The biggest misconception...
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@dcordash1 said in The biggest misconception...:
@SchnauzerFace said in The biggest misconception...:
I am willing to bet my pension that there are zero people on this earth who care that you’re alive.
I believe you do now.
And that's great..to quote my favorite commercial "We're all in this together". Actually, pretty much all commercials these days.
Your words make no sense. Be coherent.
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@SchnauzerFace said in The biggest misconception...:
Your words make no sense. Be coherent.
You know they do..and that's what really makes you keep replying.
Fuhgetabout outdueling me in a MaleDonkeyHole contest. An amateur sub-16 year old that is betting a pension? C'mon kid..you reek of transparency.
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@dcordash1 said in The biggest misconception...:
@SchnauzerFace said in The biggest misconception...:
Your words make no sense. Be coherent.
You know they do..and that's what really makes you keep replying.
Fuhgetabout outdueling me in a MaleDonkeyHole contest. An amateur sub-16 year old that is betting a pension? C'mon kid..you reek of transparency.
Try sub-11.
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@SchnauzerFace said in The biggest misconception...:
Try sub-11.
OK..I have to give you credit not bad comebacks for a 10-year old. You spelled most everything correctly. Used the word "hyperbolic" almost correctly..just not quite right in the context you used it though.
However, if you were a couple years older it was definitely weak and you should work on the vocabulary and art of snarky.
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Ok, explain the average players [censored] poor batting averages, and then the elite players, playing with the same cards against better opponents on higher difficulties hitting .400 as a team?
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@dcordash1 said in The biggest misconception...:
@LankyRyan said in The biggest misconception...:
but I don't ever feel that the trajectory has different results pitch to pitch.
Well, I just have to disagree with that one. It's actually pretty obvious.
I thought about recording the animation but, realized what good would that do. On these boards, not only are you arguing against SDS fanboys (which can be anything from an actual employee to others with vested interests in sales) you also encounter the "my-way bias". So, even the most obvious video would not sway most of the fanboys.
Honestly i know what he is talking about. Sometimes pitches just don't end where they look like they should. Especially as he mentioned change ups and low fastballs, that look like they are going straight to the dirt and end up in the zone. But I honestly brushed it off as maybe the response time on my tv so ikd but i definitely knlw what he is talking about.
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@j9milz said in The biggest misconception...:
the response time on my tv
I don't believe the animation trajectory could have anything to do with lag. That's just my opinion.
I think these sort of animations are all about the AI ensuring a preordained outcome and fudging the pitch results believing we won't notice. Not entirely unlike AI plays fast and loose with errors and caught stealings.
The physics model behind stealing or how long it takes a player to get from home to 1B is laughable at times. Henderson getting a 2 bump lead, busting loose as soon as the pitcher starts the wind, change-up, average armed catcher...throws Ricky out by 2 steps. I've seen it too many times. Just randomized software generated animation that generally is believable, but way too often ain't.
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@dcordash1 said in The biggest misconception...:
And why I finally just walked away from the game.
Writing this in hopes it can change but, based on what I'm pretty confident is how MLB the Show works it would take a complete software rewrite. There is enough revenue being generated now by those that "believe" they are playing a simulation that is based on skill. It's not skill...perhaps the most mundane that even the beginner has..but not a skill that can be developed through perpetual play or advantage gained by having 90+ players.
Not saying anything that hasn't been, likely, talked about many times over the years. But, the biggest misconception in this game is the results of the pitch/swing placement is based on real world physics. If it were, skill would indeed come into play. But, it's not.
I don't expect anyone to believe me. Just watch very carefully yourself as you play. Watch the change-ups coming in as a strike when you don't swing..but the exact same pitch and trajectory drops it down in the dirt on the next pitch. Makes you feel foolish, but you shouldn't. You're playing against AI generated animation...not real life physics.
Watch your PCI swing location end up either slightly enough away from where you KNOW you guided the controller or, often, not even in the same vicinity. This whole argument over perfect-swing, etc. is irrelevant because it's the AI that writes the script to each and every pitch. It's the AI that will give you the vibration and hard-contact audio and make you believe you hit the ball square. Doesn't mean you did. It's the same way when you know you shoulda hit it square and you get the smothered audio of a "rolled-over" swing.
None of it is skill. There is more skill factor written into every RPG or First-shooter I've ever played than this game. It's been said before by many..playing MLB the Show is like watching a game, because you aren't really in control of the outcome.
