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This bug has been pointed out for several months now with dozens of equally valid complaints as yours. Sadly, it has not been addressed, and at this point, it seems doubtful that it will be.

@SDS_JoeK_PSN

@Slyravaniste_XBL said in Really Sick of this bug! / Does the game developer even know the rule?:

@Capt_Morgan__PSN

Hey, chill.

He's a community manager. It's his job to be the go-between, to, you know, communicate with us here.

Would you prefer they were completely silent here and didn't respond to our issues? Cmon.

And also, he's a person. Be respectful.

Respect is a two-way street. Boiler plate replies are not respectful once they have been used repeatedly. Moreover, the larger point he made was valid. The people who are making the decisions, often counter to what customers desire, are the ones who need to "get on here ... and explain ..."

To answer your question directly, if all we get here are boiler plate responses devoid of actual improvements made to the game, especially fixes to clear bugs, then yes, I would prefer we have no community forum at all. The point of this forum is for customers to have a way to communicate to SDS issues with the game. If that is an empty gesture, then what's the point?

@PAinPA_PSN said in Mini Seasons Stadiums:

I don't know where you got 15k from, whales stadium is 5729, the highest elevation in the game.

I was thinking the same thing, that there is an upper limit to stadium elevations allowed in Stadium Creator, but not being familiar with this stadium in question, I was wondering if it was some special official SDS stadium that isn't restricted to the SC rules.

I'm glad you stepped in to clarify that situation.

Thanks!

@Sarge1387_PSN said in Classic Stadiums:

@TheGoaler_PSN said in Classic Stadiums:

I've only pulled one as well. Bought Shea because....
I'd love the Astrodome, and Tiger Stadium. Maybe even Cleveland Municipal someday....

Milwaukee County, Fulton County, Three Rivers, Veterans, Busch Stadium II along with those you mentioned are on my wishlist

Imagine what folks like you and me could do with a fully functional Stadium Creator? All these historic parks folks want we could wicker and put on the vault, all for free, and be happy to do so!

But, I suspect this is precisely why we won't ever get a fully functional Stadium Creator. But, for folks who think us stadium designers are a small niche (and relatively speaking we truly are) think on this point. What I want each of you dedicated to Diamond Dynasty to know is that we could use your support.

You see, if SDS really dedicated itself to crafting a fully functional SC with rational features in place to prevent online game cheating but allowing creative freedom to accurately replicate stadiums from all historic periods of baseball, then they would be there for you guys in DD to use.

Honestly, I would like the DD community to get after SDS to make this happen. SDS just went to great effort to further restrict what we can do with SC in Update #15. And for that effort, they could have further unrestricted SC and let us design replications of all the stadiums I have seen listed in this thread.

@SDS_JoeK_PSN

Every person who puts anything on the vault has a console. Either manufactured by Microsoft (XBox) or Sony (Playstation). All of these consoles have hard coded identification numbers. You work for a company owned by Sony.

This concept has been provided years ago. Track down all the people who put these vulgar images in the vault. Determine their console serial numbers or their network device ID, and issue a lifetime ban, using either of these available identification numbers. Those consoles would no longer have access to the MLB The Show vault in any form or manner. In fact, call those actions to put vulgar images in the vault what it is, gross violations of what's called terms of use.

And by that willful violation, ban those consoles from online games in all forms.

I guarantee you that soon as that's done, this nonsense will stop cold turkey. It won't be hard to do either. The people posting these vulgar images are not going to be able to purchase new consoles each time they are banned. So, these actions will stop.

But, then again, it wouldn't have been hard to extend the code in Stadium Creator that bars online use of customer stadiums that had their outfield wall panels moved, and extend that code to apply to ALL wall panels. Then, extend the default wall templates in SC to include all the wall panels, not merely the outfield wall panels.

Let's see now ... who issued that suggestion in writing six weeks ago to you? Oh, yeah! That was me, and other veteran stadium designers, who explained the path ahead to prevent online cheating, which none of us want to see happen, but also improve the function of SC and increase customer happiness.

But, to have done that, you would have needed to work for a company that actually cares about quality of customer service, vice one who pays large sums of money for public relations gimmicks and then fumbles the gift of better customer service when it's put on a silver platter for you all!

And you actually wonder why honest customers are just totally PO'd at a level not before seen?

