90+ Live Series
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So, can we all agree that these 90+ Live series cards are clearly on a different odds scale in packs then previous years!? They never gained in value like this in the past years (and it has nothing to do with the event). If regular pack odds for a diamond are 1:50, then I would assume the 90+ are around 1:150. Shouldn't SDS be required to tell us the odds like this that are controlling the market?
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I paid around 85-89k last year for Arenado when I completed collections. He’s way on up there this time.
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@wingo18 said in 90+ Live Series:
I paid around 85-89k last year for Arenado when I completed collections. He’s way on up there this time.
Same! There were more stubs in circulation last year too with Quick Sell, so the supply of the 90+ diamonds was clearly not altered like this. Pretty dirty cash grab if you ask me.
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Collections were cheap last year. I remember Arenado being over 100K and Trout being over 300K in ‘18. This year’s prices aren’t too far off from what the collections usually cost
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@Hikes83 said in 90+ Live Series:
Collections were cheap last year. I remember Arenado being over 100K and Trout being over 300K in ‘18. This year’s prices aren’t too far off from what the collections usually cost
Except stubs are much easier to come by this year and pack odds are better than what they were in 18. I skipped last year so I can’t speak to that, but I’ve packed Flaherty, Scherzer, Harper x2, Lindor, and Alonso. Either I’ve been extremely lucky or packs are more juiced.
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@janoosh said in 90+ Live Series:
@Hikes83 said in 90+ Live Series:
Collections were cheap last year. I remember Arenado being over 100K and Trout being over 300K in ‘18. This year’s prices aren’t too far off from what the collections usually cost
Except stubs are much easier to come by this year and pack odds are better than what they were in 18. I skipped last year so I can’t speak to that, but I’ve packed Flaherty, Scherzer, Harper x2, Lindor, and Alonso. Either I’ve been extremely lucky or packs are more juiced.
What? Stubs were absurdly easy to make in 18.
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@maskedgrappler said in 90+ Live Series:
@janoosh said in 90+ Live Series:
@Hikes83 said in 90+ Live Series:
Collections were cheap last year. I remember Arenado being over 100K and Trout being over 300K in ‘18. This year’s prices aren’t too far off from what the collections usually cost
Except stubs are much easier to come by this year and pack odds are better than what they were in 18. I skipped last year so I can’t speak to that, but I’ve packed Flaherty, Scherzer, Harper x2, Lindor, and Alonso. Either I’ve been extremely lucky or packs are more juiced.
What? Stubs were absurdly easy to make in 18.
I find through showdown and innings programs that I have been making more stubs than ever outside of flipping. It could also seem that way bc I’ve been able to sell pulled diamonds, idk.
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They’ve all but removed them from packs at this point. An interesting move to push microtransactions on a rapidly dying game. Let’s see if it works out for them.
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Pack odds are the same as last year as far as I know. The reason for high prices of high diamonds has more to do with how easy it is to get low diamonds with them being the rewards for 9 br wins this year. Packs aren’t what is driving the prices. Also demand for those high diamonds are higher this year because collections are easier to complete so more people are going after them who in the past wouldn’t have.
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I also remember the innings bosses being sold for WAY more than they are this year. I can remember rushing to finish the program that had Alomar so that I could sell him for like 80k. Now you're lucky to have it finished in time to get 45k for the boss. Granted part of that is they're not 99's, but you could basically trade an innings boss for a top 7-4 diamond last year. I've had some pretty incredible pack luck this year and I'm still a good ways away (Verlander, Cole and Trout) away from finishing the live series collections. I'm pretty sure I had Mays last year during the 4th inning with worse pack luck.
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@austinchase32 said in 90+ Live Series:
Pack odds are the same as last year as far as I know. The reason for high prices of high diamonds has more to do with how easy it is to get low diamonds with them being the rewards for 9 br wins this year. Packs aren’t what is driving the prices. Also demand for those high diamonds are higher this year because collections are easier to complete so more people are going after them who in the past wouldn’t have.
Saying the demand for these cards is higher then previously is a matter of opinion, because there is no proof there. Also, how could you say collections are easier without quick sell of collected cards? If I could quick sell cards I would probably have at least 50k of additional stubs to flood the market. Because only the 90+ LS cards have been gaining in price there have to be additional odds for those cards! Just think, the flash sale diamond packs were 25k and the odds for a 90+ diamond were labeled at 1:10 (or 1:20, i forgot), but that would put SDS valuing these 90+ cards at around 250,000 stubs...
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@janoosh said in 90+ Live Series:
@maskedgrappler said in 90+ Live Series:
@janoosh said in 90+ Live Series:
@Hikes83 said in 90+ Live Series:
Collections were cheap last year. I remember Arenado being over 100K and Trout being over 300K in ‘18. This year’s prices aren’t too far off from what the collections usually cost
Except stubs are much easier to come by this year and pack odds are better than what they were in 18. I skipped last year so I can’t speak to that, but I’ve packed Flaherty, Scherzer, Harper x2, Lindor, and Alonso. Either I’ve been extremely lucky or packs are more juiced.
What? Stubs were absurdly easy to make in 18.
I find through showdown and innings programs that I have been making more stubs than ever outside of flipping. It could also seem that way bc I’ve been able to sell pulled diamonds, idk.
Even if you are good enough to beat every moment of Showdown every attempt, you still cant be making stubs like you could doing the souvenir exchanges on 18.
