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@JFincher_MLBTS said in SDS Add some of these in the game you added torpedo bats right?:

@Ktothemarvel_PSN nailed it. Let’s start small and request that equipment is accurately depicted as it appears on the card. If a bat is grey with turquoise letters, that’s how it should appear as its default when we equip it to our players. What a novel idea.

With respect, why should we start small? That seems to me a cave to SDS's habit of refusing to address actual bugs in the way the game plays and looks. I suggest we continue to focus heavily on issues that are wrong and press that they be fixed, and if various levels of pressure are exerted, to match it to the ease with which the items can be fixed.

SDS actually launched MLB 25 on their chosen theme of "We listened!" Well, honest question time of the customers who interact here. How many if any of you think SDS has actually done a proper job of listening and implementing things the customers have clearly said they want and are all fairly easy to provide?

For example, how hard it is really to fix the years long bug with custom uniforms that the numbers are not reflecting light and shade properly? The numbers get dark in shade, but unlike actual twill, they do not properly reflect light. In the world of computer video game coding, that's an easy fix. You just adjust the shader and highlight property of those numbers on the uniforms so that they interact with light the way actual twill scripting works.

Yet, that single bug has been a problem with custom uniforms for over five years, and I'm sure dozens of customers have submitted dozens of trouble tickets and none of them acted upon. There are dozens of other equally atrocious examples.

@SDS_JoeK_PSN

Joe,

This is the same complaint about an RTTS challenge bug going unfixed as was raised yesterday and you did not reply to it. Is this getting fixed?

The perk based challenge is broken, and there is no perk challenge for pitching perks.

For the record, if I had any expectation that SDS would actually do something challenging, I would urge them to redo the code entirely within SC so that the walls would act as a pinpoint no-go barrier, where props could not penetrate beyond. In that way, there would be an ironclad method to ensure online custom stadiums could not be used to abuse the gameplay.

I actually endorse what Sarge is writing about preserving stadiums for online play with modified walls. I just don't expect SDS to work the more challenging requirement to ensure it isn't abused. However, this could be done, and frankly should be done.

In the same way, it should have been fixed years ago the poor coding that falsely flags props for intruding into the field of play when they are not, as well as fix the issue Sarge again raised where batters eyes are given ridiculously expanded avoidance areas extending far past their actual 3D coded dimensions.

@SDS_JoeK_PSN

Joe, this is another bug created in MLB 25 that has been reported multiple times and still months later has not been fixed. Is this getting fixed? There are people playing RTTS intensively who has earned all but one or two perks, keeps having this performance-based perk challenge presented during AB's, satisfy the challenge, and are denied the perk reward.

I have experienced this myself dozens of times.

Moreover, why is there still no way to earn pitching perks via in-game challenges? If the hitting challenge isn't going to award pitching perks, then why restrict earning perks to batting situations?

This needs to be fixed.

@SDS_JoeK_PSN

OK, Joe, lay it on the line for us. SDS leadership bungled the moving wall opportunity and despite that SDS hasn't even seen fit to add a single new prop to the game mode -- nothing, and I mean absolutely nothing!

This is the first year since SDS first released Stadium Creator that absolutely nothing has been done to improve the game mode, and in the past good efforts were praised even as frustration was expressed by how much the community desired that was never done.

This year, the frustration has boiled over to a level never before seen. Is SDS happy with that? The lack of effort, action, and good feedback clearly shows that if they are not happy, they certainly aren't concerned. And that reaction may be worse than being happy about it.

You know, folks like Sarge, JoeSelser, and myself represent the handful left of who used to be dozens of stadium designers who were active here. Go back in time and verify that yourself if you doubt it. But, there is one other point that I want you to appreciate in your role.

We three chose to try to cooperate with SDS, to work privately with you to alert you to a potential to hurt the game experience for potentially thousands of customers, so that you could take the time needed to prevent that harm. In return, all we asked for was to retain the ability to move the baseline and backstop wall panels like we've wanted to do for years now.

It was very little to ask for, and the roadmap was right there for all to take.

Not only was that roadmap rejected, but the way that SDS chose to go did NOT prevent evil people from causing the very harm we were concerned about. Now, because of how this went down, you've not only destroyed our trust and faith, but worse you have left yourselves as company wide open to a potential abuse of the game that could well cause an avalanche of thousands of very angry customers in Diamond Dynasty -- something that none of us here want to see happen.

Now, we aren't going to help the malicious minded, not at all. That's not how the three of us here think and do. But, sadly it's only a matter of time. SDS, do the right thing and do it now! Extend the code to render stadiums with moved outfield wall panels to apply to the move of any of the wall panels (outfield, baseline, and backstop) AND extend your default (online use approved) preset wall dimensions to include SDS's choice of baseline and backstop wall panel configurations. Keep the jewel box design for all we care. But, you could earn so much goodwill if you expanded the options to include other possibilities.