I've only seen this done in extra innings, and my avatar pitcher successfully pitched the previous inning without surrendering a run. But, you are entirely correct. The loss is not being properly assigned. I had not seen this happen yet with MLB 25, but I did see it happen in MLB 24 and 23. So, it appears like despite this bug being reported by myself and I'm sure many others over the years, SDS still has not fixed it!

Why should we even be surprised! LOL!!

@TheBeastlyCHAMP_PSN said in Fireworks for each Home Run at Custom Stadium:

Such as Angel's and White Sox stadium I've noticed that whenever they hit Home Runs Fireworks emerge and wondering if we could get that feature to Custom Stadium

Contrary to what some here may think, I actually hate raining on peoples' parades. However, this precise suggestion I made in writing to SDS two years ago, and like everything else, it was ignored.

The really ugly part of this is that SDS doesn't want these things in custom stadiums. SDS wants them cookie cutter in overall look, compromised in design, and devoid of the sort of life and atmosphere present in their official stadiums.

I mean the latest example of this with Update #15 clinches that truth once and for all, and SDS can spent $10 million on public relations and it won't change that conclusion.

@Zachtronics_XBL said in SDS just gave us all the middle finger!:

@PriorFir4383355_XBL

Wow lol

And you thought you had it bad!

@Suel-21_PSN said in My advice to stadium creator fans like myself:

@PriorFir4383355_XBL
I've actually been on the forums for a few years. Just synced my account with playstation a day or two ago. I have actually ripped sds when they gave us the futuristic prop set. No one was more upset about that than I was.

Then you should be upset by what SDS has done here. I really cannot understand how anyone who has paid for this game, like I have, could react with anything less than righteous anger.

Again, the code to solve the concern over cheating in online play is right there in SC already. It just needed to be extended to the move of baseline and backstop wall panels. That isn't hard from a coding point of view. It could have easily been done, but SDS rejected that option. They don't want us to be happy using SC. They want our experience to be degraded.

@Zachtronics_XBL said in SDS just gave us all the middle finger!:

WHAT'S GOING ON HERE!?

I assume this is a question, vice an exclamation.

Reader's Digest version of events ...

When MLB The Show 25 was first released, SDS bugged up the operation of the stadium vault so badly that it became almost unusable. This was eventually fixed.

However, MLB 25 was released devoid of anything new to Stadium Creator. Zero new props. Zero improvements. This was shocking given that pre-release videos released by SDS said that Stadium Creator was used by a few noted stadium designers to create the high school and college baseball parks used in the official game. Since these stadiums included chain link fence for the high school parks, and yellow lines and distance marks on the walls, we assumed that these were to be new options in SC. However, none of this was provided.

We stadium designers knew something was up. How could SC be used to create these official stadiums but the version we had to use in the game featured nothing new? It seemed amiss.

Then, in middle of May, a person created a thread at Reddit that showed baseline wall panels being moved, something that most all of us designers had been unable to do over the four year history of SC. It was learned that somehow a few people found a way to move the baseline and backstop walls. One of these modified stadiums was identified in the vault, downloaded, and made public to the general stadium designer community.

Over the last two weeks of May and June to date, myself and other veteran stadium designers were in communication with SDS people, both public and private, where suggestions were made, and concerns provided, including that these backstop and baseline wall panels could be moved into the fair territory and the code that made stadiums ineligible for online play when an outfield wall panel was moved was not being applied to the move of baseline and backstop wall panels.

This at the time was not considered a problem because three weeks prior SDS had already decided to disable all custom stadiums from online play due to a bug in head-to-head online games where use of custom stadiums were causing CTD events.

However, without any forewarning, despite constant requests for updates by us designers, SDS placed code in Update #15 that disabled any additional moves of baseline and backstop walls, despite this being an earnest desire among designers for over four years. SDS was asked to instead invoke the same code applied to moves of the outfield wall panels, and make that code also apply to moves of the baseline and backstop wall panels. This would prevent nefarious people from creating stadiums to stymie honest online play.

SDS quietly rejected that concept and instead restricted customer moves of the baseline and backstop wall panels by writing additional code to further lock it out, even though the code to support such moves has clearly been present in Stadium Creator for years, and we discovered that the moved panels all interacted properly in the games played. So, the option to do this exists in our version of SC, but SDS had deliberately layered additional code to disable the option.

