Acount restricted back?
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@samguenther1987_PSN Except that it does hinder the bots, they run into the same restrictions as everyone else and can only do a few transactions every few minutes. Which is why the margins widen and the market has flowed better after an app update. It takes the bot makers a bit to do and push out adjustments.
Psy
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@samguenther1987_PSN Except that it does hinder the bots, they run into the same restrictions as everyone else and can only do a few transactions every few minutes. Which is why the margins widen and the market has flowed better after an app update. It takes the bot makers a bit to do and push out adjustments.
Psy
Not really. Margins are non-existent this morning with tons of orders that net tiny margins that no human would post, while actual humans are restricted. Bots are still finding a way while we're getting capped.
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@Gary-Hoggatt_PSN Just wait a few minutes, and it should work again for a few transactions. You just can't dump a ton of transactions on the market in a short amount of time any longer.
Psy
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@PsylockeSmythe_XBL there's no point in fighting the app for 4 orders every couple of minutes while bots have killed margins. There's no reason for a 4 order a minute cap on humans while bots are running rampant anyway.
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@Gary-Hoggatt_PSN I've not had any issues this morning selling my duplicates and most have been selling for way more than QS value. Granted I've only started working on my commons, but the sell prices haven't been close to the QS value like they have in the past.
I've not flipped cards in years and only sell my duplicates now, so how I look at the market, might not be how someone who flips cards looks at the market. So, for how I'm currently using it. The restrictions seem to be working, since I'm selling them for more than I would get selling them at their QS value.
Psy
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@PsylockeSmythe_XBL I'm a flipper. I sell new packed dupes on console when opening the pack. The point of the app for me is flipping.
I tried putting in orders for a common now instead of the diamonds I'd been trying, and still for restricted at 5 buy orders. Same as posting 5 diamond sell orders earlier.
The entire point of the app is interacting with the marketplace (minor features like squad management and face scan aside), and it's just not functioning at that at all right now for actual humans.
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I placed 4 orders yesterday and it was blocked. Awesome
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New record for me this morning. Placed 2 orders and now I'm blocked and restricted again. They are making it hard to defend them and want to play this game. Wtf are they doing
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@Gary-Hoggatt_PSN Trust me I understand.
It is just as I see it and I've posted the same thing in other threads, is that: a) they keep the app and remove the restrictions and the bots run the market, b) they keep the app, put transaction limits like now (4 transactions every few minutes), which makes things harder for the bots (won't remove then completely), but slows down everyone or c) remove the market from the app and website and make all market transactions have to be done via the console.
None of the above choices are great and each one has a major drawback that part of the player base will complain about being unfair or wrong, if it happens.
We are seeing it now. First, it was complaining that the bots are ruining the market and people can't place orders because the bots have taken over. Now it is people upset with the timeouts that do help control the bots, since they can't adjust or place unlimited orders in a short amount of time.
Just image what would happen if they make the market console only.
Psy
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A all time low. I place 1 order and acount restricted.... 1 order. Are you kidding SDS?
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@PsylockeSmythe_XBL going console only would kill flipping unless the console experience is greatly improved (not having to retype prices, being able to sort dupes, etc.).
Since the 20 order cap and the greatly reduced number of roster updates have already killed investing, killing flipping as well would be another nail in the NMS coffin.
What they need to do is figure out a way to stop bots that doesn't harm humans. But easier said than done. The market was fine from 2021-2025, I don't understand how bots got so bad in one year, but what do I know?
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I haven't checked this morning, but last night there were dozens of bronze cards that had 30 or 50 or 100 orders on them.
with the prices when I bought I thought I was gonna have another 100k day, by the time I went to sell (about 3 hours later) lots of cards had huge amounts on them and everything was 30 percent lower or more, a 100k day turned into a 20 k day that quick,
So much for getting Harper and having stubs for all-star. -
Just kill the app already.
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Since the 20 order cap and the greatly reduced number of roster updates have already killed investing, killing flipping as well would be another nail in the NMS coffin.
What they need to do is figure out a way to stop bots that doesn't harm humans. But easier said than done. The market was fine from 2021-2025, I don't understand how bots got so bad in one year, but what do I know?
So you know, I'm also a NMS player, besides buying the game and the Robinson pack, I don't spend any other money and earn my stubs by selling dups and the few you get playing offline.
For me, I flipped from 2021 to 2022, using the website. I didn't flip in 2023, as it was harder to find margins worth doing it. I then started using the app in 2024 to sell my duplicates. I feel the market started going down in 2024 when they started making changes to the QS values.
In my opinion the reason why the bots are a bigger issue this year is that the emulators being used to run the bots have gotten better. As the tech has improved, the ability of the bots to thrive has also improved.
I also agree that doing transactions on the console are a pain, but that might be the only solution.
Psy
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Hey folks,
Appreciate the updates from everyone here. It really helps us to have a sense of how things are feeling.
As I've said, we understand the frustration here and appreciate everyone's patience. The team is working hard every day to get things dialed in -- both from the development side and the support side.
Let's continue the dialog around the app and how it's feeling, as we continue to zero in on some optimum settings.
In the meantime, remember: if you've been mistakenly restricted or banned from the marketplace, reach out to the Support team and submit a ticket (only one). They'll get back to you ASAP.
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@Gary-Hoggatt_PSN Trust me I understand.
It is just as I see it and I've posted the same thing in other threads, is that: a) they keep the app and remove the restrictions and the bots run the market, b) they keep the app, put transaction limits like now (4 transactions every few minutes), which makes things harder for the bots (won't remove then completely), but slows down everyone or c) remove the market from the app and website and make all market transactions have to be done via the console.
None of the above choices are great and each one has a major drawback that part of the player base will complain about being unfair or wrong, if it happens.
We are seeing it now. First, it was complaining that the bots are ruining the market and people can't place orders because the bots have taken over. Now it is people upset with the timeouts that do help control the bots, since they can't adjust or place unlimited orders in a short amount of time.
Just image what would happen if they make the market console only.
Psy
The restrictions are okay as long as there is a consistent cool down time and consistent nimber of orders that can be placed. What bothers me is that you can get 5 sell orders in cool down for 30 seconds and afterwards you can get only 2 and then have to wait 2 minutes and then you can do 4 more and a have to wait a minute. There is no consistency. Maybe that has to be done by design. I think if there could be more consistency to where us honest humans can get used to then I think these complaints will go away....mostly.... at least 75% of the complaints.
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@DrBear100_PSN I agree that if the player base was told the rules on the cool down period, it would lower the number of complaints. The issue would be that the bot makers would then know how to program them to get around the restriction. With the restriction being random, it is harder for bots to avoid getting caught.
Psy
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The issue would be that the bot makers would then know how to program them to get around the restriction.
This is a big thing we have to consider here too, and it can make being as transparent as we'd like to be very tricky, just for the record.
Something good to keep in mind as we all work together to try and find the right balance.
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Once normal users put in a ticket, can’t you flag us as a responsible user? That way we won’t be restricted in the future. It’s not like any of us are going from normal to being a bot! Just flag us as users you can trust and let us use it normally.
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I just tested the following:
I placed 19 orders in the app for a 75 rated card.
I place my bid and hit the enter to submit it.
I then waited for the green banner at the top to go away (“order submitted”).
I then placed the next one. Again, waited.
Was able to place 19 orders with no issues. Took a minute or so, but got it done. HTH…..