Any move of any wall panel away from those preset configurations, and the stadium is rendered ineligible for online use. That's the ticket, Joe, the one we privately communicated to you to pass along two months ago. That ticket is still sitting there unused, and the time bomb is ticking away that the longer this goes with SDS thinking falsely they solved the problem their own way, the more likely it becomes that SDS is going to learn the hard way that they should have listened -- I mean truly listened -- to us two months ago, and traded these two steps for letting up keep the option to move any and all of the wall panels.

We have been asking for SDS to at least match the variety of custom uniform types to match current MLB standards for several years now, all without any effort by SDS to meet.

I just add it to the growing list of frustrations!

@Egotte_PSN said in What's the first thing you'll do when MLB The Show hits PC?:

@victoryphoenix_PSN There it is! If only Sounds of the Show had been kept (they could have done it, but chose to force us to listen to 95% vulgar modern "hip hop" instead). I do my best to tolerate a few of the songs, but man, it was infinitely better when I could create players and play games with all my own custom music.

What would you mod first? People are scared about being able to mod their way to multiplayer wins, but there's good anti-cheat software SDS can implement. I think the console-only boys and girls may just be a bit jealous of the scope of PC gaming.

You raise multiple excellent points, and you also struck precisely the right balance to deal with the trolls -- which hopefully means you also blocked their account.

For reasons that can only be attributed to outright hostility to the concept by the executive leadership at San Diego Studios, it seems that SDS has waged a war against customer customization of their game. While many of us have been railing against SDS for years for their overt refusal to upgrade Stadium Creator, Uniform Creator, and Logo Creator, you reminded me that they outright ditched Sounds of the Show. This was an unforced error.

There are times I think SDS listened to a group of scared lawyers who warned them that options for customers to customize their game was a license for them to do things that would haul SDS into court. This is of course total nonsense. It's also undermined by the reality that SDS has done very little to rein in the vulgar logos that populate their vault, despite well intentioned customers here warning them about those graphics.

So, if it isn't fear of litigation, then what is the motivation to undermine customer customization?

I think it's a dyed in the wool obsession on control. SDS wants their game to be played only the way SDS executives intend for it to be played. It's like a bad parent yelling at his children to "color in the lines!" Such parents destroy all joy the child has, and in the process grow older wondering why their children no longer desire to come home to visit for dinner, and move far away to prevent the conflict!

The idea that you cannot even choose the walkup music that your RTTS avatar player uses is nonsense! It's one of the coolest parts of the game of baseball that it easily adopts itself to scheduled play of cool music to energize the fans and players. Is there any other sport that comes close to the music played when a relief pitcher strides in from the bullpen?

But, nope, instead of that basic joy customers can have in their game, SDS instead chooses to ram down their throats music that appeals to only a small sliver of people, and ultimately features a lot of vulgar references. "You'll take our music and like it!" I can only imagine that being said by some SDS executive running a staff meeting where the subject of Sounds of the Show was brought up, all designed to immediately shut down that idea.

Yep, SDS is suffering from monopoly disease. And that's a very ugly disease to contract when the warts start showing!

@Sarge1387_PSN said in Anything new?:

another ball dropped on SDS part...again. Love that we were strung along as if something was actually happening...which I'm sure will be walked back. Instead of leading creators on...maybe just tell us up front that nothing was being done or was ever planned to be done...that at least would have been the respectable thing to do

The actions taken confirm that there was never anything planned for upgrade to SC (or uniforms or logos). Instead, two things that were never planned were done: 1. Fix a horribly bugged up vault ... 2. "Fix" something that only in SDS's view was a bug, but was in reality something the customers have wanted for five years and suddenly had available to them.

That second item got fixed in the sledgehammer manner that SDS chose, vice the one elegant method that we actually communicated to them in private just so nefarious people couldn't leverage the option to do bad things with it.

To prevent bad use is the reason SDS offered, except the method they chose has NOT prevented the nefarious use -- not one iota! The trust between the community and SDS has now been so totally destroyed, that I'm not even willing to communicate how the option is still there for nefarious use, because I don't trust SDS to make positive use of the information.

You are entirely correct about your other point. It would have been vastly better for SDS to communicate that they have no desire -- not plans -- but no desire to upgrade these customer custom development modes -- Stadium Creator, Custom Uniforms, and Custom Logos. But, they won't do that either. They think stringing along via words still works. It does work in a way -- it destroys customer satisfaction, trust, and confidence.

@AllRise99_NSW said in Why Does Diamond Dynasty get all the Love:

Are you kidding? RTTS was greatly enhanced this year and I’m having the most fun I’ve ever had in years with it!!!!

