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A game where they claim to be a simulation of real baseball, and then:

Professional Pitchers have less control over their target than little kids playing in the elementary league. Honestly I'm surprised how mlb figures allow these developers, to portrait them in such a shameful way about their performance. Then they came out with this new pitching mode that seems you are transcribing sorcery with the left stick instead of focus as in your next pitch, which is what a normal pitcher does after throwing the last one.

They favor in their engine a hit mode where all you need to do is place your marker in a certain zone and press the button when it comes. Their millionaire budget didn't came across anybody, to tell them the process of swinging a bat its a single action to your brain. Batters are not snipers to use crossairs, not in their minds or any other way. On the other hand, the directional hitting mode, is highly punished, you hit broadway center balls at almost perfect timing and you can choose an ample menu from:

popups, short fly balls, silly catch' em up bouncers, and right at him liners. Anyone who has seen at least 3 baseball games, knows this is impossible to happen even in the tuesday night neighborhood league.

Then, they mock your love for baseball with the who knows based on what reference timing window to hit the ball. Why? because the timing of the breaking balls is so slow compared to the fastballs, that if you wait to see if the ball is breaking, you are never in time for the fastball:
newsflash devteam, the whole purpose of the breaking balls is for you to confuse them with the fastball , because of their BREAKING, not the difference in speed. Actually, a too slow breaking ball, losses their entire effectivity in the trained eyes of a professional batter, no matter how many 97 mph fastballs they just faced. Its a fact, the window of time difference its just too great. Another horrible fact, is that the pitch paths are just wrong, sometimes the ball even dissapears Some times I have pressed the button, only to expectate how my batter does nothing but a delayed swing to justify that : "it blew it fast by him!" I mean, what a joke.

Then, there is the fact of the supposedly enforced code of conduct. You are still allowing people to desync and spam the game, just because you are afraid of losing users over 40+ in a row strike outs and 20+ homers over their pitching: Be real with the kids and younger who play baseball, baseball its a hard game to play well, there is no other way to learn that receiving strikeout after strikeout, and homer after homer. Its clockwork, I had games where I have hitted even 5 homers, and I have lost. Why? because they start spamming and desyncing the game, all of my pitches end up right down the middle when I specifically put them anywhere but, and when Im hitting, I'm lossing frames in the animations, specially when my power hitters are due up.

You are enabling , enforcing and supporting a platform where kids:
Think its the right thing to do cheating shamelessly to win
Disconnect their cable from their network outlets when they are being hitted around, after finger fatigue on the cheating maneuvers. No temporary ban or the like for such a nasty behaviour.
Think that if they buy you stubs, things are great: I have played with players who obviously have spent extra money on the stubs, and the moment I give them to straight strikeouts in a row in the first inning, I suddenly start losing control of the pitch target, (I pitch using classic mode) and the ball lands in the center no matter what.
You are making them believe that the mind process with the crossair is appropiate to play baseball. You are just destroying the american and all around the world baseball tradition by making them think they are aware of how to think in a baseball game.

I wish I had a way for you guys to return my money, and gladly I will uninstall the game from my ps4. Is a shame, that people like you had the budget and the change to make a baseball game, only to make this disgrace. You are destroying the sport.

Im a game developer, so trust me Im not. Thing is you see things other people maybe not because you know the tools of the trade. But when you claim to be a realistic simulation, and have parameters in the batters like "plate discipline" its not just a game. Surely poses like one. My point is that they are luring baseball fans with a supposed great simulation experience, just to cash grab on everybody manipulating the outcome with shady mechanics like lowering the hitting positive outcome, so people are way more time playing because most of the games are low scoring games, like soccer. And then if you winn like 3 in a row, magically everything goes wrong on your next game, no matter what. Unless you find somebody who just bought the game.

Thats the problem, that it may be a videogame, but they use audiovisual triggers based on the real thing to make it engaging, and that you feel like you are actually playing. So if you going to do that, then you should respect former ballplayers, who love the sport, and when they try to play, they fall into frustration because that which it seems so real, they cannot apply their years of experience neither in hitting or pitching, just for the sake of "its just a game" Then they shoud put cartoon graphics, and use fictional players names, since its just a game no?

@crimson_monk_psn said in Why this game is a disgrace for baseball:

Most of your post is a frustration for me too. But using the pci is much more realistic than directional because you actually have to use hand eye coordination. I don’t care which one you use, they both have the same bs tho. Lots of questionable results. Pitching does make you hang pitches across the board unless you are able to be perfect every time on pinpoint.

