90+ Live Series
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@janoosh said in 90+ Live Series:
@maskedgrappler said in 90+ Live Series:
@janoosh said in 90+ Live Series:
@Hikes83 said in 90+ Live Series:
Collections were cheap last year. I remember Arenado being over 100K and Trout being over 300K in ‘18. This year’s prices aren’t too far off from what the collections usually cost
Except stubs are much easier to come by this year and pack odds are better than what they were in 18. I skipped last year so I can’t speak to that, but I’ve packed Flaherty, Scherzer, Harper x2, Lindor, and Alonso. Either I’ve been extremely lucky or packs are more juiced.
What? Stubs were absurdly easy to make in 18.
I find through showdown and innings programs that I have been making more stubs than ever outside of flipping. It could also seem that way bc I’ve been able to sell pulled diamonds, idk.
I know everybody hated hats and jerseys but I was making thousands of stubs a day just buying a pack of hats and reselling the ones I didn't need. Just your daily missions would often give you something you could sell for good profit.
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@wingo18 said in 90+ Live Series:
I paid around 85-89k last year for Arenado when I completed collections. He’s way on up there this time.
Arenado sold for ~140-150k for a majority of 2018, 70-100k last year, this year he was hovering around 90k for most of the first two months, but it seems that given mantle, biggio and sheffield are far and away 3 of the best rated cards in the game and there hasn't been anything else worth saving for, i believe people who are close to collections are starting to use their stubs on completing
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It actually feels like last year was the outlier. Everything stayed pretty cheap last year. This seems more in line with 17 and 18.
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Everybody wants to make this some sort of deep economics problem. it’s not. It basic.
Take 75k stubs right now and buy a 50 bundle. You are 99% more likely to lose 50k than you are to pull a 90+ diamond. And that’s not an exaggeration. Even if you luck out and pull 2 diamonds you still have a 99% chance to lose 30k+ in stubs.
On the flip side Making stubs in spurts with the innings and different programs is pretty decent in this game.
So anybody who opens packs with stubs is either too broke to do it or has quit the game. Leaving only people who are stacking stubs to buy the higher players with almost no supply and not much else to spend it on. At this point I assume the devs put some of those cards up. Unless the dynamics of their packs change drastically those cards will keep going up. It’s really that simple.
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@Untchable704 said in 90+ Live Series:
Everybody wants to make this some sort of deep economics problem. it’s not. It basic.
Take 75k stubs right now and buy a 50 bundle. You are 99% more likely to lose 50k than you are to pull a 90+ diamond. And that’s not an exaggeration. Even if you luck out and pull 2 diamonds you still have a 99% chance to lose 30k+ in stubs.
On the flip side Making stubs in spurts with the innings and different programs is pretty decent in this game.
So anybody who opens packs with stubs is either too broke to do it or has quit the game. Leaving only people who are stacking stubs to buy the higher players with almost no supply and not much else to spend it on. At this point I assume the devs put some of those cards up. Unless the dynamics of their packs change drastically those cards will keep going up. It’s really that simple.
I agree in part, although any decrease in the number of people buying packs I would say is offset by the # of packs attainable through Showdown 2nd boss, affinity programs offering an insane # of packs, events having win progression that offers more packs than last year. In total, I would argue there are more people opening standard packs than last year, because the majority of the fan base probably didn't buy a large # of packs last year, but a large majority is earning these affinity packs, etc. this year.
It isn't deep, but it is economics. People are earning far more stubs this year which means more people are considering doing the LS collections. That puts significant demand on all diamonds. Double the # of headliner packs = double the # of times people are buying packs that will produce diamond LS cards as well. The high chance of pulling a <90 diamond, relative to a high diamond is leading to a big increase in supply for those cards, which is why you've seen their price plummet, even during a LS event. However, the pull rate on high diamonds is not sufficient to offset the increased demand for those cards, which is why you see prices rising.
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I'm really curious about this, because they were fairly steady for a while and then the past two weeks or so they've just been steadily rising. I have the stubs to finish the Yankees and, in turn, finish the AL, but I've been holding out because I just can't see paying that price for Cole. I tell myself he's got to come down eventually. Trout I get, there's always one gateway card and it's always been Trout for the AL and MLB. I'm thankful I bought him a few weeks ago when I did and finished the Angels.
I just keep looking at Cole and looking and looking. It can't keep going up, can it? It's ridiculous.
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@bhall09 said in 90+ Live Series:
I'm really curious about this, because they were fairly steady for a while and then the past two weeks or so they've just been steadily rising. I have the stubs to finish the Yankees and, in turn, finish the AL, but I've been holding out because I just can't see paying that price for Cole. I tell myself he's got to come down eventually. Trout I get, there's always one gateway card and it's always been Trout for the AL and MLB. I'm thankful I bought him a few weeks ago when I did and finished the Angels.
