HOW did get to a point where ONE LS card is 700K?
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We gotta get over this nonsense that a 20 cap limit is responsible for price increases. I flip, I invest and the 20 cap limit doesn't bother me one bit.
The people bothered by the 20 cap limit are the lazy who just want the ability to put in 100 buy/sell orders and let them sit. Essentially doing almost nothing to try and earn stubs. At least with the cap, people can't just leave their orders in place and drive down margins.
Additionally, SOMEONE needs to explain HOW a cap increases the cost of high value diamonds? I get people are upset but can we stop with the hyperbole please.
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@aaronjw76_PSN It doesn't stimulate the market, when cards are going for dirt cheap there is no incentive for people to rip chase bundles. This isn't a healthy economy right now.
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The notion that people arent ripping packs because there is slightly less value in bronzes and golds is beyond absurd.
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Well the 20 card max is feeding the inflated prices. Less cards being available combined with “only” being able to hold 20 is driving them up. Which is interesting because in theory, it should have been helping keep prices down.
You are just posting nonsense in hope that someone believes it.
Some guy on the internet said Shohei's price is because of the 20 card max, it must be true!
“In essence, capping how much someone can buy does not increase the actual supply. It simply changes who gets the product, often transferring it to the "highest bidder" in a secondary, more expensive market.”
It’s called “rationing”. It’s basic economics. Low supply + limit + high demand = higher prices. I’ve accepted the cap and it really doesn’t bother me, because I typically don’t finish the LS collection til later. It does bother me because I’m primarily NMS, so in that sense it hurts my ability to make the stubs in order to complete it, even with completing programs and getting stubs.
There’s also a chance that down the road the more positive side of the cap comes into play…
I wholly understand what SDS thought they were doing: “Limits can act as a substitute for price increases, allowing stores to manage inventory without raising prices during moderate shortages”, according to a simple summarized google search. Basically they were hoping it would have this affect on the in game market.
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@Teak2112_MLBTS I don’t think we can make any logical, evidence-based conclusion on why Ohtani’s price is so high. The 20 card limit is not a likely culprit at all. What we can do is see that the changes to card attainment and inventory have not brought his price down. It’s hard to go apples to apples at this point in the season because last year Ohtani’s price was artificially kept down with a stub cap for awhile. He doesn’t have one now and we see him climbing and climbing. I’m predicting 800k after the first ru or stub sale.
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@aaronjw76_PSN Why are people lazy for wanting the 20 cap gone? I invested heavily in the past and I can promise you the most effective way of building a ton of inventory wasn’t “set it and forget it”. I spent a ton of time following box scores and stats of real life baseball. Poured over the attributes in The Show and found discrepancies. And I played the game non-stop because of being off for health reasons and having to keep my head down for three straight weeks for 50 mins of every hour. (Placed a monitor below me and played inverted). Calling investors lazy is a stereotype in itself and shows laziness.
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@Teak2112_MLBTS I don’t think we can make any logical, evidence-based conclusion on why Ohtani’s price is so high.
100% agreed
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@Teak2112_MLBTS I don’t think we can make any logical, evidence-based conclusion on why Ohtani’s price is so high.
100% agreed
Even I’ll agree with this. Everything is speculative at best because it could be any number of things causing it.
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Again, straw-man argument, this is economics 101 in an OPEN market, this isn’t one!!!
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@Sarge1387_PSN Thank you because he doesn't seem to understand it.
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@Teak2112_MLBTS Actually it is, if you spend 75k and are recouping 25k at best there is almost zero incentive to rip. I've been playing this game for 10 years it's the worst I've ever seen the economy.
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@Teak2112_MLBTS Actually it is, if you spend 75k and are recouping 25k at best there is almost zero incentive to rip. I've been playing this game for 10 years it's the worst I've ever seen the economy.
You act like there is a 50% decrease in value across all the live series cards.
if its 25k now it would have been what, 26k last year?
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@Teak2112_MLBTS Point me to a year where the card prices have been so cheap it's not ever worth it? All they're doing is front flooding the market and then limiting the amount of selling. This isn't hard, this is basic economics 101.
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There are so many diamonds right now within shouting distance of QS and as cheap as they've ever been. I mean what could go wrong with less stubs and the same amount of card supply?
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@Teak2112_MLBTS Point me to a year where the card prices have been so cheap it's not ever worth it? All they're doing is front flooding the market and then limiting the amount of selling. This isn't hard, this is basic economics 101.
how can card prices so simultaneously so cheap and the LS collection being the most expensive to this time period any other year? It's 2.6M on the low end to get the LS done. Save for opening week, it didn't spike up being this high until the 500K cap got removed AND a stud sale occurred. I know because I finished around April 4th last year and my all-in cost was about 2.2M.
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@aaronjw76_PSN Because it's all predicated on or 2 cards holding up the entire market.
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@Teak2112_MLBTS Point me to a year where the card prices have been so cheap it's not ever worth it? All they're doing is front flooding the market and then limiting the amount of selling. This isn't hard, this is basic economics 101.
23-24 because it was 99's right put of the gate. Think ohtani was like 50k max those years
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It's nuts.
I've grinded my [censored] off, had one lucky pull (Ohtani), have more than 20 teams done and am still more than 1.3M stubs away from completing live series.As a full NMS guy, I know getting it done early is rare, but I have put all my resources into getting live series done and i'm still 1.3M stubs off.
That's just stupid.
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wait so the argument here is that people theoretically selling their cards for less is what is making cards more expensive?
Make it make sense please.
The prices on LS cards ,bronzes and silvers being low (what ppl pull from packs they earn) makes making stubs harder and actually does increase the value of rare cards.
That is only one of many factors involved in the high diamonds prices, another big one is for the such a very low pull rate to begin with- how many keep instead of selling because of how high the price is.IMO, the biggest factor in driving some of the LS diamond cards prices is the same as it was last year.
SDS, for the first time last year didn't flood the game with a bunch of 99OVR cards that could be earned by turning on the game. This has made some of those higher end diamonds more valuable in theory. There is no way an 88OVR card should be running 50K for one team while an 88OVR is 10K for another team.
In years past, one team would hold a "gatekeeper" card for the division like Ohtani for the NLW, or Judge for the NLE. These cards were expensive because they were the final step to completing the division. Now, there are several teams from each division holding these high value cards. ALC used to be the easiest to complete, but now Witt is 150K, Ramirez is 160K, Skubal is 100K, and on and on it goes. Its nuts! -
700k for a card that has a terrible swing. At least when Trout was a gatekeeper he was viable.