The most frustrating thing is that if you try and play or pitch like real life, it isn’t as effective.. well pitching is for me at least but I coached college ball, but some of the results are laughable compared to the real. And most guys throw the same every with every pitcher and every at bat. It’s frustrating that I literally have my pci set on the spot yet the ball never goes anywhere 90 percent of the time .( yeah I’m looking at you high inside sinker or fastball guy) I can’t time it or if I do it is a weak pop up or a 490 foot foul homerun lol

lol yes man its laughable really, thats the sad thing, most of these kids that don't know what real baseball is, they are being misled! and then, when they go to the real thing, we may be losing a lot of maybe future pro players because they feel frustrated and ashamed, that they cannot use even 5% of whatever batting skill for instance they may have acquired in the game. I'm not saying that videogames or this one in particular should become your next virtual trainer haha, but at least give the kids a chance to understand a little of what baseball is really all about. If you gonna brag you are the real thing, act like it no?

I think it's the players exploiting a weakness of the game. The game has a buffer delay in place already, the problem is that it seems there is a way to force skip it, causing that weird behaviour where the pitcher is firing bullets instead of pitches. I wish you luck finding ppl who does not do that or does not know how to do it yet.

@arealxswiftkill_xbl said in Why this game is a disgrace for baseball:

@newplayerone257_psn said in Why this game is a disgrace for baseball:

Im a game developer, so trust me Im not. Thing is you see things other people maybe not because you know the tools of the trade. But when you claim to be a realistic simulation, and have parameters in the batters like "plate discipline" its not just a game. Surely poses like one. My point is that they are luring baseball fans with a supposed great simulation experience, just to cash grab on everybody manipulating the outcome with shady mechanics like lowering the hitting positive outcome, so people are way more time playing because most of the games are low scoring games, like soccer. And then if you winn like 3 in a row, magically everything goes wrong on your next game, no matter what. Unless you find somebody who just bought the game.

what's your online record?

you mean playing this game? its low, I don't play often, just like 2-3 games a week at most. I think it's like 1680-something I wont take the time to find the number sorry, its around that. and no matter the score, I have no trouble with losing, its just the game its not what its selling out to be, if I may repeat myself. Getting used to swinging blindessly to supposedly hit the fastball in time, its not baseball, is batting lottery.

@nobuntcheese_psn said in Why this game is a disgrace for baseball:

Cash grab? ive a 93 rated team from just playing the game, but i agree with hitting contact needs nerfed, Ive lost many games where the guy has bad pci placement just cause contact is so broken

yes, but how many hours? but forget about your team rating, congrats on that btw since its been an effort on your part nonetheless.

My point is: you want the player stats to influence the outcome? ok, I can live with that, but for instance, it should influence in the type of contact according to the landing zone of the pitch, its unbearable to see, some people think its a good pitching strategy throw you letter high fastball right down Broadway, just because its a mayor popup/ flyball producer.

My point in regards to the cash grab, is that if you observe, playing with people who has spent money on the game vs people that has not, you will see that the game heuristics (or backstage outcome handling) start to decline against you really quickly. they try not to be too obvious of course, but its there. If you pay enough attention you see it. If the other guy makes a serious effort, you will end up losing or in very very bad situations out of the blue.

Also in Dinasty mode, no matter who you have in the roster, if you pitching is bad and your batting timing is bad, you just likely lose, instead of magically win when you happen to do this right, and in the meantime the engine is holding the other guy back.

@mattman122882_psn said in really big dissatisfaction:

Directional and pure analog should not be allowed in any competitive online mode. Play with friends and casual fine. Ranked seasons, events and battle royale, you should be forced to Zone.

Why? hitting is about timing, and the quality of the hit should depend on the parameters of the batter, and the parameters and location of the pitch. Also, in pci magic mode, you can just put the marker below the strike zone in the middle, that unless the pitcher throws a very wide ball, you will ALWAYS hit it, no matter what. I think that is the pci mode which should not be allowed online.

@therealnoahgibb said in Classic Pitching:

Classic pitching online is a shotty. I used to do it all the time. Even if a pitcher has good control, most of the times in a 2 strike count they like to hang pitches. Most of the time you dont even have to move the analog stick and the pitch goes to different locations by itself.

Yes but with my method I have found more control, and to avoid the hangers, make sure not to release the aiming stick at least until he already put his stride foot forward, and never confirm the pitch before choosing a custom target for the pitch. That will get you hanger free

Probably this was addressed in the last update. I hope.

@warped71_psn said in Small Gripe on Quick Pitching in Online Play:

They need to prevent people from pitching out of the stretch with nobody on base.

