammable:
I didn’t believe his swing could be as amazing as everyone says it is, but then I picked up the 95 version.
I now see the light, and have realized what a naive fool I was.
I am a glad you have seen the light. I guess I am playing the wrong guys. I have gotten him out rather easy.
Yea the one time you've faced him in your last 30+ games you did well against him...
That's a pretty big sample size..
Not accurate but that is
You've faced him once in your last 45 games, I don't think a guy hitting in the .250s struggling to get out of wildcard should really be considered a sample size for you being able to get him out "rather easy" but if you think so then all the power to you. We all know you're willing to die on this hill because you can't comprehend the fact that you couldn't hit with him while the overwhelming majority of players that have him can..
The only people I've seen who didn't absolutely rake with Foxx are the people in all star purgatory and haven't gotten out since the game launched
Well this in of itself is breaking news. So there ARE people who don't rake with him? Some people don't understand that such people exist. Maybe some truth to this. Ironically, when I got him I was in the end of WS. I actually was getting weak base hits. When the season restarted he was not hitting anything. I subsequently sold him.
btw...if anyone is questioning the accuracy of my statements...ask Skepple he will go back 220 games to see this is true.
You play a whole lot of games to not be able to hit with the second best swing in the game, that's pretty depressing ngl, I feel for you
If not being able to hit with Foxx is something that would actually make YOU think someone would feel depressed. I feel more for you. Life is good even when Foxx aint hitting for me. This maybe a shock but there is a lot more to life than this game or this site. Maybe that is why I am not as good. I have other things going on. I hope you have other things going on.
This reply is just an extended version of "I know you are but what am I"
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@Maverick31762 said in Jimmie Foxx is unjammable:
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@TheHungryHole said in Jimmie Foxx is unjammable:
@DriveByTrucker17 said in Jimmie Foxx is unjammable:
@skepple15 said in Jimmie Foxx is unjammable:
@Maverick31762 said in Jimmie Foxx is unjammable:
@DriveByTrucker17 said in Jimmie Foxx is unjammable:
I didn’t believe his swing could be as amazing as everyone says it is, but then I picked up the 95 version.
I now see the light, and have realized what a naive fool I was.
I am a glad you have seen the light. I guess I am playing the wrong guys. I have gotten him out rather easy.
Yea the one time you've faced him in your last 30+ games you did well against him...
That's a pretty big sample size..
Maverick would rather use a crappy SS Joe Carter than one of the best cards in the game lmao
lolllll
hey now dont rip on Joe The Man
he missed a SS this year (one can dream right)
Not necessarily ripping on joe carter, just how maverick constantly cries about not getting him despite 1. Carter barely having an average career, and already having a card representing the one thing he’s remembered for, and 2. There being lots more players with much, much better careers without SS cards.
Average career = 5x all stars, 396 career homers, 10 100 RBI seasons. Yes, that is what the average MLB player does.
Yeah...ok
You just don't get that he is the ONLY guy of the original 30 w/o a SS and that makes it unusual. Also If you think Huff, Gordon, Hafner or Floyd are significantly better, well then you know about as much about baseball as I have always suspected. But its ok...you trolling me is NOT derailing the thread. Its me with these crazy..."thoughts"
All-stars are meaningless. RBI are meaningless. Homeruns are good, but they don’t tell the whole story, just a minute fraction of it. A guy can hit lots of homeruns but not be a very good overall hitter.
It doesn’t matter if he is the only 1 of 30 to not get an SS card. He doesn’t need one. He wouldn’t even be in the game period if he didn’t hit a walkoff homerun in the World Series.
Huff and Carter are about equal career wise, but Huff had 4 seasons that were better than Carter’s best season offensively.
You’ve already been told why Gordon is much better than Carter. Hafner was an offensive machine before injuries derailed his career, and even after coming back from injuries still put up offensive numbers just as good as Carter’s best. He also still finished with more fWAR than Carter, and with a 132 wRC+. Floyd had at least 3 seasons that were better than Carter’s best season offensively, and finished with more fWAR as well.
If you think having a career fWAR total of 17.1 in 14 years and a career wRC+ of 102 isn’t average, I don’t know what to tell you. 100 wRC+ is literally league average, and that’s what Carter’s career was.