I also suspect there will be many SDS fanboys with marketing agendas that will disagree with everything I say. It usually comes down to "Well, how can some people always be 800+" if there weren't skill involved. And, I've replied many times to that..it's an illusion the SDS marketers have created in an attempt to give credence to this game. That's not tin-foil and conspiracy. It's just simple business/marketing tactics in order to promote a game with an attempt to inject authenticity. It's the only thing they got because experience and observation from all of us that have played it (way more than we should have) reinforce the fact it's a game being controlled by AI that randomly gives outcomes based on what keeps players coming back.
Is it about driving us to buy more cards? Not even sure about that because you might have a team of 90+ diamonds playing a team of silver-golds and lose handily. Why? I think that's just because the randomization doesn't even take into consideration the player-card skills. Which is another very sad part of the game.
And,this is my own personal experience. I've never-ever-ever gotten so angry about a game as this one. It's because I hate being cheated and duped. I hate wasting 13 innings playing a match and suddenly a relief pitcher goes deep on me when I throw a slider 6 inches off the plate. Just so-so many reasons this game upsets me. And, I'm done letting a freaking game control my emotions.
OK, back to Outer Worlds. Much more believable and satisfying.
Imagine writing this gigantic post and all of it being wrong. Have fun playing a mediocre game while the adults play this and laugh at you
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I read through the OP post and some of the replies but hard to take anything anyone says seriously when it sounds more and more like a troll. Well thought out, yes but name calling and going to pitiful chirps in the replies just kills pretty much all credibility
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@dcordash1 said in The biggest misconception...:
@DeckerCurtis2002 said in The biggest misconception...:
Don't get me wrong, there are definitely times when I feel screwed over by the game, but 90% of the time, if i lose i know i deserved to lose, because my opponent was clearly better than me, and when I win, i was better than my opponent.
Are you drunk, having some euphoric experience form Ms. Molly? If so, we all have to get through the Lockdown the best we can..more power to ya. But if you're trolling or getting paid by SDS I don't believe your "philosophy". I don't typically call out folks, but that is just a ridiculous statement.
And, since I'm already calling you out...find another percent to throw around. Everyone out here is of the 90% club. C'mon, you have a percent range from 1-100. Use the numbers available when you are talking out your rear. I might believe 89%, but not 90%. Ha.
wow you have issues...not only do you not know what you are talking about but you are attacking people for disagreeing with you. How sad and pathetic. Grow up and learn a thing or two before you post again
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@dcordash1 said in The biggest misconception...:
@SchnauzerFace said in The biggest misconception...:
Try sub-11.
OK..I have to give you credit not bad comebacks for a 10-year old. You spelled most everything correctly. Used the word "hyperbolic" almost correctly..just not quite right in the context you used it though.
However, if you were a couple years older it was definitely weak and you should work on the vocabulary and art of snarky.
I love irony...especially when you claim he didn't use the word "hyperbolic" correctly when he did. You are sad
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@Rabid55Wolverine said in The biggest misconception...:
when it sounds more and more like a troll.
When the trolls are trolling you, my friend, you reply in kind. I stick with everything i mentioned in my post. It's fact that I'm sure someone could absolutely prove if they felt it worth the time.
I'm just sharing observations.
And you want to talk about credibility. MLB the hit Show lost it's credibility the very first time it generated an animation that was not right. An animation our eyes, experience, and instinct knows is improbable...and often impossible.
A game can not be credible 90% (that's a number I keep seeing out here..not one I would actually use myself but thought it relevant) of the time...accurate 10%. And, believe me I'm being VERY generous with the 90%.
Because that completely nullifies any sort of competitive aspect. Any chance of it aspiring to be a simulation. Just makes it another arcade game. Albeit pretty.
And whether you win or lose, you walk away from most every game feeling pretty empty and unfulfilled because you know it wasn't your skills (at least much) that dictated the outcome.
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@dcordash1 said in The biggest misconception...:
@Rabid55Wolverine said in The biggest misconception...:
when it sounds more and more like a troll.
When the trolls are trolling you, my friend, you reply in kind. I stick with everything i mentioned in my post. It's fact that I'm sure someone could absolutely prove if they felt it worth the time.
I'm just sharing observations.