As Car RamRod 18 said, its being done in real life, its annoying as hell because it puts you on your heels really quick. But I rarely see ppl use it on online play when there is no one on base. I have like 1600 something rating, so maybe at a higher level? Anyway, is really stressing for the player pitching doing that, because the movement of the character is too fast, you tend to miss a lot over the heart of the plate because you get caught in the auto pitch mode, since you can't focus on what exact pitch to throw next very well.

@hustlinowl_psn said in Why this game is a disgrace for baseball:

lol what mode is this based off of….let me guess diamond dynast which is far from baseball

No its Online rated. Most of these troubles are all over the place anyway. and In Dynasty mode it's just silly the odd behaviour of the game. No matter how good a hitter or pitcher is, if you make a good pitch, a good timed swing, good things should come your way, thats baseball, but not here.

Well guys, I dont remember if the same player who made first (painful!) contact with the ball, is the one who needs to prevent it from touching the ground. I'm guessing we need to look on the baseball rules for that. If this were to be true, then yes, is bad that the game considers the ball in the air after hitting a fielder. Otherwise, its legal, so sorry but suck it up, buttercup!

@netranger6_xbl said in Odd graphic occurence...:

I hit a shot to the pitcher, it bounced off his shoulder and the 1st baseman caught it for an out. Didn't touch the ground. Anyone see this happen yet?

This is physically impossible I agree, but the ruling of being a flyball after first fielder contact and catched by another fielder, don't know if that's legal in baseball.

@worldrevolver said in SDS Logic:

All sports games are like this sadly. Somehow the peak of current RNG coincides with the peak of 1v1 H2H online play.

You could say the RNG is the devs attempt to level the playing field and it probably is although none of them would admit it.

What the sports games focus on PVP did IMO is absolutely kill AI development. Think about any sports game and the point they decided to go with more H2H online vs solo play? From that point in time did the AI ever evolve past that? If anything the AI has gotten worse in most sports games because it is completely neglected.

You can see how unimportant AI intelligence is for all of these sports game makers, few devs or marketing people have touted improved AI intelligence as a feature.

If we are playing H2H and the stupid AI isn't hurting either us and the RNG isn't favoring either of us too much, job done. No complaints. But every time and look, it's way more frequent than it should be, every time it's skewed one way more than the other you are going to get complaints. These complaints are justified because this is a horse s h i t way to make games. But it's the easiest way to make games. Because there are no accolades for having the best AI intelligence in a sports game, nobody bothers making the AI smart.

But what it boils down to is skill isn't as much a factor each year in sports games. Pressing the correct button and lucking out with the best RNG result possible is all you can do. You are basically watching a sports movie play out and pressing buttons.

I do agree with your resume sentence, since they seem to have implemented a weighting algorithm to control the outcome on hits and plays, for those who do not know programming, its basically a way to put a master parameter, that can cause you to either be in tight difficult innings often, have no success whatsoever hitting, or even flat out win/lose the game. So say this parameter is default 50, if they put 30 for you, you are in deep excrement. Otherwise, if by some reason (like buying stubs often) that parameter is over 50 for you then.. you can play it with a bandana in your eyes, you will win!.

Before you get angry with SDS, they did this to try and make the game more natural, because oddly enough, if you base the game odds just on the players numbers, weird stuff is happening alright! Also they can discreetly either punish or reward certain players for certain reasons.

I think they do have another subsystem that depends on this one, which rewards you not making a lot of bad swings with getting good hits even if your timing is off, and another example is when your pitcher has a lot of confidence, you can pretty much throw it middle center cut, rarely you will get a hit. Only way to punish this abuse of the odds in your favor for your performance so far, is if the opponent hits with a perfect contact, or the pitcher/ batter matchup is way in favor of the batter. Still I believe real baseball, has no penance or rewards: you can do 50 bad swings and next inning put together 3 consecutive homers and win the game! But they for some reason think this is a bad idea?

Btw, what is RNG and H2H ?

@worldrevolver said in SDS Logic:

H2H is head to head gaming. PvP player vs player.

RNG random number generator. Basically in terms of coding it is why you can make the AI pitch you a fastball center cut and time it perfect perfect and get a lazy fly ball, a hard liner, a homer, a ground ball, a swinging bunt and even a foul ball off the same input.

Oh I see, so you think they are doing it like that? Interesting approach, can definitively see it happening, although I believe they have also a weighting algorithm in place, that can cause even the first baseman to drop the ball on the throw, fielding mistakes, offline throws, and my personal favorite, dead center balls causing walkoff homers. Still yes I think the random number for outcome assignation is definitively happening most likely than not. Thing is I believe the weights are in place because I have seen the odds of the game react in a very "organized" fashion. If it was all only like you mentioned, you could not perceive punishing and rewarding game moments in a period/loop, like it happens.