Forget calling for heads for a second
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So I actually just thought about this… not to derail your thread but it’s definitely relevant what I’m about to say:
What the glitch exploiters did was way worse than ppl are realizing
They didn’t commit petty theft( gain a few free stubs or packs per se)
They sat in front of their console and monitor for hours on end to get as much as 2-4k standard packs and 100s of BIAH packs
That’s grand larceny
Also, the glitch exploiters made SDS change the fabric/DNA of their game
You can no longer grind the WBC mini szn. If this was your favorite mode to play it’s no longer playable… because instead of getting 10 standards and a BIAH pack for winning the championship. You now only get 1 stub bc that’s SDS’s current fix for the glitch
If after reading this you’re still questioning if people will be banned.. Just know they absolutely will be
Sorry, but extremism in language doesn't make your points any more valid.
There was zero actual value in this. We are dealing with virtual items, devoid of real value. Up front, I don't play DD so I don't care about the details of this so-called glitch. What I do care about is cheating versus exploiting a game weakness.
Cheating is when you add something never part of the game to fraud the outcome. Based on what I have read here, this glitch was present in the game code.
This is the difference between two real world baseball situations. What the Astros did in the World Series versus the Dodgers was cheating. Pounding on a plastic trash can from the dugout after looking on a TV at the catcher's pitch signals is cheating.
Bunting or taking an extra base because the defense has weak fielders or throwers is exploiting a weakness within the game. That's not cheating. That's the same as a runner at second looking at the indicator signs and figuring out the code and signaling back to the hitter. That isn't cheating. It is learning the opponents weaknesses within the confines of the game and exploiting those weaknesses. In this case, they are not taking anything from anyone since there is no finite cap at the number of cards players can earn.
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@PriorFir4383355_XBL I feel like even if you don’t play online DD players are going to have to interact with the market. This event caused millions of stubs to enter the market causing inflation on collection cards. Plus I imagine SDS’s content planning will change given so many people have every card in the game. Both of these things I think disadvantage people who did not rip thousands of packs this weekend
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I think the real damage is done to the players who purchased stubs. I'm also scratching my head at the lack of communication as there were players who won a WBC only to get one stub. Like, at least try to give your paying customers a heads up.
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Yes, i've seen so many saying they have 'fixed' the glitch.
They haven't, they've simply taken the rewards away, the glitch is still there.Sadly, the only people doing this hurts are the very people who actually need the packs, the people who didn't exploit and actually play the game as intended.
It's really poor because those who didn't break ToS are the ones being penalised, and it stinks.
I've barely played since this hit, because when i am playing offline, it was the WBC Mini Seasons i did, so my desire to play has fallen off a cliff. -
Exploiting is essentially cheating when a shared resource (SUCH AS A MARKET) is involved and it [censored] other players. I’m not sure why you’re thinking otherwise. Additionally, it caused a massive influx of cards to flood the market. On top of that, there are now people people sitting on millions of stubs… guess what’s gonna happen next big collection, the one after that, etc…
It wasn’t a one-off thing. It was something that will linger for a very long time.
Also to say it’s devoid of real value is kind of a joke. You can buy stubs from SDS… sure you can’t buy a sandwich down the street with stubs, but that’s not the point… wondering what the real issue is here? People who spent their hard earned money got thrown for a loop because some dweeb sat in front of their monitor for 2 hours gaining an unfair advantage over them. Whether it was in the game or not, doesn’t matter. It’s Essentially cheating.
When SDS ends up not doing anything, they will have no choice but to clean up their game. Because you better bet, 75% of the people that didn’t do it because of a fear of bans, will absolutely do it next time there’s a crazy glitch.
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You’re misinterpreting my statement
I’m not saying they actually committed grand larceny
I’m saying what they did.. the extent of manipulation, pack “stealing” is equivalent to grand larceny
Juxtaposed to someone that found a glitch and exploited it for say $1000 stubs which would be equivalent to petty theft
The extent of what they did and the valuation of what was gained is extreme… ppl getting up to 4,000 packs is CRAZY
And it changes the game
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This isn't a market. It is an SDS created sham, lacking entirely in real value, as well as having no resemblance to anything one can rightly call an economy. Value is inherently scarcity. This disposition of virtual trinkets has no actual limit other than what players can grind away.
You all are just angry because people grinded to get something you think you should have. That's envy -- not economics. No one took anything from any of you. You did not fail to earn any of these trinkets because someone took them since you still could have earned them if you achieved the goals involved.
SDS lazily left open an optional way to earn the trinkets and again you are all mad because you didn't figure it out in time to use it. People earning large numbers of these worthless virtual trinkets means nothing to me because I don't play any of these DD games. It should not mean anything to you all because you could still have earned any or all of them (or none of them) based on your understanding of how the game worked.