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@DriveByTrucker17 said in Jimmie Foxx is unjammable:
@Maverick31762 said in Jimmie Foxx is unjammable:
@DriveByTrucker17 said in Jimmie Foxx is unjammable:
@TheHungryHole said in Jimmie Foxx is unjammable:
@DriveByTrucker17 said in Jimmie Foxx is unjammable:
@skepple15 said in Jimmie Foxx is unjammable:
@Maverick31762 said in Jimmie Foxx is unjammable:
@DriveByTrucker17 said in Jimmie Foxx is unjammable:
I didn’t believe his swing could be as amazing as everyone says it is, but then I picked up the 95 version.
I now see the light, and have realized what a naive fool I was.
I am a glad you have seen the light. I guess I am playing the wrong guys. I have gotten him out rather easy.
Yea the one time you've faced him in your last 30+ games you did well against him...
That's a pretty big sample size..
Maverick would rather use a crappy SS Joe Carter than one of the best cards in the game lmao
lolllll
hey now dont rip on Joe The Man
he missed a SS this year (one can dream right)
Not necessarily ripping on joe carter, just how maverick constantly cries about not getting him despite 1. Carter barely having an average career, and already having a card representing the one thing he’s remembered for, and 2. There being lots more players with much, much better careers without SS cards.
Average career = 5x all stars, 396 career homers, 10 100 RBI seasons. Yes, that is what the average MLB player does.
Yeah...ok
You just don't get that he is the ONLY guy of the original 30 w/o a SS and that makes it unusual. Also If you think Huff, Gordon, Hafner or Floyd are significantly better, well then you know about as much about baseball as I have always suspected. But its ok...you trolling me is NOT derailing the thread. Its me with these crazy..."thoughts"
All-stars are meaningless. RBI are meaningless. Homeruns are good, but they don’t tell the whole story, just a minute fraction of it. A guy can hit lots of homeruns but not be a very good overall hitter.
It doesn’t matter if he is the only 1 of 30 to not get an SS card. He doesn’t need one. He wouldn’t even be in the game period if he didn’t hit a walkoff homerun in the World Series.
Huff and Carter are about equal career wise, but Huff had 4 seasons that were better than Carter’s best season offensively.
You’ve already been told why Gordon is much better than Carter. Hafner was an offensive machine before injuries derailed his career, and even after coming back from injuries still put up offensive numbers just as good as Carter’s best. He also still finished with more fWAR than Carter, and with a 132 wRC+. Floyd had at least 3 seasons that were better than Carter’s best season offensively, and finished with more fWAR as well.
If you think having a career fWAR total of 17.1 in 14 years and a career wRC+ of 102 isn’t average, I don’t know what to tell you. 100 wRC+ is literally league average, and that’s what Carter’s career was.
Respectfully I disagree on Hafner and Carter. I was and still am big fans of both of them and I think Hafner could have been great.
Carter had 9 seasons with 150+ games played, Hafner had one. And Carter played the field the vast majority of his career while Hafner DH'ed the vast majority of his.
Add in 2 world series wins (one very memorable one), 5 AS games, 2 SS awards, a 30-30 season and a top 3 MVP finish and he gets the edge over Hafner's injury shortened career.
Would Hafner's numbers be much better if he wasn't derailed by injuries? Probably, but that didn't happen. Durability counts for something too.
Carter was just an above average player not a superstar, just like Hafner. Does Carter deserve an SS? No, but if Pronk does then he certainly does.
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@abbyspapa said in Jimmie Foxx is unjammable:
Carter was just an above average player not a superstar, just like Hafner. Does Carter deserve an SS? No, but if Pronk does then he certainly does.
Well said sir
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@JustASeal0 said in Jimmie Foxx is unjammable:
@Maverick31762 said in Jimmie Foxx is unjammable:
@JustASeal0 said in Jimmie Foxx is unjammable:
@Maverick31762 said in Jimmie Foxx is unjammable:
@JustASeal0 said in Jimmie Foxx is unjammable:
@skepple15 said in Jimmie Foxx is unjammable:
@Maverick31762 said in Jimmie Foxx is unjammable:
@skepple15 said in Jimmie Foxx is unjammable:
@Maverick31762 said in Jimmie Foxx is unjammable:
@DriveByTrucker17 said in Jimmie Foxx is unjammable:
I didn’t believe his swing could be as amazing as everyone says it is, but then I picked up the 95 version.
