The biggest misconception...
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And why I finally just walked away from the game.
Writing this in hopes it can change but, based on what I'm pretty confident is how MLB the Show works it would take a complete software rewrite. There is enough revenue being generated now by those that "believe" they are playing a simulation that is based on skill. It's not skill...perhaps the most mundane that even the beginner has..but not a skill that can be developed through perpetual play or advantage gained by having 90+ players.
Not saying anything that hasn't been, likely, talked about many times over the years. But, the biggest misconception in this game is the results of the pitch/swing placement is based on real world physics. If it were, skill would indeed come into play. But, it's not.
I don't expect anyone to believe me. Just watch very carefully yourself as you play. Watch the change-ups coming in as a strike when you don't swing..but the exact same pitch and trajectory drops it down in the dirt on the next pitch. Makes you feel foolish, but you shouldn't. You're playing against AI generated animation...not real life physics.
Watch your PCI swing location end up either slightly enough away from where you KNOW you guided the controller or, often, not even in the same vicinity. This whole argument over perfect-swing, etc. is irrelevant because it's the AI that writes the script to each and every pitch. It's the AI that will give you the vibration and hard-contact audio and make you believe you hit the ball square. Doesn't mean you did. It's the same way when you know you shoulda hit it square and you get the smothered audio of a "rolled-over" swing.
None of it is skill. There is more skill factor written into every RPG or First-shooter I've ever played than this game. It's been said before by many..playing MLB the Show is like watching a game, because you aren't really in control of the outcome.
I also suspect there will be many SDS fanboys with marketing agendas that will disagree with everything I say. It usually comes down to "Well, how can some people always be 800+" if there weren't skill involved. And, I've replied many times to that..it's an illusion the SDS marketers have created in an attempt to give credence to this game. That's not tin-foil and conspiracy. It's just simple business/marketing tactics in order to promote a game with an attempt to inject authenticity. It's the only thing they got because experience and observation from all of us that have played it (way more than we should have) reinforce the fact it's a game being controlled by AI that randomly gives outcomes based on what keeps players coming back.
Is it about driving us to buy more cards? Not even sure about that because you might have a team of 90+ diamonds playing a team of silver-golds and lose handily. Why? I think that's just because the randomization doesn't even take into consideration the player-card skills. Which is another very sad part of the game.
And,this is my own personal experience. I've never-ever-ever gotten so angry about a game as this one. It's because I hate being cheated and duped. I hate wasting 13 innings playing a match and suddenly a relief pitcher goes deep on me when I throw a slider 6 inches off the plate. Just so-so many reasons this game upsets me. And, I'm done letting a freaking game control my emotions.
OK, back to Outer Worlds. Much more believable and satisfying.
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See you tomorrow?
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Don't get me wrong, there are definitely times when I feel screwed over by the game, but 90% of the time, if i lose i know i deserved to lose, because my opponent was clearly better than me, and when I win, i was better than my opponent.
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I agree with the illusion of skill, but I strongly disagree with your examples. An eye for the strike zone is a learned thing, but I don't ever feel that the trajectory has different results pitch to pitch. Same can be said for the phantom PCI movement you're describing. I just don't buy that.
I played Outer Worlds for three days before I deleted it. But I honestly don't think there's one aspect of that game that can be considered believable lol
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@Renz2003 said in The biggest misconception...:
See you tomorrow?
You might. But, only to keep driving the point this game needs to be overhauled. I get tired of seeing all the silly posts that attempt to substantiate realism..when there is none.
Get this card because it will make you awesome. This pitcher is unhittable. Blah..blah..blah. I believe most of it to be SDS marketing.
The last RS game I played the other guy started 99 Kluber. I almost offered a friendly draw because I know how the AI plays fast and loose with pitch locations to substantiate ratings "sometimes".
The first pitch he threw a fastball and I was swinging. Got a single. Next pitch I checked up on and hit a homerun. He quit and it was the most unsatisfying win I ever got. Felt really bad for the opponent, but knew I would be on the receiving end of such ridiculous AI generated animation myself soon. Just wanted to avoid the frustration.
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@dcordash1 said in The biggest misconception...:
@Renz2003 said in The biggest misconception...:
See you tomorrow?
You might. But, only to keep driving the point this game needs to be overhauled. I get tired of seeing all the silly posts that attempt to substantiate realism..when there is none.
Get this card because it will make you awesome. This pitcher is unhittable. Blah..blah..blah. I believe most of it to be SDS marketing.
The last RS game I played the other guy started 99 Kluber. I almost offered a friendly draw because I know how the AI plays fast and loose with pitch locations to substantiate ratings "sometimes".
The first pitch he threw a fastball and I was swinging. Got a single. Next pitch I checked up on and hit a homerun. He quit and it was the most unsatisfying win I ever got. Felt really bad for the opponent, but knew I would be on the receiving end of such ridiculous AI generated animation myself soon. Just wanted to avoid the frustration.
It is frustrating, I think dynamic difficulty plays a huge factor in outcomes of games. I definitely have some theory’s of my own
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@LankyRyan said in The biggest misconception...:
but I don't ever feel that the trajectory has different results pitch to pitch.
Well, I just have to disagree with that one. It's actually pretty obvious.
I thought about recording the animation but, realized what good would that do. On these boards, not only are you arguing against SDS fanboys (which can be anything from an actual employee to others with vested interests in sales) you also encounter the "my-way bias". So, even the most obvious video would not sway most of the fanboys.
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@dcordash1 said in The biggest misconception...:
@LankyRyan said in The biggest misconception...:
but I don't ever feel that the trajectory has different results pitch to pitch.
