How is the Community Market feeling (7)
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They absolutely are 2 different things. The app should be used for everything but transactions. Make those console only.
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It's a bit more tedious on the console but it's not horrible. I was at one point in the camp as you are but have since flipped my thinking on it. I was away for a couple weeks and of course couldn't use my console. I stayed engaged through the app, in particular the marketplace and silver to gold pack exchanges. If it weren't for that I would not have finished Beltran collections. It's about immersion. Everyone on this forum is immersed in this game one way or another. Taking a point of immersion out of the game is probably not what the game needs right now. There are other ways that I have been very vocal about to rid the bots and changing the ToS is a huge step in the right direction towards that.
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The market is feeling pretty predictable today. All signs show the fix is in - human players are still being taking advantage of. The fred mcgriff card I referenced yesterday is down to 14k right now, the lowest I’ve ever seen it. All bids are instantly beat though. When the human quits trying outbid the bot, 2 more bids get placed by the bot to ensure humans can’t obtain the card at the low price if someone sells off multiple dupes at the same time.
Im so confused with this attempt to reclaim fair play and a gameplay environment where everyone is free from bullying and toxic gameplay blah blah blah blah blah. If by some chance I witness toxic whatever’s or cheating something or others I should immediately report it? It will be taken seriously? This extends to the marketplace? Yes? If so, kindly turn on any filters that block bots from using the marketplace. It is understood some humans may have trouble using the app while some fine tuning is done, but they will still be able to use the marketplace like everyone else that is not a bot on the console. Probably the website as well. So there shouldn’t be any conflict of providing an unfair gameplay experience to those jammed up with the app while settings get adjusted. Fair play. Anyone? Come on. -
Hi Guys, I’m new to flipping. Could someone explain to me why the app contributes to the overall bot/markeplace problem and why making transactions via console only is a solution? I’ve had success this season with the app although not very much the past few weeks. Flipping IMO is a necessary part of the game especially with the outrageous prices of some cards and transactional speed has at least given me a fighting chance. Thanks
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@PapaRick68_XBL The short answer is that the Bot's use an emulator to run the app on a PC. Since the app doesn't have the captcha like the website and is not cumbersome like the console when trying to place or modify lots of orders. It enables the bot to do so based on parameters that are set and do it in pretty much real time.
Psy
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@PsylockeSmythe_XBL Oh, Okay. Gotcha. Thank you
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Folks, this nonsense is precisely why real world trading venues, like the NY Stock Exchange, all feature tight control over the trading desk. Only a few highly regulated and vetted people are cleared to have access to the trading computers. Everyone else has to place a trade order, which is then ultimately processed by one of the relatively few people with that direct access to the trading computer.
SDS has created a monster where an unlimited number of people have direct access to the trading system. Corruption by a few people can cause chaos in the system. SDS was warned of the danger inherent in the PC-based app. But, like with just about everything else, the leadership at SDS thinks they have all the issues figured out and don't need to take heed to feedback given to them by their customers.
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@PapaRick68_XBL all of the above is correct. Flipping is definetly an important part of the game and these bots have spread to every card with profitable margins and they monitor everything 24/7. Whenever their position is outbid, they instantly outbid and undercut. When humans are actively using the app they are able to delete bids and rebid and be aggressive - which can be fun when going against other humans. But we can only be locked into 1, maybe 2 cards at the same time. Bots are monitoring and acting 24/7. It’s totally unfair, to say the least. On top of that, the funds gained this way are sold off to people using 3rd party websites to buy stubs for a fraction of the retail price and those stubs get transferred to those accounts through market manipulation - corrupting the market even further. For reasons unknown, it’s allowed to continue. So here we are, making noise, acting like Karens, repeating the obvious, in hopes that sds will see this outrage and realize it’s in their best interest and ours to activate filters they have in place to block bots and restore integrity to marketplace and the game.
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@Oliver230230230_PSN Thanks for your take, Oliver. I never experienced flipping back in the day but it’s obvious something is very wrong.
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@DrBear100_PSN I think it would be a great compromise to allow the app to display current prices and listings, but make the actual transactions only facilitated on the console. That way we can see the data on app, much easier and faster than navigating the console menus, but have to initialize the transaction on the console.
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Thanks,
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So disappointing… maybe tomorrow…