I now see the light, and have realized what a naive fool I was.
I am a glad you have seen the light. I guess I am playing the wrong guys. I have gotten him out rather easy.
Yea the one time you've faced him in your last 30+ games you did well against him...
That's a pretty big sample size..
Not accurate but that is
You've faced him once in your last 45 games, I don't think a guy hitting in the .250s struggling to get out of wildcard should really be considered a sample size for you being able to get him out "rather easy" but if you think so then all the power to you. We all know you're willing to die on this hill because you can't comprehend the fact that you couldn't hit with him while the overwhelming majority of players that have him can..
The only people I've seen who didn't absolutely rake with Foxx are the people in all star purgatory and haven't gotten out since the game launched
Well this in of itself is breaking news. So there ARE people who don't rake with him? Some people don't understand that such people exist. Maybe some truth to this. Ironically, when I got him I was in the end of WS. I actually was getting weak base hits. When the season restarted he was not hitting anything. I subsequently sold him.
btw...if anyone is questioning the accuracy of my statements...ask Skepple he will go back 220 games to see this is true.
You play a whole lot of games to not be able to hit with the second best swing in the game, that's pretty depressing ngl, I feel for you
If not being able to hit with Foxx is something that would actually make YOU think someone would feel depressed. I feel more for you. Life is good even when Foxx aint hitting for me. This maybe a shock but there is a lot more to life than this game or this site. Maybe that is why I am not as good. I have other things going on. I hope you have other things going on.
This reply is just an extended version of "I know you are but what am I"
No it’s not, but if that is all you can take from it...sure whatever.
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@DriveByTrucker17 said in Jimmie Foxx is unjammable:
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@DriveByTrucker17 said in Jimmie Foxx is unjammable:
@skepple15 said in Jimmie Foxx is unjammable:
@Maverick31762 said in Jimmie Foxx is unjammable:
@DriveByTrucker17 said in Jimmie Foxx is unjammable:
I didn’t believe his swing could be as amazing as everyone says it is, but then I picked up the 95 version.
I now see the light, and have realized what a naive fool I was.
I am a glad you have seen the light. I guess I am playing the wrong guys. I have gotten him out rather easy.
Yea the one time you've faced him in your last 30+ games you did well against him...
That's a pretty big sample size..
Maverick would rather use a crappy SS Joe Carter than one of the best cards in the game lmao
lolllll
hey now dont rip on Joe The Man
he missed a SS this year (one can dream right)
Not necessarily ripping on joe carter, just how maverick constantly cries about not getting him despite 1. Carter barely having an average career, and already having a card representing the one thing he’s remembered for, and 2. There being lots more players with much, much better careers without SS cards.
Average career = 5x all stars, 396 career homers, 10 100 RBI seasons. Yes, that is what the average MLB player does.
Yeah...ok
You just don't get that he is the ONLY guy of the original 30 w/o a SS and that makes it unusual. Also If you think Huff, Gordon, Hafner or Floyd are significantly better, well then you know about as much about baseball as I have always suspected. But its ok...you trolling me is NOT derailing the thread. Its me with these crazy..."thoughts"
All-stars are meaningless. RBI are meaningless. Homeruns are good, but they don’t tell the whole story, just a minute fraction of it. A guy can hit lots of homeruns but not be a very good overall hitter.
It doesn’t matter if he is the only 1 of 30 to not get an SS card. He doesn’t need one. He wouldn’t even be in the game period if he didn’t hit a walkoff homerun in the World Series.
Huff and Carter are about equal career wise, but Huff had 4 seasons that were better than Carter’s best season offensively.
You’ve already been told why Gordon is much better than Carter. Hafner was an offensive machine before injuries derailed his career, and even after coming back from injuries still put up offensive numbers just as good as Carter’s best. He also still finished with more fWAR than Carter, and with a 132 wRC+. Floyd had at least 3 seasons that were better than Carter’s best season offensively, and finished with more fWAR as well.
If you think having a career fWAR total of 17.1 in 14 years and a career wRC+ of 102 isn’t average, I don’t know what to tell you. 100 wRC+ is literally league average, and that’s what Carter’s career was.
