Where are the TOP PROSPECTS??!!
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@stinkymcpooter_xbl Didn't they reveal in a stream the devices they use to do face scans?
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I think this entire issue could be solved if SDS just gave us all the scans they currently have at the first update. That way we’d know the reason we don’t have other players is because they don’t have a scan (whether it’s because they don’t want one or haven’t decided to do so.
The only real issue I have is, for example, Colt Emerson debuted for the Mariners last week. If he suddenly has a face scan/player model next week, then what does that say? Did he just go to SDS to get a scan or have they had it since Spring Training and held onto it. I only bring this hypothetical up because examples like this happen every year. The appearance that they have more scans than they release at launch is why I feel there’s confusion and frustration.
So…
-No one thinks players should be forced to do anything.
-But it is totally reasonable to ask that we have all the scans SDS has at the start of the season instead of new ones being slowly released throughout the year. Just my opinion, but it’s pretty brutal for people who want to have the most realistic franchise experience constantly having to restart.
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@bleachfro_mlbts And since Emerson has been garbage in his brief time in the majors. Do you think his main priority is to actually stick in Seattle or get his face scanned for a video game?
Another thing nobody ever considers is just cause they play baseball doesn’t mean they play video games or care they’re in a video game. Some of them could literally care less and unless they get extra money could be like no thank you.
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@dodgers19k88_mlbts There are literally morons who believe players with awful stats should have a face scan and if not, this game should be vaporized of the face of the earth.
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@SaveFarris_PSN this does not make sense. Image rights have been around long before the last few years.
And only recently has the technology been good enough to recreate accurate face scans on home video game systems. Here's what things looked like just a decade ago:
The technological improvements have necessitated a re-evaluation of player's NIL rights.
Again, this is not about forcing players to do things against their will or SDS doing something illegal, it's about SDS doing their job within the law, as they have done in years before, to hit the standard of product we expect from them, which they have done in the past.
You're literally demanding players do things against their will, which is illegal.
@inlu5twetru5t_xbl said
why do you keep referencing a case that is about amateur athletes from 2015?Because the case was about athletes not being compensated for their NIL rights when it came to appearing in video games without their express written consent. If you don't see how that's directly applicable, I don't know what to tell you.
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@savefarris_psn That looks like Altuve if he got crushed by a hydraulic press.
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@savefarris_psn That looks like Altuve if he got crushed by a hydraulic press.
Exactly. That's the best they could do in 2016 which is why they didn't need extra permissions back then. They do now thanks to the increased technological precision.
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@dodgers19k88_MLBTS Maybe im misunderstanding your reply. Nowhere did I imply a player’s ’priority’ should be a video game. Or anything about what a player should do. My post was about my opinion on what SDS should do (release all the scans they have as early as they can). Again, maybe I misunderstood your response, though.
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@dodgers19k88_MLBTS Maybe im misunderstanding your reply. Nowhere did I imply a player’s ’priority’ should be a video game. Or anything about what a player should do. My post was about my opinion on what SDS should do (release all the scans they have as early as they can). Again, maybe I misunderstood your response, though.
I disagree that they’re sitting on face scans until someone makes the majors. I don’t think he’s been scanned and asked you what he and any other never scanned prospect should focus on? Faces for a video game or their actual livelihood?
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@dodgers19k88_MLBTS Ok so I didn’t misunderstand your reply. What does a player’s focus have to do with anything in my post? My post was about SDS, not the players.
So you don’t think they’re sitting on scans. After today’s announcement of the next update, I’m more convinced that they actually are. Carson Benge’s facescan/ player model is being added. Soooo if he got scanned at Spring Training, they have been sitting on it. Or do you think he just flew over to SDS last week and got scanned? This was my whole point. Players are slowly added throughout the season instead of right away.
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@bleachfro_MLBTS Well, the Mets were in L.A. in early May and mid April. It's only a couple hours down the road. He could have gone down there in either road trip.
Just saying.