We strongly suspect almost to the point of firm conclusion that within our version of Stadium Creator lies all the code for a fully functional version of SC where everything we've been asking for can easily be done, but SDS deliberately wishes to deny us paying customers the ability to do.

This has raised customer anger within the Stadium Creator design community to the highest level it has ever been at, and there is a deep feeling of betrayal and malicious abuse toward SDS.

@Suel-21_PSN said in My advice to stadium creator fans like myself:

@PriorFir4383355_XBL
Tell me you don't get it without telling me you don't get it lol

What I get is that you created your account here and posted four total times in this entire community forum-- all a day ago -- and all four of your posts have essentially defended SDS's actions, and attempted to call out angry customers who don't like having available options taken away from them, especially when the reason offered by SDS for doing so is nonsensical.

Some of us here have worked professionally with SDS over four years to try to convince SDS to devote relatively minimal attention to Stadium Creator in ways that would be easy to implement, but have a profoundly positive impact on customer satisfaction. But, SDS refused to do any of it. Then a few months ago we learn that one of these earnest requests has been part of the SC code the whole time but SDS chose to lock it out by layering additional code into SC to block its use.

Then, when that is revealed, vice let customers have that option in return for simply keeping stadiums so modified off online play, by using the existing code for outfield walls, SDS instead seeks to bar the expanded customer utilization.

And all this seems to be just peachy fine with you!

Well, in your grand total of one day and four posts here, that's a mighty interesting conclusion to defend SDS that you have embarked on.

@Suel-21_PSN said in My advice to stadium creator fans like myself:

@PriorFir4383355_XBL

Then turn the game off. But don't say just give it the axe because you're upset. Let others enjoy using what we have. Hopefully we'll get updates in the future, who knows. But to say to just remove everything is ridiculous.

You have a hard time with reality. I'm not the one ignoring the mode. You seem emotionally attached to defending SDS even after they fumbled a gift. This has nothing to do with me being angry at SDS. It has everything to do with SDS engaging in malicious actions designed to stymie customer happiness.

@Suel-21_PSN said in My advice to stadium creator fans like myself:

@sullivanspring_MLBTS

Those are some pretty hot takes. So instead of a quick fix and letting us still use the creator, they should've just deleted stadium creator all together so no one could use it? Like @NiteLordz_PSN said, if you don't update the game, you can't use the online features. Also, disabling created stadiums online until there's a fix? They did that once this year and everyone got upset so they should've done it again? I'm disappointed there hasn't been anything done this year with SC but you said it yourself, it's a small niche, DD makes them the money, and they probably don't have the staff to keep up with it or even look at it. Doesn't mean they should just get rid of it completely since there are people that enjoy it.

SDS has ensured there is nothing left but hot takes. SDS has totally mismanaged Stadium Creator, Logo Editor, and the Custom Uniforms, and has mismanaged them for years. There was a line in a Brad Pitt baseball movie where Pitt's character asked, "Would you rather be shot in the knee or the head?" I'll tone it down myself. Would you rather be shot dead or starved to death?

Long term malice of inaction is far more cruel to customers than is a quick decision to abolish something that the company who made it determines they can no longer support. Except the actual situation is uglier than even that. SDS did devote assets this year to SC twice -- once to fix the bug MLB 25 caused with vault operation, and a second time trying to stop customers from moving the baseline and backstop walls. They could have devoted the same resources to link movement of baseline and backstop walls to the same code that prevents online use of custom stadiums when the outfield wall panels are moved.

What we have with SC is the ultimate bait and switch job and it stinks. Just enough attention to SC to whet appetites and then neglect or even worse deliberate degradation to destroy whatever goodwill ever developed. Yep, it's a hot mess alright. But, it has been SDS that made this a hot mess.

@sullivanspring_MLBTS said in My advice to stadium creator fans like myself:

@Sarge1387_PSN said in My advice to stadium creator fans like myself:

@Suel21_MLBTS said in My advice to stadium creator fans like myself:

@Sarge1387_PSN

It had to be fixed for online play. You could move the fences into fair territory and make an extremely toxic field. What would be great, is to see is something similar to how the outfield wall templates work for foul territory.

See to me, that's the PERFECT middle ground. Just give us foul territory templates...to get around the licensing issues (If there were any) just use the templates from the their own minor league parks like Franco, Bayfront, RedRocks etc. I'd be 100% happy with that.

