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@wiryhooligan22 said in SDS please take a look at this R2 suggestion fix .:

@michearse_mlbts said in SDS please take a look at this R2 suggestion fix .:

@wiryhooligan22 said in SDS please take a look at this R2 suggestion fix .:

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@wiryhooligan22 said in SDS please take a look at this R2 suggestion fix .:

@michearse_mlbts said in SDS please take a look at this R2 suggestion fix .:

@wiryhooligan22 said in SDS please take a look at this R2 suggestion fix .:

@michearse_mlbts said in SDS please take a look at this R2 suggestion fix .:

@wiryhooligan22 said in SDS please take a look at this R2 suggestion fix .:

@michearse_mlbts said in SDS please take a look at this R2 suggestion fix .:

@wiryhooligan22 said in SDS please take a look at this R2 suggestion fix .:

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@wiryhooligan22 said in SDS please take a look at this R2 suggestion fix .:

@nflman2033_psn said in SDS please take a look at this R2 suggestion fix .:

@wiryhooligan22 said in SDS please take a look at this R2 suggestion fix .:

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Now wait a minute here, "a batter needs to have a way to slow down a pitcher" ??? A batter has absolutely no control over when a pitcher is to pitch.

R2 should not be allowed to stop anything, if you want time, call time, that is real baseball. R2 should still be able to display info, but not stop the pitchers meter.

In principle, I agree with you, but there are people who pitch as fast as they can, and there absolutely needs to be a mechanism to neutralize that.

You are allowed to have your opinion, but I disagree. If they want to pitch as fast as possible, so what, doesn't bother me.

Well, it’s not all about you.

Nor is it all about you. So fact is you can't make every one happy.

True, you can’t. However, what you’re suggesting puts one side at a distinct disadvantage. Why should one player get to dictate the pace of the game?

Because in baseball the pitcher does dictate the pace, allowing R2 to stop the play is not the solution. Some pitchers like to work fast, see Wade Miley for example, many others don't. In real life it's best to work at different paces to keep the batter uneasy. But no matter how you slice it, in real baseball pace is dictated by pitcher. All a batter can do is call for time, that is also in the game. Balks on, help elevate some of the issues about coming set, but if the batter is in the box, it is no longer his control and to expect the pitcher to throw when he is ready is unrealistic. Baseball is a game of adjustments, when I play people online, I know I need to adjust to how I am going to be pitched. Just as I know my opponent will steal a lot, hit and run a lot, bunt a lot, way more than playing the CPU.

Except for the fact that the batter can only call time once in an at-bat. The problem with people that pitch so fast is that with most pitchers, it creates completely unrealistic movement. How is this so hard to understand?

The batter may be able to call time once but he can step his foot outside the box at any time during the at bat before the pitcher becomes set, or before they start their wind up.

Just watch a little league game. The kids step out every pitch and look over at the coach for a sign.

I’m talking about in the game, not real life.

The game is simulated based on the real life sport... the kids look over at the coach because the coach tells them what pitch to expect. People use r2 to give themselves time to think about what’s coming next. I use it and analyze the previous pitches and by the 4th or 5th pitch of an at bat I can usually smash a good good perfect perfect just by guessing which pitch your going to throw next let alone the location,

Anyone whining about r2 use is literally just upset they can’t quick pitch you and give you no time to catch on to what pitches you’re throwing most often and which locations you frequent with each pitch. Not just from at bat to at bat but literally within each at bat.

It’s part of real life baseball so it’s part of the game. If you don’t like it go play backyard baseball lol

What are you even talking about? There are plenty of people who just spam it to disrupt the pitcher. That has nothing to do with real baseball.

If I’m playing baseball and you’re fast pitching me I will step out of the box between every pitch and take some practice swings. Readjust my gloves and elbow guard etc. real baseball the batter can slow the pitcher down in many ways. He just can’t slow the game down to the point it’s boring as hell for the crowd and the game drags on 5 hours.