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@StinkyMcPooter_XBL He could have. But to say they’re not holding onto scans we’d have to believe that every single new scan added is from guys going to SDS in the middle of the season (American League too). Is that more likely than SDS sitting on scans from Spring Training to leak out throughout the season?
Like I said earlier, this could all be avoided if they just released everything they had on the first update. Then there’d be no more wondering. I think this is purely a Franchise frustration.
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I was hoping Draje Baldwin would be added.
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Okay, so after much Googling, I think I have an understanding of what's going on:
MiLB players, whilst members of the MLBPA, have their own CBA. The CBA for minor league players states that rights to the player's likeness etc., are owned by the player and any use of the player's likeness has to be negotiated with the player themselves.
When the player's contract is selected by a major league team, then their rights are handled by MLBPI.
So, what this boils down to is if a player has not appeared in a MLB game, SDS must work out a deal with them. Once the player has appeared in a game, then SDS can use an image or likeness of the player they have retained.
Thus, it is possible SDS has a trove of face scans they collected in spring training, but are unable to use them until the player is on a 26 man MLB roster.
I know this doesn't explain all the young players, but it does explain some of them.
EDIT: Sorry, replied to the wrong post.
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@bleachfro_MLBTS Well, the Mets were in L.A. in early May and mid April. It's only a couple hours down the road. He could have gone down there in either road trip.
Just saying.
And the Dodgers just played in San Diego. Alex Vesia was just updated.
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@StinkyMcPooter_XBL Thanks for looking into that. I think the 26 man roster used to feel like the only rule. A guy gets called up and boom, face scan on the next update. Now it just feels more random and I think that’s where it’s gotten frustrating.
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@mhenry23_PSN
This just isn't true. None of what you guys are arguing is actually based in fact. Sony has an agreement with MLBPA that automatically allows the game to use their name and likeness. The only way for a player to NOT have their likeness used is to fill out a giant OPT OUT form so they won't be used. So, it's completely the opposite of what you're all saying. And the only reason why a player would opt out of free marketing for themselves is if they wanted to gamble and negotiate for more money. Sony doesn't have to chase players around to get their faces scanned either. There's more than enough images of them already to get a decent rendering of their likeness. Motion captures are reserved for the elite players. That's why Sony hired a single guy to mimic most of the players batting stances and swings.
Stop pretending that they have this crazy legal battle where they have to chase players around and get their permission individually. It's just not true.The truth is that there are issues with Sony and the multiple play options available. The right hand doesn't sometimes know what the left hand is doing. That's why you get player cards in Diamond Dynasty but not in Road to the Show or Franchise.
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@BillyBB1133_PSN If you have read all the posts, you will see I have mentioned this several times.
SDS and the MLBPA do indeed have an agreement. SDS does indeed have the rights to the images and likenesses of the players.
What they don't have, is the right to drag any player into their offices and force them to submit to a face scan. The players must still willfully, of their own volition, take their physical bodies to where SDS conducts the scans and get them done.
If they don't have the face scan, they can either wait until the player submits to one, or use a cheesy pasted on picture and end up looking like that screen of Altuve that @savefarris_psn posted previously. They don't wish to do the latter. Therefore, they wait until they get a scan.
So, please, understand the difference between having the rights to their likeness and obtaining their likeness.
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@SaveFarris_PSN I am not demanding players do things against their will and I have never said that lmao that would imply every player who doesn't have a scan is refusing to be scanned, that is just an absurd idea lol there is nothing to negotiate here. There is a difference between general sentiment and the actual legal reality and rights of the players based on the contracts they are included in. That case does not apply to what we are talking about for many reasons, but mainly, their image/likeness rights are held by the MLBPA so this is already settled in contract. I have no problems with players refusing to get scanned if they don't want to (!), but there is no legal reason why they aren't getting scanned. If it's an issue of not having the time or care during the season (very understandable), that's on SDS to do better during spring training. That is all I'm saying lol