Ok...you have made this poor argument before. Once again you throw out every bit of evidence and focus only on WAR. Or stats that are derivative of WAR. It’s a poor argument no matter how many times I have been “told”
Not even certain why you waste the time typing it. Did you think I was going to say...”Great point, I shouldn’t look at any other bit of evidence and only look at sabermetrics that on the face of it don’t reflect his performance. But now that you have said this for the 10th time I see how you are right”
Worst off you still haven’t understood my core argument about him not having a SS isn’t really based on his performance but on him being 1of 30 to NOT get a SS. But whatever, not certain why I wasted time responding. You are what you are.
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Fun fact the average MLB career is 5.6 years. Carter played 16.
There have been about 15000 MLB players in history. Let’s say half were pitchers for argument sake. Meaning placing anything above 3500 would make you above average in a given stat
He is top 250 at worst in every offensive category. So that puts him in top 7% of offensive players in every major category. Usually, average means in the middle so he should be in only top 50% but I guess for you too 7% all time is now average. It’s ok i know math isn’t your thing
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@Maverick31762 said in Jimmie Foxx is unjammable:
@DriveByTrucker17 said in Jimmie Foxx is unjammable:
I didn’t believe his swing could be as amazing as everyone says it is, but then I picked up the 95 version.
I now see the light, and have realized what a naive fool I was.
I am a glad you have seen the light. I guess I am playing the wrong guys. I have gotten him out rather easy.
Yea the one time you've faced him in your last 30+ games you did well against him...
That's a pretty big sample size..
Maverick would rather use a crappy SS Joe Carter than one of the best cards in the game lmao
lolllll
hey now dont rip on Joe The Man
he missed a SS this year (one can dream right)
Not necessarily ripping on joe carter, just how maverick constantly cries about not getting him despite 1. Carter barely having an average career, and already having a card representing the one thing he’s remembered for, and 2. There being lots more players with much, much better careers without SS cards.
Average career = 5x all stars, 396 career homers, 10 100 RBI seasons. Yes, that is what the average MLB player does.
Yeah...ok
You just don't get that he is the ONLY guy of the original 30 w/o a SS and that makes it unusual. Also If you think Huff, Gordon, Hafner or Floyd are significantly better, well then you know about as much about baseball as I have always suspected. But its ok...you trolling me is NOT derailing the thread. Its me with these crazy..."thoughts"
All-stars are meaningless. RBI are meaningless. Homeruns are good, but they don’t tell the whole story, just a minute fraction of it. A guy can hit lots of homeruns but not be a very good overall hitter.
It doesn’t matter if he is the only 1 of 30 to not get an SS card. He doesn’t need one. He wouldn’t even be in the game period if he didn’t hit a walkoff homerun in the World Series.
Huff and Carter are about equal career wise, but Huff had 4 seasons that were better than Carter’s best season offensively.
You’ve already been told why Gordon is much better than Carter. Hafner was an offensive machine before injuries derailed his career, and even after coming back from injuries still put up offensive numbers just as good as Carter’s best. He also still finished with more fWAR than Carter, and with a 132 wRC+. Floyd had at least 3 seasons that were better than Carter’s best season offensively, and finished with more fWAR as well.
If you think having a career fWAR total of 17.1 in 14 years and a career wRC+ of 102 isn’t average, I don’t know what to tell you. 100 wRC+ is literally league average, and that’s what Carter’s career was.
Ok...you have made this poor argument before. Once again you throw out every bit of evidence and focus only on WAR. Or stats that are derivative of WAR. It’s a poor argument no matter how many times I have been “told”
Not even certain why you waste the time typing it. Did you think I was going to say...”Great point, I shouldn’t look at any other bit of evidence and only look at sabermetrics that on the face of it don’t reflect his performance. But now that you have said this for the 10th time I see how you are right”
Worst off you still haven’t understood my core argument about him not having a SS isn’t really based on his performance but on him being 1of 30 to NOT get a SS. But whatever, not certain why I wasted time responding. You are what you are.
No one expects you to ever change your mind. I won't say anything more as I've learned my lesson about "bullying".
One thing I'll add is that wRC+ isn't a derivative of WAR. Here is the definition for your convenience:
"Weighted Runs Created Plus (wRC+)
wRC+ takes the statistic Runs Created and adjusts that number to account for important external factors -- like ballpark or era. It's adjusted, so a wRC+ of 100 is league average and 150 would be 50 percent above league average."