We haven't been unreasonable with what we're looking for, the creators are the only ones offering up compromises to those asks as well.

Given the problems at launch with the vault I'm not sure they have a developer assigned full time to stadiums. I understand for those who love to build multiple stadiums why that's frustrating. There are issues in manage mode that have gone on for years. It's frustrating but I just accept it for what it is.

Bottom line it's a business and they spend developer time in the areas that most people use. DD, RTTS, micro transactions.

I'm convinced they don't have sufficient development assets devoted to Stadium Creator. However, if there are game modes that SDS truly don't wish to support, then they should be abolished in the game. No game mode will keep customers happy if it is allowed to grow stale or even worse as with SC this year, endure horrible bugs that prevent basic operation (the vault bug).

If SDS doesn't have the resources to properly manage Stadium Creator, Logo Creator, or Custom Uniforms, then SDS should abolish all of them immediately. Then, accept the loss of customers who enjoyed these game modes. If they are correct that these customer customization modes are truly trivial niche modes, then their basic business won't suffer. So, make that call. I think these modes enjoy more support than niche, but at the same time, years of SDS neglect has eroded the customer base that existed previously.

These latest hamfisted actions have eroded that customer base further still.

@Suel21_MLBTS said in My advice to stadium creator fans like myself:

@Sarge1387_PSN

It had to be fixed for online play. You could move the fences into fair territory and make an extremely toxic field. What would be great, is to see is something similar to how the outfield wall templates work for foul territory.

Sue,

There is already in Stadium Creator existing code that invokes to prohibit a stadium's use in online games whenever a single outfield wall panel is moved. When you speak of SDS having been forced to do something, truthfully, they were not forced to do anything. They could have kept custom stadiums out of online play until they upgraded SC. They could have taken that existing wall code and applied it equally to all wall panels, and then facilitated move of any of the wall panels. If you move one panel, vice use an existing wall template (which would be extended to include the default baseline and backstop walls), then that stadium cannot be used in online play.

I realize you meant well in your post. But, we need to reconsider making posts supporting SDS. They don't deserve support. I worked with SDS privately to advise them of their options, and urged them to make the choice to allow people to fully edit all wall panels (outfield, baseline, and backstop). But, in return for that, to render the stadium ineligible for online play.

What SDS did was hamfisted as well as infuriating. If someone desires to be malicious, said person merely has to bypass installing Update #15 (or any future update), and use the wall glitch to put stadiums in the vault that make online play horrible, and sit back and watch the "fun" he created. This is why weeks ago, I alerted SDS privately to the concern -- just to ensure such nefarious people couldn't get what they wanted.

But, did SDS take our honest advice? Nope, they did it their way. They desire control more than making customers happy, and until that rancid mindset is changed at SDS, we customers are wasting our time trying to convince them to meet us halfway.

Your words ring true. SDS has their focus on areas and issues that are important only to them, and therefore don't have their attention focused on where it needs to be.

@SDS_JoeK_PSN

However, after months of having what we thought were productive and honest interactions with SDS, we stadium creators learned we don't matter at all. What SDS wants is what the game gets.

@Sarge1387_PSN said in SDS just gave us all the middle finger!:

@PriorFir4383355_XBL said in SDS just gave us all the middle finger!:

renders a stadium with moved outfield wall panels ineligible for online play? Just extend that logic code to the baseline and backstop wall panels?

I don't agree with that, personally. I enjoy using my custom fields in games vs CPU, and I'd like to be able to continue that. They need to move away from heavy restrictions. Giving us an allowance for moving would be good. For example, you can't move the walls any closer to the foul line than a foot- think Wrigley Field's lines. They need to allow us moving of 10 or so feet in or out to add tweaks to the wall templates, and say, 3 feet up or down on the fences.

The other, and simpler option is they make edited stadiums eligible for online play, but with the caveat that walls can be no less that 310-318 in that range (in line with the shortest porches in MLB)

I fully understand and agree with your point of view. At the stage we are at, all of this is forlorn hope with a company so totally unpossessed of customer satisfaction values. My point with the comment is that SDS announced why they did what they did, but in how they chose to do it, then didn't achieve that goal.

SDS didn't prevent online cheating using deliberately sabotaged stadiums. If anything, their actions combined with putting custom stadiums back into online play only helped facilitate it.