In fairness, the method by which avatar players upgrade their attribute levels was upgraded and made significantly better and more realistic compared to previous years' methods. Past that, RTTS did not receive significant upgrades. But, I do agree that this one upgrade was enough to renew my joy of playing RTTS such that I have not touched Franchise -- because my motivation in past years to start Franchise careers was merely to achieve a more direct method to upgrade my avatar player. However, the option in Franchise was not a case of earning it through on-the-field play. So, again, that is where MLB 25's method in RTTS has been very well done.

But, SDS has torpedoed all that goodwill fairly earned by going another full year (now five and counting) without any upgrades of note to Stadium Creator, Uniform Creator, or Logo Creator -- the only three modes that allow customer customization.

And upgrades to those three modes are so easy to achieve in comparison to what is done year after year within DD mode, many of those changes going without widespread acclaim within the DD segment of the customer base.

@SDS_JoeK_PSN said in SDS Add some of these in the game you added torpedo bats right?:

Let me say it this way: it's my job to listen to the community and represent their voice to our team internally, which I do (and did in the case of Stadium Creator). It's then up to our team to prioritize that feedback and decide how (or if) to action on it.

I make it a point not to make promises of any kind here. I'm not making any in this case and none were made in regards to Stadium Creator (other than that I would share your feedback with the team, which I did).

Again, updates to one mode do not necessarily equate to another mode being ignored.

Correct, and honestly you did not need to make that reply. We are all intelligent enough to comprehend your reality. You have performed your role, but to be blunt honest with you, Joe, your role becomes devoid of meaning unless SDS backs up your interaction with meaningful actions to implement customer recommendations, especially when those recommendations reflect things than can be done.

However, you did add something that needs direct address. You said, "updates to one mode do not necessarily equate to another mode being ignored." Perhaps true, but only in cases where eventually those other modes get the TLC customers have asked for. Five years gone without anything other than trivial action is conclusion beyond reasonable doubt -- SDS has no intention of upgrading any of the three customer custom content options simply because they don't want to upgrade them, especially not in ways the customers desire.

I would ask, but I know you could not answer, how many customers continue to invest care when a company spends years ignoring the reasonable requests? Answer is unavoidable, and it is a firm "very few indeed," and while that isn't your fault personally, as a representative of SDS, you have to bear the brunt of the customer anger and dissatisfaction. And in conclusion, this is a path we are firmly walking now, where your role has been undermined by SDS same as previously employed people in your role faced.

Actions are what are wanted here, positive actions that make customers happier, not angrier. Action, Joe, not words! And finally, it isn't as if me personally -- and many other customers here -- did not provide you with clear head's up on the issue and where this goes if SDS chose continued inaction.

For the team you are GM for, at the end of the World Series, you are given the option to "rebrand" your team. This allows you to redesign the home and road uniforms to include integration of any logos you created using the logo editor. You must complete these actions when you select the rebranding option in the menu.

The only way to rebrand any or all of the other 29 teams is upfront when you create the starting parameters for your career as GM.

This is an issue that has been repeatedly raised to SDS as a customer request -- the ability to rebrand all 30 teams after the World Series concludes, but like with most everything else, these numerous request from numerous customers has been ignored by SDS.

@SDS_JoeK_PSN said in SDS Add some of these in the game you added torpedo bats right?:

I can assure you, we're listening. Some things are easier to address than others for many reasons. Updates for DD don't necessarily mean that RTTS is being ignored.

Hearing is not listening. Listening implies comprehension with determination to correct and via actions solve the issues raised. You heard what we wanted with respect to Stadium Creator and as a company you chose to ignore our earnest and well considered advice on how to proceed to allow us to retain editable baseline and backstop walls while preventing its use to stymie honest online play. Instead, you tried to stop those recently gained options that we spent five years asking for.

That's not listening, Joe. As you fully understand, that is hearing and then acting in malicious opposition to what it is the customers want.

Customers here are no longer placated by statements made absent corrective actions. As a company, SDS has only itself to blame for this. You had to overcome five years of mostly ignored customer bug reports and honest requests. Your interaction here was initially seen as a positive. I think most, if not all, of that recent luster has dulled because of continued inaction.

@Finn_Scotus_MLBTS said in 3rd base coach:

Probably not high on their list of priorities. I mean, their programmers only have so much time and I'm sure are kept plenty busy. I know it's 'unrealistic' but it isn't actually affecting gameplay at all.
Hopefully they'll have an opportunity at some point but doesn't seem worth making a big deal out of tbh.

LOL!! OK, if that is the case, then may we ask precisely what IS high on their list of priorities? I mean in the months since this game has released there hasn't been many bugs that have been fixed. Moreover, this isn't exactly a hugely complicated fix, and no the third base coaches do not wear jackets on the field.