On this metric Carter was average.
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I didn’t believe his swing could be as amazing as everyone says it is, but then I picked up the 95 version.
I now see the light, and have realized what a naive fool I was.
I am a glad you have seen the light. I guess I am playing the wrong guys. I have gotten him out rather easy.
Yea the one time you've faced him in your last 30+ games you did well against him...
That's a pretty big sample size..
Maverick would rather use a crappy SS Joe Carter than one of the best cards in the game lmao
lolllll
hey now dont rip on Joe The Man
he missed a SS this year (one can dream right)
Not necessarily ripping on joe carter, just how maverick constantly cries about not getting him despite 1. Carter barely having an average career, and already having a card representing the one thing he’s remembered for, and 2. There being lots more players with much, much better careers without SS cards.
Average career = 5x all stars, 396 career homers, 10 100 RBI seasons. Yes, that is what the average MLB player does.
Yeah...ok
You just don't get that he is the ONLY guy of the original 30 w/o a SS and that makes it unusual. Also If you think Huff, Gordon, Hafner or Floyd are significantly better, well then you know about as much about baseball as I have always suspected. But its ok...you trolling me is NOT derailing the thread. Its me with these crazy..."thoughts"
All-stars are meaningless. RBI are meaningless. Homeruns are good, but they don’t tell the whole story, just a minute fraction of it. A guy can hit lots of homeruns but not be a very good overall hitter.
It doesn’t matter if he is the only 1 of 30 to not get an SS card. He doesn’t need one. He wouldn’t even be in the game period if he didn’t hit a walkoff homerun in the World Series.
Huff and Carter are about equal career wise, but Huff had 4 seasons that were better than Carter’s best season offensively.
You’ve already been told why Gordon is much better than Carter. Hafner was an offensive machine before injuries derailed his career, and even after coming back from injuries still put up offensive numbers just as good as Carter’s best. He also still finished with more fWAR than Carter, and with a 132 wRC+. Floyd had at least 3 seasons that were better than Carter’s best season offensively, and finished with more fWAR as well.
If you think having a career fWAR total of 17.1 in 14 years and a career wRC+ of 102 isn’t average, I don’t know what to tell you. 100 wRC+ is literally league average, and that’s what Carter’s career was.
Ok...you have made this poor argument before. Once again you throw out every bit of evidence and focus only on WAR. Or stats that are derivative of WAR. It’s a poor argument no matter how many times I have been “told”
Not even certain why you waste the time typing it. Did you think I was going to say...”Great point, I shouldn’t look at any other bit of evidence and only look at sabermetrics that on the face of it don’t reflect his performance. But now that you have said this for the 10th time I see how you are right”
Worst off you still haven’t understood my core argument about him not having a SS isn’t really based on his performance but on him being 1of 30 to NOT get a SS. But whatever, not certain why I wasted time responding. You are what you are.
No one expects you to ever change your mind. I won't say anything more as I've learned my lesson about "bullying".
One thing I'll add is that wRC+ isn't a derivative of WAR. Here is the definition for your convenience:
"Weighted Runs Created Plus (wRC+)
wRC+ takes the statistic Runs Created and adjusts that number to account for important external factors -- like ballpark or era. It's adjusted, so a wRC+ of 100 is league average and 150 would be 50 percent above league average."
On this metric Carter was average.
Hmmm. This tells me that you do t really know how WAR is calculated. But you know how to copy and paste. It’s ok though MOST people don’t understand the math behind it. But it’s cool.
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@Maverick31762 said in Jimmie Foxx is unjammable:
Hmmm. This tells me that you do t really know how WAR is calculated. But you know how to copy and paste. It’s ok though MOST people don’t understand the math behind it. But it’s cool.
Trust me, I understand it perfectly well.
"The basic currency of WAR is runs. We start with runs added or lost versus an average player and then compare the average player to a replacement player. I just got done saying we don't want to use averages, but an equation should explain what we are doing here.
Players Runs over Replacement = Player_runs - ReplPlayer_runs = (Player_runs - AvgPlayer_runs) + (AvgPlayer_runs - ReplPlayer_runs)
This gives us two components, player runs above average (RAA) and then the average player's runs above replacement.