So, SDS, given you quietly restored online play with custom stadiums, why did your dev team not make the most obvious choice to extend the existing code that renders a stadium with moved outfield wall panels ineligible for online play? Just extend that logic code to the baseline and backstop wall panels?

Want to know why you've destroyed your customer reputation? This is why. This quite obvious option was available to your code development team, and yet they chose instead to further restrict movement of the baseline and backstop walls.

However, SDS, I have a critical fact to share with you. It's already been discovered that if someone simply decides to avoid installing Update #15, that the baseline and backstop walls can still be moved. That was announced over at the Reddit sub-forum. So ...

What you chose to do here merely angered your customers -- who don't desire to sabotage the game -- and has failed to prevent nefarious people who desire to harm your game from doing exactly that. This is not an opinion, it is a researched fact, and the sad thing is since you avoided the more elegant and valid action to prevent cheating in online games, you are likely now going to see someone who is nefarious and does want to hurt you, use this wall glitch to do exactly that in online games.

BTW: @SDS_JoeK_PSN and @Victor_SDS_PSN in a private discussion with Joe I made this exact comment out of a desire to help SDS avoid seeing anyone use this wall glitch to harm the game and hurt peoples' quality of play. I did this several weeks ago precisely to avoid seeing a use of blunt force, mindless in execution and therefore ineffective at achieving what you yourselves said was the goal.

@RonSolo412_XBL said in SDS just gave us all the middle finger!:

Just to correct some erroneous info being repeated in this forum, custom stadiums are no longer disabled from online play. I've used my created stadiums online for about the last 2 weeks. So that is why they patched this glitch.

With that being said, SDS could still meet us halfway. The could allow moveable walls but limit it to a certain distance behind the foul to not encroach into the field of play, and also not too unreasonably far away either. Allow the bottom part of the dugouts to move with the walls so the players will always generate in the right location. Make the bullpens a prop that can be moved instead of part of the playing field.

Another idea. From the batter's eye glitch we figured out how to create domes. Why not unlock the no-go zone over the field above a certain height as to not interfere with the ball in play? Then we could create roofs with whatever props we desire. And code it so that if any prop is detected above the field the lights default to on so no one could create an intentionally dark stadium and still be used online.

I'm not a programmer, but I'm pretty sure these asks wouldn't be terribly difficult to implement. Just give us a bit more to this mode we love before we just give up on it.

Appreciate the correction. One would think that with the very public announcement that SDS itself made that this was done, that SDS would make an equally public statement that they restored use of custom stadiums in online games!

Of course there are a myriad of ways SDS could have easily met us more than even halfway. But, the core of it is that SDS doesn't want to meet us halfway, a third of the way, or even a millimeter our way. SDS leadership has a firm "my way or the highway" mentality. Except, these same leaders arrogantly conclude that we are not paying customers, but instead vassals that are required to purchase their game each year they release it.

The only way this rancid leadership gets what they deserve from Sony is for customers to boycott the game, and it would have to be in large numbers. The sale numbers are already down given SDS pulled their game from XBox's Game Pass program. Ironically enough, I never decided to go with Game Pass, and so I bought the game the traditional way. That won't happen again. Because SDS isn't going to fix this latest outrage, and I say that firmly because SDS has made previous such unforced errors to anger customers and ignored easy fixes just like they will this time.

What people need to accept with SDS is that they desire control more than customer satisfaction. That's hard to understand given how stupid a mentality that is for any company to hold, especially in a free economy. But, SDS concludes they have the baseball video game market sewed up as a monopoly, and you can see by their actions why monopolies should never be tolerated.

@ralph13m_PSN said in SDS just gave us all the middle finger!:

@PriorFir4383355_XBL I have to laugh. I posted about the Devs that are in the Free Agent pool in the General Discussion forum. That they should be removed for poor performance. I named them all. Old Joe Psaki or Karine Joe Pierre said that he was fine with the discussion. But, removed the names for privacy reasons. What privacy reasons? They put THEMSELVES in the game. Year after year. Granted, they gave themselves crappy ratings. But it is purely egotistical to have done so. And, that is what SDS has devolved into. They care about the game THEY want. Not what WE pay for.

No one can logically nor fairly argue with what you wrote. You are correct. It seems OK for SDS to flout themselves in the game as long as they can somehow keep it a secret. SDS is operating with the mentality they are too big to fail. There are a lot of companies no one does business with who were thought of as too big to fail.