Well, I just have to disagree with that one. It's actually pretty obvious.
I thought about recording the animation but, realized what good would that do. On these boards, not only are you arguing against SDS fanboys (which can be anything from an actual employee to others with vested interests in sales) you also encounter the "my-way bias". So, even the most obvious video would not sway most of the fanboys.
I think the number of folks here who have a blind allegiance to SDS is minimal, aside from a couple obvious troll accounts. But it doesn't do any good to call the people you disagree with names or accuse them of being SDS employees (or stakeholders?)
I'd say take some video. Actual issues have been fixed with video evidence, and if there's such blatant fishiness with trajectories, I'd certainly like to see it.
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@Renz2003 said in The biggest misconception...:
It is frustrating, I think dynamic difficulty plays a huge factor in outcomes of games. I definitely have some theory’s of my own
Perhaps. If so, the dynamic difficulty portion of the software should be turned over to a more talented programmer.
It's this simple, if SDS could make the game at least feel consistent...regardless of what aI script and randomization they wanted to employ....it would go far in making the game a more enjoyable experience.
I believe they take the same route of all the online sports "sims" (and I use that term very loosely). They can't actually pull off a true simulation so they create this script (a very over-used term but appropriate) that makes an attempt to generate animation that reproduces what the players believe should result from their controller input.
But,I will say this, as a programmer myself I can't even imagine what an impossible task it might be to create a true simulation (think about commercial flight simulators) with all the various servers, internet speeds, etc. that come into play. I think it's pretty much impossible. So SDS does the best with what they got. Doesn't mean it's not pretty weak and frustrating.
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@DeckerCurtis2002 said in The biggest misconception...:
Don't get me wrong, there are definitely times when I feel screwed over by the game, but 90% of the time, if i lose i know i deserved to lose, because my opponent was clearly better than me, and when I win, i was better than my opponent.
Are you drunk, having some euphoric experience form Ms. Molly? If so, we all have to get through the Lockdown the best we can..more power to ya. But if you're trolling or getting paid by SDS I don't believe your "philosophy". I don't typically call out folks, but that is just a ridiculous statement.
And, since I'm already calling you out...find another percent to throw around. Everyone out here is of the 90% club. C'mon, you have a percent range from 1-100. Use the numbers available when you are talking out your rear. I might believe 89%, but not 90%. Ha.
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Anytime I see hyperbolic claims like “none of it is skill,” I immediately stop caring what the poster said. Is there RNG and an element of chance? Yes. Obviously. Duh. But if there was no skill involved, everyone would be roughly .500. There would be no McGunskis or Kyles or Pitching_Rebels or countless others who consistently are among the top players in the world. No one is that lucky.
You can cry all day if you lost a close one, but the vast majority of the time you lose it’s because you didn’t deserve the W. I read all these threads that moan like little girls because they give up an Early/OK homer in the 9th, but they fail to mention a) that they also benefited from Early/OKs in the game, and b) that they probably also had 27 outs from bad PCI placement or just picking bad places to be aggressive.
A lot of the game sucks, but the good players manage to win anyway. If you still want to claim there is no skill involved then you’ve chosen a really pitiful hill to die on.
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@SchnauzerFace said in The biggest misconception...:
If you still want to claim there is no skill involved then you’ve chosen a really pitiful hill to die on.
Did you pick that expression up from some army movie? Pork Chop Hill, Sands of Iwo Jima? Have just never heard it before. I may never use it myself, but it was "different".
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Outer Worlds is trash my guy.
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@dcordash1 said in The biggest misconception...:
@SchnauzerFace said in The biggest misconception...:
If you still want to claim there is no skill involved then you’ve chosen a really pitiful hill to die on.
Did you pick that expression up from some army movie? Pork Chop Hill, Sands of Iwo Jima? Have just never heard it before. I may never use it myself, but it was "different".
I am willing to bet my pension that there are zero people on this earth who care that you’re alive.
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@DriveByTrucker17 said in The biggest misconception...:
Outer Worlds is trash my guy.
It ain't much fun, have to agree. But is beats the holy H-E-Double-toothpicks out of the frustration MLB the Show offers.
I did really like Days Gone though. Prob one of my faves. I just got through it way too soon. Had to go BACK to MLB the hit Show and the contrast in "fun factor" was unwordly. I just picked up Outer Worlds as something to kill time during my, hopefully permanent, MLB the hit Show sabbatical.
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@SchnauzerFace said in The biggest misconception...:
I am willing to bet my pension that there are zero people on this earth who care that you’re alive.
I believe you do now.
And that's great..to quote my favorite commercial "We're all in this together". Actually, pretty much all commercials these days.
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@dcordash1 said in The biggest misconception...:
@SchnauzerFace said in The biggest misconception...:
I am willing to bet my pension that there are zero people on this earth who care that you’re alive.
I believe you do now.
And that's great..to quote my favorite commercial "We're all in this together". Actually, pretty much all commercials these days.
Your words make no sense. Be coherent.
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@SchnauzerFace said in The biggest misconception...:
Your words make no sense. Be coherent.
You know they do..and that's what really makes you keep replying.
Fuhgetabout outdueling me in a MaleDonkeyHole contest. An amateur sub-16 year old that is betting a pension? C'mon kid..you reek of transparency.
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@dcordash1 said in The biggest misconception...:
@SchnauzerFace said in The biggest misconception...:
Your words make no sense. Be coherent.
You know they do..and that's what really makes you keep replying.
Fuhgetabout outdueling me in a MaleDonkeyHole contest. An amateur sub-16 year old that is betting a pension? C'mon kid..you reek of transparency.
Try sub-11.