You realize a real baseball game takes an average of over 3 hours, and your bitching about having to play a game for 30-45 minutes because the other guy doesn’t want to be fast pitched all night. Get out of here and stop being a baby.

Dude, what are you talking about? You’re trying to argue with me and you don’t even seem to understand my stance.

I understand perfectly fine. You’re upset people prevent you from quick pitching and spam the r2 button at random [censored] times. But you don’t seem to understand it’s the exact equivalent of the batter stepping out of the box taking practice swings between every single pitch. These players are intentionally throwing off your rhythm to improve their own chances at winning the game and you’re upset over it but can’t understand how much of a baby it makes you. You’re literally just upset you can’t rush through the game and someone else is enjoying it how they want to play. Sad

Except I’ve been making the exact opposite argument. Idiot.

Then you’re arguing with yourself over nothing. You say I don’t understand so I explain the opposite side to my argument and then you say you’re arguing the exact opposite which would mean you’re arguing my side. So you don’t understand? Or I don’t understand? I’m starting to think you don’t.

If you’re not upset that people are slowing down your fast pitching or disrupting your rhythm with the r2 button then you have no reason to want the r2 mechanic gone. So no I don’t understand what exactly is your grievance here if you’re not upset by anything the r2 mechanic causes ‍️

Jesus Christ, you’re stupid. You need to go back and read what I’ve actually said. You appear to be confounding what I’ve said with someone else.

Lol you’re talking about how it’s not real life it’s a game so the pitcher should be able to just blow pitches up there whenever he want.

You’re upset that when you start your pitch timer I can still press r2 and pause it.

But the reality is your pitcher is not in his wind up so it’s just like me calling time out between every pitch.
In real baseball 99% of the time the ump allows it so in game it is allowed. R2 is not the broken mechanic.

The broken mechanic is the pitching meter. If I press r2 your whole pitch should reset. You guys are attacking the wrong mechanic because it’s one you don’t use or fully understand. But I’m the ignorant one. Go fogure

I never said that. Once again, go back and read what I’ve said.

Look at the end of the day r2 isn’t broken. Pitching is. If you disagree it’s because you’re quick pitching and don’t like that people can slow your game down. Plain and simple. Whether you agree or disagree I don’t care. But if you think r2 is the broken mechanic youre not understanding it’s purpose in the game is to allow the batter to stop and think between pitches like in a real game. This is a baseball simulation. They did their best to allow the batter his time without having all these crazy mechanics like calling time or stepping one foot out or this or that. Your batter stays in the box the whole at bat unless you get lucky and can even call time. R2 is my practice swing between at bats. In 99.99999 of scenarios there batter is given that time. And when he’s not he can step back in and take a crazy cut if he chooses but in game I cannot do that. It’s a video game not everything can be exactly the way real life is. So if me pressing r2 disrupts your pitching then that means the pitching mechanic is broken. Not r2. Quit blaming a mechanic that works the way intended, all because it exploits a broken mechanic in the pitching and start asking sds why they haven’t fixed the broken pitching mechanic caused by r2 instead.

If I press r2 your pitcher should reset from the start of the pitch plain and simple. Eventually r2 pressers will get tired of it and quick pitchers will stop trying to pitch so fast. Or we can mess with the r2 mechanic and just make every game a 12 second 9 pitch inning because I can’t even take a breath between each pitch.