Back to the topic, last week I wrote down the prices of last 6 high Diamonds I need. Right now on average the price is 21.6% higher than it was a week ago. And a week ago they were a little higher than the week before.
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@janoosh said in 90+ Live Series:
@maskedgrappler said in 90+ Live Series:
@janoosh said in 90+ Live Series:
@Hikes83 said in 90+ Live Series:
Collections were cheap last year. I remember Arenado being over 100K and Trout being over 300K in ‘18. This year’s prices aren’t too far off from what the collections usually cost
Except stubs are much easier to come by this year and pack odds are better than what they were in 18. I skipped last year so I can’t speak to that, but I’ve packed Flaherty, Scherzer, Harper x2, Lindor, and Alonso. Either I’ve been extremely lucky or packs are more juiced.
What? Stubs were absurdly easy to make in 18.
I find through showdown and innings programs that I have been making more stubs than ever outside of flipping. It could also seem that way bc I’ve been able to sell pulled diamonds, idk.
I know everybody hated hats and jerseys but I was making thousands of stubs a day just buying a pack of hats and reselling the ones I didn't need. Just your daily missions would often give you something you could sell for good profit.
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@wingo18 said in 90+ Live Series:
I paid around 85-89k last year for Arenado when I completed collections. He’s way on up there this time.
Arenado sold for ~140-150k for a majority of 2018, 70-100k last year, this year he was hovering around 90k for most of the first two months, but it seems that given mantle, biggio and sheffield are far and away 3 of the best rated cards in the game and there hasn't been anything else worth saving for, i believe people who are close to collections are starting to use their stubs on completing
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It actually feels like last year was the outlier. Everything stayed pretty cheap last year. This seems more in line with 17 and 18.
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Everybody wants to make this some sort of deep economics problem. it’s not. It basic.
Take 75k stubs right now and buy a 50 bundle. You are 99% more likely to lose 50k than you are to pull a 90+ diamond. And that’s not an exaggeration. Even if you luck out and pull 2 diamonds you still have a 99% chance to lose 30k+ in stubs.
On the flip side Making stubs in spurts with the innings and different programs is pretty decent in this game.
So anybody who opens packs with stubs is either too broke to do it or has quit the game. Leaving only people who are stacking stubs to buy the higher players with almost no supply and not much else to spend it on. At this point I assume the devs put some of those cards up. Unless the dynamics of their packs change drastically those cards will keep going up. It’s really that simple.
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@Untchable704 said in 90+ Live Series:
Everybody wants to make this some sort of deep economics problem. it’s not. It basic.
Take 75k stubs right now and buy a 50 bundle. You are 99% more likely to lose 50k than you are to pull a 90+ diamond. And that’s not an exaggeration. Even if you luck out and pull 2 diamonds you still have a 99% chance to lose 30k+ in stubs.
On the flip side Making stubs in spurts with the innings and different programs is pretty decent in this game.
So anybody who opens packs with stubs is either too broke to do it or has quit the game. Leaving only people who are stacking stubs to buy the higher players with almost no supply and not much else to spend it on. At this point I assume the devs put some of those cards up. Unless the dynamics of their packs change drastically those cards will keep going up. It’s really that simple.
I agree in part, although any decrease in the number of people buying packs I would say is offset by the # of packs attainable through Showdown 2nd boss, affinity programs offering an insane # of packs, events having win progression that offers more packs than last year. In total, I would argue there are more people opening standard packs than last year, because the majority of the fan base probably didn't buy a large # of packs last year, but a large majority is earning these affinity packs, etc. this year.
It isn't deep, but it is economics. People are earning far more stubs this year which means more people are considering doing the LS collections. That puts significant demand on all diamonds. Double the # of headliner packs = double the # of times people are buying packs that will produce diamond LS cards as well. The high chance of pulling a <90 diamond, relative to a high diamond is leading to a big increase in supply for those cards, which is why you've seen their price plummet, even during a LS event. However, the pull rate on high diamonds is not sufficient to offset the increased demand for those cards, which is why you see prices rising.
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I'm really curious about this, because they were fairly steady for a while and then the past two weeks or so they've just been steadily rising. I have the stubs to finish the Yankees and, in turn, finish the AL, but I've been holding out because I just can't see paying that price for Cole. I tell myself he's got to come down eventually. Trout I get, there's always one gateway card and it's always been Trout for the AL and MLB. I'm thankful I bought him a few weeks ago when I did and finished the Angels.
I just keep looking at Cole and looking and looking. It can't keep going up, can it? It's ridiculous.
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@bhall09 said in 90+ Live Series:
I'm really curious about this, because they were fairly steady for a while and then the past two weeks or so they've just been steadily rising. I have the stubs to finish the Yankees and, in turn, finish the AL, but I've been holding out because I just can't see paying that price for Cole. I tell myself he's got to come down eventually. Trout I get, there's always one gateway card and it's always been Trout for the AL and MLB. I'm thankful I bought him a few weeks ago when I did and finished the Angels.
I just keep looking at Cole and looking and looking. It can't keep going up, can it? It's ridiculous.
I agree. I pulled him and verlander in packs last week and realized I pretty much had enough stubs to do the whole al. But I couldn’t bring myself to do it knowing that I won’t get that kind of pack luck for the nl. So, I just sold both of them and am just going to sit on and grow my 500k + in stubs until prices come down. If that’s September then so be it. There are a lot of other cards to play with in the mean time