Ultimately, baseball teams are interested in wins and losses, and so is WAR. RAA is converted to wins above average by running the results through a PythagenPat win-loss estimator (a rundown of PythagenPat). This allows us to more accurately model the interaction between the player and league and the effect on wins. Generally, ten runs will give you one win, but that does not always hold.
Adding up all of the WAR on a team (adding in replacement level (48 wins for a full season)), should get you very, very close to the team's actual wins and losses, and should match up even more closely with their Pythagorean win-loss records."
Also,
"WAR for position players has six components:
Batting Runs
Baserunning Runs
Runs added or lost due to Grounding into Double Plays in DP situations
Fielding Runs
Positional Adjustment Runs
Replacement level Runs (based on playing time)
The first five measurements are all compared against league average, so a value of zero will equate to a league average player. Less than zero means worse than average, and greater than zero means better than average. These five correspond to the first half of our equation above (Player_runs - AvgPlayer_runs). The sixth factor is the second half of the equation (AvgPlayer_runs - ReplPlayer_runs)."Meanwhile the formula for wRC+ is the following:
"(((wRAA per PA + league runs per PA) + (league runs per PA - ballpark factor x league runs per PA) / league wRC per plate appearance, not including pitchers)) x 100."
It was you who specifically said that wRC+ is a derivative (that is "something which is based on another source") of WAR. The use of the wRAA (or RAA) stat does not mean that wRC+ is based on WAR.
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Imagine a world where copy and paste skills were equivalent to knowledge.
If I copied a nuclear physics formula from a website would I understand nuclear power plants. No, not really. But feel free to copy and paste whatever you would like. It isn’t derailing the thread at all.
Can you also copy and paste why he is 1 of 30 to not be given a SS
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@Maverick31762 said in Jimmie Foxx is unjammable:
Imagine a world where copy and paste skills were equivalent to knowledge.
If I copied a nuclear physics formula from a website would I understand nuclear power plants. No, not really. But feel free to copy and paste whatever you would like. It isn’t derailing the thread at all.
Can you also copy and paste why he is 1 of 30 to not be given a SS
Nope and I don't know for sure why they made this call. Clearly they thought that in the grand scheme of things Carter wasn't all that requested or needed.
I'm copy pasting these because it saves me time. I don't have the time or the inclination to rephrase these formulas for your perusal.
Now, if you feel like my point is inaccurate then feel free to point it out.
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Glad you admitted you don’t know why he wasn’t included. That was the point
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You didn’t make a point about WAR you copied and pasted parts of the formula.
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Go get your last word. I am bored with you
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@Maverick31762 said in Jimmie Foxx is unjammable:
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Glad you admitted you don’t know why he wasn’t included. That was the point
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You didn’t make a point about WAR you copied and pasted parts of the formula.
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Go get your last word. I am bored with you
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That wasn't my point - you specifically stated that wRC+ is a derivative of WAR
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I didn't attempt to make a point about WAR. I simply demonstrated that wRC+ is not a derivative of WAR unlike incorrectly asserted by you.
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@SefarR said in Jimmie Foxx is unjammable:
@Maverick31762 said in Jimmie Foxx is unjammable:
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Glad you admitted you don’t know why he wasn’t included. That was the point
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You didn’t make a point about WAR you copied and pasted parts of the formula.
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Go get your last word. I am bored with you
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That wasn't my point - you specifically stated that wRC+ is a derivative of WAR
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I didn't attempt to make a point about WAR. I simply demonstrated that wRC+ is not a derivative of WAR unlikely incorrectly asserted by you.
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@SefarR said in Jimmie Foxx is unjammable:
@Maverick31762 said in Jimmie Foxx is unjammable:
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Glad you admitted you don’t know why he wasn’t included. That was the point
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You didn’t make a point about WAR you copied and pasted parts of the formula.
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Go get your last word. I am bored with you
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That wasn't my point - you specifically stated that wRC+ is a derivative of WAR
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I didn't attempt to make a point about WAR. I simply demonstrated that wRC+ is not a derivative of WAR unlike incorrectly asserted by you.
He's basically a self glorified troll, not worth the time when he's insisting on never being wrong and nit picking every argument for pointless issues
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