Stadiums and lack thereof in the minors
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my biggest complaint has always been that these games have been coming out for 1015 years now almost for for MLB. The shows it could’ve been longer but why after all those years and now with the ability of drones and 3-D rendering have we not gone to all 120 were in even in this case 90 minor league stadiums and scanned them digitally, rendering them into the computers and then going that route so when you play in your road to the show and you’re playing for the isotope, you’re literally playing in their AAA stadium or if you’re playing for one of the AA teams you’re literally playing in their stadium instead of generic here
generic stadiums. Enjoy you know they’ve done all the 3-D rendering all they have to do now for the MLB stadiums is just keep them up but we never get new real MLB stadiums. I played the Buffalo Bisons. I don’t get Coca-Cola field you know Rochester you don’t get the Kodak field you get some generic field off on the Mississippi river or some random capital building. They need to do better on that aspect. They make enough money off of these games to do the 3-D rendering of MLB or minor league stadiums. -
This has been a serious source of frustration for me and SDS for many years, really starting to develop when MLB 22 was released, and since then, the way this company has responded has just ramped up the frustration to a boiling point.
This right here is the prime reason why I refuse to purchase any more SDS products. Stadiums are such a key part of the game of baseball. More than for any other sport because in baseball, the rules allow for each stadium to feature a high degree of originality that can and does impact how games play out.
But, my anger was fueled because I was part of a group of customers that used to number in the hundreds -- people who urged SDS to put in a custom stadium build option in the game, and they finally did with MLB 21. It lacked lights for night games, but that was fixed with MLB 22. The "improvements" in MLB 23 were mostly tie-in's with movies and other video games and so bore zero relationship to building baseball parks.
MLB 24 saw one very nice prop addition with the Turn of the Century set, and that was the first time designers like myself were able to design stadiums from the past that started to look nice. If SDS ever added a few options and fixed a few issues, this community could have easily created highly accurate MiLB stadiums for them -- all for free. But, nope, SDS made it quite clear they didn't want even that.
So, I don't want them any longer! SDS turned their back on once dedicated customers like me, so I turned on them. People like you can ask nicely a million times and SDS still couldn't care less to do this. They won't put in the money and time to develop the minor league venues, and they won't upgrade Stadium Creator so that the customers can do it themselves.
And that combination is all anyone really needs to understand about how SDS operates.
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@PriorFir4383355_XBL Holy yap.
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I assume they have to pay for them and that wouldn’t be feasible if it took away from paying for retired players out of the same pot of money. The Hartford Yard Goats play at Dunkin Park. I don’t think Dunkin Donuts would let them use their name without some cash coming their way.
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I assume they have to pay for them and that wouldn’t be feasible if it took away from paying for retired players out of the same pot of money. The Hartford Yard Goats play at Dunkin Park. I don’t think Dunkin Donuts would let them use their name without some cash coming their way.
Gotta make sure the
donutcompany DunkinDonutsgets some cash. -
Most of these minor league teams are independently owned, so that would be double licensing fees- to the team and to the corp who has the naming rights.
SDS also clearly doesn't have the staffing levels that they could dedicate ppl to making stadiums. -
There is no licensing fee to make a stadium. There would be a license fee to use the trademarked ads and the stadium name itself. But, an exact copy of the stadium could be put into the game with zero licensing fees required. Yep, it won't feature the exact name as the real stadium, but is that really what makes the difference?
This debate has raged for years and I keep knocking it down with the hard facts each and every single time. For the umpteenth time, engineering designs for a stadium are NOT and never have been copyrighted, trademarked, or patented against use in a digital replication.
What ARE patented are the actual innovative construction methods should someone wish to use those patented engineering elements in the construction of another real world stadium. And in those cases, there would be royalties to be paid to the holder of the patent. And of course, if one wanted to use the trademarked logos or names, then fees would be paid for those.
The bedrock legal foundation for all patents, trademarks, wordmarks, and copyrights is that such designs once awarded these designations may not be copied and used in a directly competition enterprise.
This is precisely why there never will be any pursuit against SDS nor any individual designer for any renumerations for the creation of digital stadiums that are in the vault today. Not only because these stadiums in the vault are free, but because of the larger legal reality of how virtual designs are treated like photographs and paintings.
You, me, and anyone are free and clear to take photographs of any and all buildings, without any concerns of having to pay a fee for it, so long as those photos are taken from a publicly accessible vantage point. This includes buying a ticket and watching a game. What you cannot do is alter those images in a manner deemed derogatory to any actual corporation.
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Interesting facts, I did not know this.
They could do it if they didn't include and logos or other trademarked items, but that leads back to my second point, they don't have the staffing for it -
@PriorFir4383355_XBL PriorFir's mind: Blame SDS. I don't care if I make up things, I am correct and you are wrong.
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There is no licensing fee to make a stadium. There would be a license fee to use the trademarked ads and the stadium name itself. But, an exact copy of the stadium could be put into the game with zero licensing fees required. Yep, it won't feature the exact name as the real stadium, but is that really what makes the difference?
https://nationalintellectualpropertyauthority.com/architectural-works-copyright-protection/
Edit: it looks like 22 stadia can be reproduced without infringing upon IP but the other 100 or so would require a contract to avoid copyright infringement
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I agree. SDS does not have the staffing, money, or time for building the full gamut of MiLB stadiums. This again, is why three years ago I really pressed on communication a list of a half dozen items they could adopt in Stadium Creator, and we stadium designers would do it for them for free.
Nope, nada, wasn't interested.
There are few things more outrageous than when good people volunteer their free support to a corporation only to be bluntly told we don't want your help!
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@PriorFir4383355_XBL unfortunately it's more complex than that; they would open themselves up to possible litigation if they turned to the community for unpaid product development. It's the same reason that TV writers (for example) don't ask fans for ideas.