There is also an adjacent argument to be made -- if SDS would conduct proper alpha testing prior to initial release then a great number of these bugs should have been fixed prior to that release. I mean, now much testing would it have required to realize the stadiums could not be downloaded from the vault?

@YOSHI24_XBL said in Running List of Why The Show Is a Bad Game:

@PriorFir4383355_XBL blocking someone and telling him is no insult … So, no, I would not. There are ppl in forums that have to know when it is enough.

Well, then, to each their own. But, in my world, that's called rubbing it in someone's face, and it isn't considered good manners. But, perhaps I come from a bygone era of how people treat each other.

Cheers!

@YOSHI24_XBL said in Running List of Why The Show Is a Bad Game:

@Squid_Adams_PSN said in Running List of Why The Show Is a Bad Game:

@YOSHI24_XBL

Way to get us off topic again. You don't have free speech in Germany, so of course you're in favor of restricting what people can say and think. As long as I'm not making threats, yelling choice words in a movie theater or airplane, and following the code of conduct, I'm good to go!

What we're talking about is what's wrong with The Show. As you can see, others do agree with what I'm saying, just too many SDS fanboy clones trying to muddy up the waters with unrelated posts and get this thread locked.

…. You really have no clue … at all … but this was a well-formed application to my block list. Welcome there

You would have retained far more goodwill if you simply blocked his account, which is of course your right to do, without the public notice that you did so. In my view, that crossed its own line into personal insult. So, that sort of weakens any moral foundation you had to your own action, wouldn't you agree?

I'm going to disagree, and I'm actually disappointed that SDS failed to replicate what is going to be the reality for this all-star game (in real life). I was hoping the coders would put the effort in to matching up players in their actual home or road uniforms for the all-star game.

The all-star game is for fans to connect with all the teams through the leagues they root for. The uniforms being of the teams helped push that connection. You represented your teams and your league in that game. That's the point of wearing your team uniforms.

@xsdert34_PSN said in Why Does Diamond Dynasty get all the Love:

@GreenEydBndt_XBL I would look at the profile page of most online players in this game and it shows how many more months, days, hours, minutes, and seconds that they play Diamond Dynasty over every other mode in this game. Of course, they're (SDS) going to put their research, development, and money in a mode that most people watch and/or play, and makes them more money. In addition, some people put real money to get the best baseball legends' cards (Sometimes tens of thousands of dollars) and both SDS and Sony make a profit off that as well. By the way, I like Road to the Show and wish it would be more interactive like Madden, the NBA, and the NHL are, and like it was in the past, but of course it would require more people to play it, and the games' bugs in all modes to be fixed. Finally, thanks for your comments. That was a great post!

Do you know how much time is recorded for my play of MLB The Show over the years? I already know the answer -- a firm no, you do not.

The point being, what you actually know isn't the full story. This is exactly how corporations so often misread the room and end up making decisions that lead to their demise. They spend money to market research, but in reading those results, they receive a heavily skewed understanding, where the public voices do all the talking and the private voices are allowed no voice they listen to.

There is a valuable lesson to be learned there.

For the record, anyone whom I have blocked the account of no longer has their comments appear before me. So, there seems to be a large section of this thread I have not read and I guess I benefit from that fact!

@GreenEydBndt_XBL said in Why Does Diamond Dynasty get all the Love:

I’m just curious as to why Diamond Dynasty gets all the love and RTTS gets leftovers? I’ve been diehard RTTS for years and I truly love playing but it’s irritating that all this content pops up on this app and the vast majority is never RTTS. They get all the XP bonuses, most things (equipment ex. Sliding mitts) get put in DD first and eventually funnel down to RTTS. I’m not hating on DD players but I do take issue with SDS treating RTTS like a stepchild.

Put yourself in the shoes of people who like Custom Stadiums, uniforms, and logos! Overall, I agree with you, but in comparison to those three game modes, RTTS was lavished with TLC for MLB The Show 25, and I must say that I greatly enjoy how it plays regarding development of your avatar player's overall attribute levels compared to how it was done in previous years' releases.

Your sarcasm is well earned, sir! Nope, Stadium Creator wasn't even mentioned in Update #19, and so I seriously doubt they would have snuck anything in.

I repeat, the only things we are going to see done with SC is to repair the corrupted vault function and then a second action to take away something that would make the paying customers happy, because customer happiness just isn't as important to SDS as is total control!

It's kind of like that line in Bull Durham, "Strikeouts are fascist. Throw grounders -- they are more democratic!" SDS likes strikeouts, even when they are at bat and a softball is thrown their way to hit out of the park. They struck out, and seem quite happy with their unproductive plate appearance!