I just keep looking at Cole and looking and looking. It can't keep going up, can it? It's ridiculous.
I agree. I pulled him and verlander in packs last week and realized I pretty much had enough stubs to do the whole al. But I couldn’t bring myself to do it knowing that I won’t get that kind of pack luck for the nl. So, I just sold both of them and am just going to sit on and grow my 500k + in stubs until prices come down. If that’s September then so be it. There are a lot of other cards to play with in the mean time
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I Finally bit the bullet the got him today to finish off the Yankees. I'm down to 100k left and will have to work my stubs back up again but at least I have Giambi now.
Only 6 players to go now, Scherzer, Degrom, Bellinger, Arenado, Verlander and of course Trout.
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@Untchable704 said in 90+ Live Series:
They’ve all but removed them from packs at this point. An interesting move to push microtransactions on a rapidly dying game. Let’s see if it works out for them.
Lol rapidly dying game. You blowhards are the same on every forum.
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@Blue7_Gaming said in 90+ Live Series:
@Untchable704 said in 90+ Live Series:
They’ve all but removed them from packs at this point. An interesting move to push microtransactions on a rapidly dying game. Let’s see if it works out for them.
Lol rapidly dying game. You blowhards are the same on every forum.
Just call it how I see it from my timeline and all the people I talk to. Sorry if it hurts your feelings.
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It really is just those 90-plus guys. I dont mind the prices on anything else, given the reasoning behind them. I dont even mind Trout, necessarily, because there's always one. But having to do Trout and Cole makes the AL kind of crazy. And then the NL has Scherzer, deGrom, Arenado and Bellinger.
I need one player left for AL in Cole. I need 7 for the NL: deGrom, Scherzer, Strasburg, Arenado and the Dodgers diamonds. I guess I'll just wait a while until it actually makes sense. It may take a while, but they'll eventually come down.
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@austinchase32 said in 90+ Live Series:
Pack odds are the same as last year as far as I know. The reason for high prices of high diamonds has more to do with how easy it is to get low diamonds with them being the rewards for 9 br wins this year. Packs aren’t what is driving the prices. Also demand for those high diamonds are higher this year because collections are easier to complete so more people are going after them who in the past wouldn’t have.
I think you're halfway right.
Last year around this time, we had a ton of crazy good 97-99 OVR cards making their way into the game and the only Live Series diamonds above 90 overall were Trout, Arenado, and Scherzer (there was probably 1-2 I'm forgetting about) but a lot of the really good Live Series cards above 90 like Bellinger, Yelich, deGrom, Cole, etc. started off around 86-88 overall so they weren't super expensive to start the year.
With SDS wanting to diversify the overalls in Live Series a bit more this year and the fact that we haven't had too many cards released that will be in our lineups come August/September on the market, the only way to acquire the very best cards in the game is through collecting the entire AL, NL, and MLB -- so, the Live Series cards are "gatekeepers" to having the very best team possible this year.
It's not difficult to see that the best cards you can get, as of right now, are unlocked by collecting Live Series cards or through the XP Path. I'd say the best cards at each position (that aren't Prestige diamonds like Jose Ramirez, Eric Thames, and George Springer) this year are the cards you get from the LS collection or XP Path. Sure, the Future Stars cards have a few really awesome cards but if you stuck to just collecting the Live Series and getting cards from the XP Path, you could have a team of...
C - Buster Posey (99) or Mike Piazza (92)
1B - Willie Stargell (94), Willie McCovey (95), or Jason Giambi (92)
2B - Craig Biggio (99) or Roberto Alomar (93)
SS - Barry Larkin (99) or Francisco Lindor (87)
3B - Nolan Arenado (91) or Eddie Mathews (92)
OF - Mickey Mantle (99), Gary Sheffield (99), Reggie Jackson (99), Mike Trout (95), Tony Gwynn (93), Rickey Henderson (95), Cody Bellinger (90), or Minnie Minoso (99)SP - Corey Kluber (99), Hal Newhouser (98), Max Scherzer (92), Justin Verlander (90), Jacob deGrom (92), Gerrit Cole (91), or Chris Sale (88)
RP - Rollie Fingers (96), Dennis Eckersley (93), Billy Wagner (94), Aroldis Chapman (85), Charlie Morton (86), Cody Allen (88), Sean Doolittle (88), Josh Hader (87), Jason Istringhausen (85), or Kirby Yates (87) -
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