@wiryhooligan22 said in SDS please take a look at this R2 suggestion fix .:

@michearse_mlbts said in SDS please take a look at this R2 suggestion fix .:

@wiryhooligan22 said in SDS please take a look at this R2 suggestion fix .:

@michearse_mlbts said in SDS please take a look at this R2 suggestion fix .:

@wiryhooligan22 said in SDS please take a look at this R2 suggestion fix .:

@michearse_mlbts said in SDS please take a look at this R2 suggestion fix .:

@wiryhooligan22 said in SDS please take a look at this R2 suggestion fix .:

@michearse_mlbts said in SDS please take a look at this R2 suggestion fix .:

@wiryhooligan22 said in SDS please take a look at this R2 suggestion fix .:

@michearse_mlbts said in SDS please take a look at this R2 suggestion fix .:

@wiryhooligan22 said in SDS please take a look at this R2 suggestion fix .:

@nflman2033_psn said in SDS please take a look at this R2 suggestion fix .:

@wiryhooligan22 said in SDS please take a look at this R2 suggestion fix .:

@nflman2033_psn said in SDS please take a look at this R2 suggestion fix .:

@wiryhooligan22 said in SDS please take a look at this R2 suggestion fix .:

@nflman2033_psn said in SDS please take a look at this R2 suggestion fix .:

@wiryhooligan22 said in SDS please take a look at this R2 suggestion fix .:

@nflman2033_psn said in SDS please take a look at this R2 suggestion fix .:

Now wait a minute here, "a batter needs to have a way to slow down a pitcher" ??? A batter has absolutely no control over when a pitcher is to pitch.

R2 should not be allowed to stop anything, if you want time, call time, that is real baseball. R2 should still be able to display info, but not stop the pitchers meter.

In principle, I agree with you, but there are people who pitch as fast as they can, and there absolutely needs to be a mechanism to neutralize that.

You are allowed to have your opinion, but I disagree. If they want to pitch as fast as possible, so what, doesn't bother me.

Well, it’s not all about you.

Nor is it all about you. So fact is you can't make every one happy.

True, you can’t. However, what you’re suggesting puts one side at a distinct disadvantage. Why should one player get to dictate the pace of the game?

Because in baseball the pitcher does dictate the pace, allowing R2 to stop the play is not the solution. Some pitchers like to work fast, see Wade Miley for example, many others don't. In real life it's best to work at different paces to keep the batter uneasy. But no matter how you slice it, in real baseball pace is dictated by pitcher. All a batter can do is call for time, that is also in the game. Balks on, help elevate some of the issues about coming set, but if the batter is in the box, it is no longer his control and to expect the pitcher to throw when he is ready is unrealistic. Baseball is a game of adjustments, when I play people online, I know I need to adjust to how I am going to be pitched. Just as I know my opponent will steal a lot, hit and run a lot, bunt a lot, way more than playing the CPU.

Except for the fact that the batter can only call time once in an at-bat. The problem with people that pitch so fast is that with most pitchers, it creates completely unrealistic movement. How is this so hard to understand?

The batter may be able to call time once but he can step his foot outside the box at any time during the at bat before the pitcher becomes set, or before they start their wind up.

Just watch a little league game. The kids step out every pitch and look over at the coach for a sign.

I’m talking about in the game, not real life.

The game is simulated based on the real life sport... the kids look over at the coach because the coach tells them what pitch to expect. People use r2 to give themselves time to think about what’s coming next. I use it and analyze the previous pitches and by the 4th or 5th pitch of an at bat I can usually smash a good good perfect perfect just by guessing which pitch your going to throw next let alone the location,

Anyone whining about r2 use is literally just upset they can’t quick pitch you and give you no time to catch on to what pitches you’re throwing most often and which locations you frequent with each pitch. Not just from at bat to at bat but literally within each at bat.

It’s part of real life baseball so it’s part of the game. If you don’t like it go play backyard baseball lol

What are you even talking about? There are plenty of people who just spam it to disrupt the pitcher. That has nothing to do with real baseball.

If I’m playing baseball and you’re fast pitching me I will step out of the box between every pitch and take some practice swings. Readjust my gloves and elbow guard etc. real baseball the batter can slow the pitcher down in many ways. He just can’t slow the game down to the point it’s boring as hell for the crowd and the game drags on 5 hours.

You realize a real baseball game takes an average of over 3 hours, and your bitching about having to play a game for 30-45 minutes because the other guy doesn’t want to be fast pitched all night. Get out of here and stop being a baby.