It was your understanding of how the game worked that was incomplete.
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I remember a couple years back don't remember the exact details where ATM's at a certain bank glitched out and was giving people more money then they were supposed to get and it got quickly exploited. The money had to be returned one way or another whether directly taken out of their accounts or by other means. The point I want to make is that was considered stealing no matter if it was the banks fault or not. Sure, there is no real world value but only to SDS and players who spent real world money on stubs. Now if SDS wanted to they could go and wipe clean the exploiters stubs and purchases they made and any collections they completed. I'm sure they know who figured out how to exploit the glitch and the streamers who advertised this. Those are ones that needs bans on. I'm talking permanent bans never to play this game again type bans. The monkey see monkey do guys wipe there accounts clean ban them for a month and start building back the trust of the community. Unfortunately what it cost the community, I would say somehow someway SDS probably turned profit on this whole mess. Nothing will be done, sadly.
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You don’t play DD, then come into the forum defending the exploit, where 95% of us in here were actively against it. Weird.
Some of us paid $60, some $100, for a game that was made by a AAA studio. Yes, we very much so expect the game to be complete.On top of this, we expect their so called sham of an economy, as you would say, to be complete, absent of anything that could manipulate it. Obviously, this year is just a terrible year for the market because of bots, cap limits, and now this.
To defend the exploit without playing DD is crazy. Respectfully, kick rocks.
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@PriorFir4383355_XBL it means something to the people who put money into the game and purchased stubs. Are you a moron bro? They absolutely did something to all of us. Whether its the people who grinded to accomplish goals or put money into the game. The pack glitchers didnt deserve it. End of story.
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You all are just angry because people grinded to get something you think you should have
Incorrect, at least in my case
I don't think I should have thousands of packs, or a million stubs or any collections completed.
I was trying to earn stubs to buy Ted Simmons. I watched the exploit push his price up from like 160k to 250k. The exploiters have added weeks if not months to my grind to earn enough stubs
That is why I am not happy about it. Plus I am never a fan of watching people get rewarded for breaking the rules, and exploiting a glitch is breaking the rules
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@Dolenz_PSN yeah, but the price is gonna come way down in a few days when they inevitably put out a flash sale.
The market will be back to normal pretty quickly...they'll do whatever needed to make it get back.
This doesnt mean you shouldn't be annoyed that the glitch happened, but I doubt its gonna have a huge impact in the longrun
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@rubicante23_PSN people are sitting on millions of stubs now. The next collection will be the most expensive one by far. The cheaters will pile in and buy all the cards needed for the collection, limiting available supply, and cause the prices to be high.
Look at how expensive the DQ and the event cards are for the vintage collection. By now they would both be around 12k.
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@DrBear100_PSN It was Chase, it wasn't a "glitch", it was check fraud, and MANY people went to prison over it. Idiots were depositing fake checks INTO THEIR OWN ACCOUNTS, exploiting the fact that Chase would instantly authorize for withdrawal up to 30k, and then withdrawing the money. It wasn't a glitch, it was working as intended, it just never occurred to Chase that a large number of people would commit felony check fraud using accounts in their own name, while on camera. Silly them.
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@mietha_PSN of you saw the videos it was the dumbest people in society doing it. They did it recently with klarna, calling it the klarna glitch... which was just identity theft.
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@DrBear100_PSN It was Chase, it wasn't a "glitch", it was check fraud, and MANY people went to prison over it. Idiots were depositing fake checks INTO THEIR OWN ACCOUNTS, exploiting the fact that Chase would instantly authorize for withdrawal up to 30k, and then withdrawing the money. It wasn't a glitch, it was working as intended, it just never occurred to Chase that a large number of people would commit felony check fraud using accounts in their own name, while on camera. Silly them.
Okay, I remember now. I stand corrected, I thought it had to do with atms. My bad.
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@DrBear100_PSN It was with ATMs. They would deposit the check in the ATM and then immediately withdraw the money.
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@go4stros25_PSN At least with the Klarna thing, while they were still on camera, unless someone recognized them, they likely got away with it, because they never used their real names. With Chase, they were on camera, in their own accounts. How on Earth a single person thought that they would get away with that, much less thousands of people, truly is a statement on our educational (or lack thereof) system.
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@mietha_PSN the klarna thing was worse imo becauze they were running up debt in other regular peoples name. Stealing 30k from chase bank doesnt hurt as much as taking out a 10k loan by using a random person identity.
Imagine being a single mom barely getting by on 50k/year and some person across the country takes out 10k in your name to buy jewelery amd clothes.