And you want to talk about credibility. MLB the hit Show lost it's credibility the very first time it generated an animation that was not right. An animation our eyes, experience, and instinct knows is improbable...and often impossible.
A game can not be credible 90% (that's a number I keep seeing out here..not one I would actually use myself but thought it relevant) of the time...accurate 10%. And, believe me I'm being VERY generous with the 90%.
Because that completely nullifies any sort of competitive aspect. Any chance of it aspiring to be a simulation. Just makes it another arcade game. Albeit pretty.
And whether you win or lose, you walk away from most every game feeling pretty empty and unfulfilled because you know it wasn't your skills (at least much) that dictated the outcome.
I never said that the game has credibility, I said you. Up to you if you want to respond to trolls that way but you just sound and stupid as they do. I was hoping for a decent thread about the state of the game but the bickering and name calling makes it all a joke.
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@Rabid55Wolverine said in The biggest misconception...:
but the bickering and name calling
Hope we didn't hurt your feelings. We're all in this together.
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OP lost his tinfoil hat somewhere
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@SchnauzerFace said in The biggest misconception...:
Anytime I see hyperbolic claims like “none of it is skill,” I immediately stop caring what the poster said. Is there RNG and an element of chance? Yes. Obviously. Duh. But if there was no skill involved, everyone would be roughly .500. There would be no McGunskis or Kyles or Pitching_Rebels or countless others who consistently are among the top players in the world. No one is that lucky.
You can cry all day if you lost a close one, but the vast majority of the time you lose it’s because you didn’t deserve the W. I read all these threads that moan like little girls because they give up an Early/OK homer in the 9th, but they fail to mention a) that they also benefited from Early/OKs in the game, and b) that they probably also had 27 outs from bad PCI placement or just picking bad places to be aggressive.
A lot of the game sucks, but the good players manage to win anyway. If you still want to claim there is no skill involved then you’ve chosen a really pitiful hill to die on.
You can look at the leaderboard and make an opinion, but you’ve never even seen it with the best players. If SDS decides to make it personal and invite everyone but the Rebels, mcgunskis, and Kyles too events like they did CB5 you’ll probably start to see it differently. You only know those guys names because you’re new, you’ve played the bad years and think their the best when in reality CB5 made them all look like average WS players when the game had a big enough skill gap to allow it. He spoke about flaws and was immediately tossed away as the original community partner, now we get guys advertising offsite stub purchases instead of the far and away best player getting us information from Devs about things like the HR/9 impact online.
The relationship between the Devs and community is in a bad place unless you’ve never seen it in a good one. We had players like Quash well known for destroying online leagues and being toxic given partnership and participating in freeze offs on secondary accounts against community members instead of people like CB5. When that’s your first year playing, you might be like whoa cool, they put people in the game, when you’ve played for a while, you wonder why if they do it as a joke like Mario Mendoza or Pepe Alazar.
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@DrewshBag420 said in The biggest misconception...:
wow you have issues...not only do you not know what you are talking about but you are attacking people for disagreeing with you. How sad and pathetic. Grow up and learn a thing or two before you post again
Ok, so your post histories follow you obviously. Every post I see from you is arguing with anyone that is critical of the game. Now, I only checked about 4 that WEREN'T mine. Not a super large sample set but I wasted more time than I should have just checking that.
So, anyway, this just underscores the fact you have a vested interest in railing on the game's critics. Only you know why that is.
And, based on the generic reply to my post you could be a bot and I'm arguing with you. OH well, better than getting enraged playing the ridiculous game.
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Well, how come some people always be 800+
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@SchnauzerFace said in The biggest misconception...:
Anytime I see hyperbolic claims like “none of it is skill,” I immediately stop caring what the poster said. Is there RNG and an element of chance? Yes. Obviously. Duh. But if there was no skill involved, everyone would be roughly .500. There would be no McGunskis or Kyles or Pitching_Rebels or countless others who consistently are among the top players in the world. No one is that lucky.
You can cry all day if you lost a close one, but the vast majority of the time you lose it’s because you didn’t deserve the W. I read all these threads that moan like little girls because they give up an Early/OK homer in the 9th, but they fail to mention a) that they also benefited from Early/OKs in the game, and b) that they probably also had 27 outs from bad PCI placement or just picking bad places to be aggressive.
A lot of the game sucks, but the good players manage to win anyway. If you still want to claim there is no skill involved then you’ve chosen a really pitiful hill to die on.
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