Dude, what are you talking about? You’re trying to argue with me and you don’t even seem to understand my stance.

I understand perfectly fine. You’re upset people prevent you from quick pitching and spam the r2 button at random [censored] times. But you don’t seem to understand it’s the exact equivalent of the batter stepping out of the box taking practice swings between every single pitch. These players are intentionally throwing off your rhythm to improve their own chances at winning the game and you’re upset over it but can’t understand how much of a baby it makes you. You’re literally just upset you can’t rush through the game and someone else is enjoying it how they want to play. Sad

Except I’ve been making the exact opposite argument. Idiot.

Then you’re arguing with yourself over nothing. You say I don’t understand so I explain the opposite side to my argument and then you say you’re arguing the exact opposite which would mean you’re arguing my side. So you don’t understand? Or I don’t understand? I’m starting to think you don’t.

If you’re not upset that people are slowing down your fast pitching or disrupting your rhythm with the r2 button then you have no reason to want the r2 mechanic gone. So no I don’t understand what exactly is your grievance here if you’re not upset by anything the r2 mechanic causes ‍️

Jesus Christ, you’re stupid. You need to go back and read what I’ve actually said. You appear to be confounding what I’ve said with someone else.

Lol you’re talking about how it’s not real life it’s a game so the pitcher should be able to just blow pitches up there whenever he want.

You’re upset that when you start your pitch timer I can still press r2 and pause it.

But the reality is your pitcher is not in his wind up so it’s just like me calling time out between every pitch.
In real baseball 99% of the time the ump allows it so in game it is allowed. R2 is not the broken mechanic.

The broken mechanic is the pitching meter. If I press r2 your whole pitch should reset. You guys are attacking the wrong mechanic because it’s one you don’t use or fully understand. But I’m the ignorant one. Go fogure

@dbarmonstar_psn said in SDS please take a look at this R2 suggestion fix .:

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@michearse_mlbts said in SDS please take a look at this R2 suggestion fix .:

@cmalz89_psn said in SDS please take a look at this R2 suggestion fix .:

As a pitcher......holding R2 only disrupts quick pitchers. By default, I usually take a second before starting my next pitch, and by the time I'm ready, the little icon has already disappeared. I don't think it should be allowed every pitch, but for now it is, so adapt. Keep in mind, I have played opponents who use it a lot and probably with bad intentions, but I have not played an opponent that I would say "abuses" it.

As a hitter......if you want to quick pitch to throw me off my best game, then I will hold R2 to throw you off yours. Exploiting each other's weaknesses.....sounds like competition to me. I use it for information 90% of the time....especially when there's a new pitcher. But I also use it to slow people down....never with the intent to mess up timing on an individual pitch.

Exactly. Glad someone gets it. It’s just like real baseball but it’s a video game and this is the best way they could figure out how to make both sides happy.

Except that R2 is being used as a weapon against... pitching. Which is a required element of gameplay. Using R2 in this weaponised context is optional and the pitcher has no equivalent because the pitcher has to pitch. The pitcher has to pitch and being f-ed with by a game feature that's being used in an unsportsmanlike way doesn't sound like 'exploiting each other's weaknesses' but more like the one-sided exploit it actually is.

The best way would be to allow me to step off the mound as much as I want and you can R2 all you want.

So instead of fixing the broken pitching mechanic we’re going to take the hitting mechanic out of the game to make all the quick pitchers happy? Makes perfect sense.

As someone who plays both ways, I quick pitch and use r2 against it. R2 isn’t the problem. The frozen pitching meters and windups are. When the batter presses r2 your pitcher should automatically reset whether you want to or not. Easiest way to make both sides happy

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@cmalz89_psn said in SDS please take a look at this R2 suggestion fix .:

@cbpm72_psn said in SDS please take a look at this R2 suggestion fix .:

@michearse_mlbts said in SDS please take a look at this R2 suggestion fix .:

@cmalz89_psn said in SDS please take a look at this R2 suggestion fix .:

As a pitcher......holding R2 only disrupts quick pitchers. By default, I usually take a second before starting my next pitch, and by the time I'm ready, the little icon has already disappeared. I don't think it should be allowed every pitch, but for now it is, so adapt. Keep in mind, I have played opponents who use it a lot and probably with bad intentions, but I have not played an opponent that I would say "abuses" it.

As a hitter......if you want to quick pitch to throw me off my best game, then I will hold R2 to throw you off yours. Exploiting each other's weaknesses.....sounds like competition to me. I use it for information 90% of the time....especially when there's a new pitcher. But I also use it to slow people down....never with the intent to mess up timing on an individual pitch.

Exactly. Glad someone gets it. It’s just like real baseball but it’s a video game and this is the best way they could figure out how to make both sides happy.

Except that R2 is being used as a weapon against... pitching. Which is a required element of gameplay. Using R2 in this weaponised context is optional and the pitcher has no equivalent because the pitcher has to pitch. The pitcher has to pitch and being f-ed with by a game feature that's being used in an unsportsmanlike way doesn't sound like 'exploiting each other's weaknesses' but more like the one-sided exploit it actually is.

Not sure where you guys are it in this debate....and forgive me for not reading the previous 50 posts on this thread.

I would consider the unrealistic quick pitching as an exploit against hitters. At least, for me it is. I am far from pro at this game, and I would like more than 0.4 seconds in-between pitches to get my thoughts and finger placement together. So, if I face a guy who likes to throw 5 pitches in 12 seconds. Then I will use what tool are at my disposal. I don't abuse R2 anymore than my opponent repeatedly balks. I can only call time once, if it even lets me at all (which is also unrealistic).

I understand both sides of the argument here, so I wont go back and forth with anyone. If you excel when quick pitching, then I understand your gripe.....but understand mine when you balk 30 times a game.

The problem is you can press r2 mid meter and freeze them and make them throw bad pitches. So they’re mad at the r2 mechanic when the reality is they need to be mad at the pitching meters, and a mechanic that allows the meter to restart when r2 is pressed should be implemented into the game. But since r2 makes the game harder or less fun for them they just want it totally taken out of the game screw the other side that doesn’t play like them.

Right, be mad at the pitching meters which are just passive executors of game code, but not be mad at an actual human spamming a button against its actual purpose in order to achieve some sort of advantage which falls outside the bounds of simulating baseball gameplay. Sure.

You throwing 9 pitches in 12 seconds is the exact same spam coming from the opposite side. The only difference is it doesn’t lock the batter up into bad swings.

Both sides are spamming things to their advantage. And the only way to make it fair is if I press r2 your pitcher gets a reset. The r2 mechanic can only exploit the pitching mechanic because the pitching mechanic is the broken one. If they fix the pitching mechanic they fix the r2 mechanic. If they take r2 out the pitching is still broken and batters will just find a new way to slow things down. It’s not rocket science.

Or like I been saying just allow me to step off as much as I want.

Stepping off is a reset with more time wasted on player animations. But if you wanna step off and waste 4 seconds of a player walking around on screen instead of just getting a reset meter whatever floats your boat man.

either way is good with me,

I don’t care either I just know that r2 is not the broken mechanic. If I can spam r2 and freeze your pitcher into bad pitches it means pitching is broken...

You don’t need the mechanic that works as intended just because it showed an unintended problem with another mechanic of the game. That’s how things start to get extremely broken.

@mjfc_363_psn said in Plesac best lefty in game to date:

Plesacs numbers are ALL over 90. Looks [censored] good!!! Doesn’t always mean it plays good unfortunately.

Lol Ernie banks is my personal example. Man makes one fielding/ throwing error a game for whatever reason. Lastnight he threw it to the catcher instead of first two times in four games. Had to pull him from my lineup because he wasn’t hitting anywhere near well enough to compensate for the errors. I think his fielding is a 92